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Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale

 
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Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
Idiot who started the other thread BANNED my ass!

Here's a reply that he for some strange reason did not want people to read:

2.) ALL Nickels 2014 and older
 Quoting: FN 5.7AP


The composition of nickels has not changed in many decades. It did not change in 2014. Nickels are cupro-nickel, 75% copper and 25% nickel, up to the present moment.

The way to do this is NOT to try to save individual nickels, onesy-twosy. Too much effort. Let the U.S. mint do the grunt work of accumulating, counting, rolling. Go to the bank and ask for a BOX of nickels, a mint box, containing 50 rolls of nickels (2000 nickels), neatly rolled and filling a box weighing 22 lbs. Cost: $100. Good investment. Buy multiple boxes. You can always take them back to the bank if necessary, whereas you cannot bring in large quantities of loose nickels.

You cannot do this with pennies since the pre-82s are not available anymore from banks. They ARE however available from portlandmint.com: 68 lb box, $100 face value (10,000 pennies), for $191 plus $16 shipping. Great deal. You can also buy a TON of pennies for about $5000, if you're that serious about it. All pre-82s, high copper content. They also sell nickels, though with a 12% premium over face value; might be worthwhile if your banks are out of nickels.

In other words: don't fool around. If you want to do this, DO IT. Not with loose pocket change, but by the box. Wholesale, not retail.

And one more thing: the value of these coins will never be in their melt value, but in their value in the event of dollar devaluation. If and when the dollar is devalued, likely that all dollars will lose value EXCEPT hard coins. Historically, in currency devaluations, coins are exempted because too difficult to re-do zillions of coin-operated machines. Your nickels could in that event wind up being worth a quarter or perhaps even a full dollar in today's purchasing power.

Nickels cannot be melted down for their metal, because (aside from the fact that it is illegal) too difficult to separate the nickel from the copper. Cupro-nickel is considered "contaminated" and unsuitable for melt. This could possibly change if, say, nickel value went to some wild high, much higher than today, hence making the costly separation worthwhile. But don't count on it. Probably won't happen, ever.

Also, in the event of a really hard crash/collapse (mad-max style), base metal coins could be very useful for local trade, in the absence of other media. Nickels would be great. Pre-82 pennies very good. And even post-82 pennies, which are 97% zinc, since zinc is not exactly cheap anymore. Spot price around $3500/ton, whereas copper is going for $10000/ton. Even the lowly post-82 penny could be useful for trade! Post-82 pennies can of course be bought at banks by the box, same as nickels, and it might not be a bad idea to have a few.
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Well, since banks hardly have cash to go around anymore, finding rolls or boxes of any coin is impossible where I live. All the stores are constantly trying to get coins from the banks...without success. This could be done years and years ago...now, not so sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75077370


Might be true at this point. It has been a few years since I got nickel boxes at banks. If unavailable at banks, go to portland mint and pay the 12% premium to get bulk nickels.

Mainly what I was saying is that the onesy-twosy stuff, collecting individual nickels, is not worth the effort. If you're going to do it, get thousands at a whack. The guy up thread who said you would need boxcars (or whatever) full to make it worthwhile was exaggerating, but the core point is true.

One tip I recall: ask the bank people when the mint delivers coins. Then show up on that day or the next.
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Re: Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
Post from page 7 of the other nickels thread:

You'd need a warehouse full of pennies and nickels to make any worthwhile money.

Even if nickel went up 10 times... you'd still need a shipping container full.
 Quoting: Luke The Duke


True in your limited understanding. However, in currency resets, coins are rarely, if ever, reset along with the paper currency because it's too expensive.

Here's what happens: Say you have $10,000 in bills and $100 in nickels. The currency gets devalued 100 to 1. New bills get printed and you turn in your $10,000 in paper for a nice crisp new-style $100 note. Your coins are still worth $100 - which is now equivalent to $10,000 pre-devaluation dollars.

Which is easier to save now - $10,000 in bills or $100 in rolls/jars?
 Quoting: Coming Soon


YES. This is what I was alluding to in my post. The paper money gets devalued, but the coins don't, and effectively they gain purchasing power -- maybe a LOT (like as much as 100X as this guy suggests). THAT is the value of accumulating coins, not for any hypothetical "melt value". Your coins (especially nickels) will never be melted for the metals therein. But they will be useful as money, and might gain purchasing power.

Consider buying bulk nickels from portland mint, if the bank cannot give them to you.
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Re: Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
NB: just checked portland mint and their prices have gone up! From just a couple months ago. They are now charging a 35% premium on nickels, which is a lot.

