The whole flat Earth/Sphere argument does not interest me at all--even though I have followed the thought and discussion about it. I have been as open-minded about it all as possible and can see many good points being made on every side. However, my own study of the basic structure of the Kingdom of God has produced entirely different conclusions.

On another forum dealing with time travel several years ago, we came up with entirely different conclusions that shocked us all. Among our group was a Jewish lady who was fluent in Hebrew, an aeronautical engineer working with space vehicles (and an expert in the 3x3 matrix of reality), and several others who were experts in their own fields of choice who added unique viewpoints on the subject at hand. The conclusion we all came up with after brainstorming was that the PRIMARY SHAPE of every object in space (including entire galaxies) was the TORUS. This also included the earth, moon, stars and a variety of other space objects.

The problems lie in PERCEPTION. Very few actually take the time to understand the BASICS--let alone the in-depth understanding of things we take for granted. For example, if we look at our Earth in geomagnetic terms instead of as a solid object (spherical OR flat) and follow the LINES of geomagnetism--it takes a toroid shape. Just as the COLORS of spatial objects in space are an illusion according to how we perceive them and portray them with our instruments, the shapes of the FORCES which surround them (invisible to our sight) are TOROID in appearance. When we take into consideration how our brains work when interpreting signals coming to it via our senses (rods and cones in the eye for example), our brain, ITSELF, arranges the signals in patterns which we can wrap our brains around. As amazing as our bodies and our senses are, they are severely limited in processing information which can take on many different shapes and forms.

Just as the fastest objects in space (light photons) can be shown to take a CURVED trajectory according to the mass of an object it is passing, (and totally fool our senses into thinking it is traveling in a straight line), many other similar influences fool us into thinking that the sky we look at is exactly how we see it or in the places that we see it. The ONLY way we can measure it is to capture the light, and that light may have gone through a whole SERIES of curved space before it ever gets to our instruments or our eyes. NOTHING may be as it appears--just as there are senses that we are not even aware of. An example of this is a young boy I had in my program. He had an INCREDIBLE defense mechanism that most of us would want nothing to do with. When he was in danger (as he often had been as an abused child) he could LITTERALLY bleed at will--from ears, nose, eyes; as much as a pint of blood at a time. No one even THOUGHT of hitting him when he did this. The poor kid was a basket case, but his survival instincts were amazing. Other kids had similar extreme survival "skills".

The universe and its inhabitants are far stranger than we can imagine. The toroidal shape is absolutely necessary to just navigate space. Just as someone here calls himself "swinging on spirals", we literally have to swing on spirals (the golden mean spiral) to navigate space. From the deep study of the Hebrew language, we determined that there is NO STRAIGHT LINE to any object in space. ALL space travel must be done in spirals--or more specifically, toroids. Unfortunately, science has not taken this into consideration as evidenced by their conclusion that a "wave" was headed towards us--instead of perceiving that this was a "river of space-time" and an actual pathway through space-time--just as we have jet streams above our planet and planes can take advantage of the differeing speeds of these jet streams and also how spacecraft take advantage of spin of planets to "slingshot" and increase speed to "escape velocity".

These "effects" are not just by-products of our universe. It was DESIGNED that way. Kudos to the flat earthers who have, at least, studied and made conclusions based on study. The same goes for the in-depth study of the round earth. There is massive information for all views--but there can only be ONE true view; and must contain ALL information--even the illusions. If we ever hope to navigate the stars, even the IMPOSSIBLE must be understood.

For those interested in the 3x3 matrix, Rainmantime has studied it in depth. As busy as he is as an engineering teacher, he is more than willing to share his information with all kinds of graphic representations. He can be Googled and that will take you to the site. I've been banned too many times by listing addresses.