Are coins truly scarce and dwindling? Probably not. The "shortage" was caused by a temporary production slowdown at the mint in 2020, but that was more than compensated by increased production afterward. Then, there was slowing velocity of coins, i.e. people started holding on to them rather than spending them. That's the main factor and it might take many more months of increased production to catch up.
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My best guess is: wait a while for things to catch up, then go ask for boxes at the bank. Unless you think everything is going to go kerblooey over the next 4 months, with full-blown dollar collapse and etc. Which I suppose is possible.
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A HA:

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"The US Mint announced they will end production of the US Penny starting in 2023, citing the high cost of production and the penny's decreasing value."

I had not heard this until just now! What that means is that hoarding POST-82 pennies, as I mentioned in the OP, really might make cents... er, I mean SENSE. Haha. These would be good for post-collapse trade. They might wind up having purchasing power on the order of current dimes or even quarters. Again, boxes from the banks, if available.

Plus all the more reason to order the pre-82s from portland mint... which btw increased their prices on these pennies, to $240 for 10000. Yoiks. Well, everything is going up, so I guess it is to be expected. Still a great deal.
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It just occurred to me that if you had enough of these coins put by, (like say TONS of pennies from portland mint), you could do more than just trade for individual needs, in the event of a hard crash. You could become your new local/community BANK and trading hub. In a post-collapse world people would need money of some kind and coins (even crappy base metal coins like current zinc pennies) have long traditional use, easy recognizability, cannot (easily) be counterfeited, uniform content, etc.; i.e. they make good money. MONEY makes good money. Imagine that.
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better than paper money!

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Good job proving the other guy right OP

I won't call you a stupid fucker because you've done well with your thread.

If I am 'the boss' I can revalue US coins at whatever level I like, a nickle can be a quarter dollar whenever I say so.

And so it is a race against the lousy chinese counterfieters, in essence it is cheaper to mint a nickle than to print a dollar but at the end of the line people want integrity if not in the coins at least in the boss.
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Why thank you! Always wonderful to get hearty support.

What was the other guy right about? Saving onesy-twosies? I think not. Unless the value of your time and attention is really low.
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You are the dumbshit who does not research until he flounces to his own thread.

Be lame some more while we laugh at you.
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But
OP your core flouncepoiunt is true

Some OP bluenames are banning fa66ots.

But what do I mean in that turn of a phrase? Are they fa66ots who ban or do they ban the fa66ot?
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If enough people do it the face value of nickels will skyrocket and the government will take action. The trick is to start doing it now while it hasn't really gone viral yet.

Might as well. Going to start next week. Get a shoebox or two full of nickels.
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Anyway as OP has proven

the other dude was right

but also bitchy to ban OP.

So we all get smarter. OP here is the one who just told me that the penny will be gone in one year.

OP BLESS YOU AND YOUR RESEARCH
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Re: Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
I've been saving nickels for a decade. I've never purchased rolls (well, maybe a dozen or so) but I've saved every nickel I've come across for all that time.

The wife is very accommodation.
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If enough people do it the face value of nickels will skyrocket and the government will take action. The trick is to start doing it now while it hasn't really gone viral yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81707991


I bought my first box of nickels in the early oughts. I only have a half dozen or so boxes; should've bought more when it was easy.

Going viral starting now: 2 days ago Atlantic article about hoarding nickels!

Portland mint deal (+35% premium) is starting to look good, yikes.
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Re: Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
In theory, yes.

But if the value is only going to be worthwhile when things truly SHTF...

...by then nobody is going to be trading coins for scrap metal or currency.

Mad Max world wants food and weapons.
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Re: Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
In theory, yes.

But if the value is only going to be worthwhile when things truly SHTF...

...by then nobody is going to be trading coins for scrap metal or currency.

Mad Max world wants food and weapons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82468314


In a truly mad max world, yes. But do you really expect THAT hard of a crash? If so, rots of ruck because 99% of everyone would be unable to survive that world, even a lot of ppl who pride themselves on their preps. Personally I would not survive, therefore I never think about it; why bother? I'll prep for the scenarios that I COULD survive, which are much more likely anyway.

In almost all readily foreseeable and prep-able scenarios, ppl will need MONEY in some form or other. It is an ancient invention and very useful. :-)
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Re: Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale
There is 4 cents worth in nickel in a nickel as of 3/24/2022. I think there are better ways to invest in nickel.

1953-1981 canadian nickels are 100% nickel. That is 16 cents of nickel for each.





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