Nickels and Pennies: Hoarding Strategies, Rationale | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 03/20/2022 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Post from page 7 of the other nickels thread: You'd need a warehouse full of pennies and nickels to make any worthwhile money. Quoting: Luke The Duke Even if nickel went up 10 times... you'd still need a shipping container full. True in your limited understanding. However, in currency resets, coins are rarely, if ever, reset along with the paper currency because it's too expensive. Here's what happens: Say you have $10,000 in bills and $100 in nickels. The currency gets devalued 100 to 1. New bills get printed and you turn in your $10,000 in paper for a nice crisp new-style $100 note. Your coins are still worth $100 - which is now equivalent to $10,000 pre-devaluation dollars. Which is easier to save now - $10,000 in bills or $100 in rolls/jars? YES. This is what I was alluding to in my post. The paper money gets devalued, but the coins don't, and effectively they gain purchasing power -- maybe a LOT (like as much as 100X as this guy suggests). THAT is the value of accumulating coins, not for any hypothetical "melt value". Your coins (especially nickels) will never be melted for the metals therein. But they will be useful as money, and might gain purchasing power. Consider buying bulk nickels from portland mint, if the bank cannot give them to you. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 03/20/2022 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NB: just checked portland mint and their prices have gone up! From just a couple months ago. They are now charging a 35% premium on nickels, which is a lot. Are coins truly scarce and dwindling? Probably not. The "shortage" was caused by a temporary production slowdown at the mint in 2020, but that was more than compensated by increased production afterward. Then, there was slowing velocity of coins, i.e. people started holding on to them rather than spending them. That's the main factor and it might take many more months of increased production to catch up. [link to www.bankrate.com (secure)] My best guess is: wait a while for things to catch up, then go ask for boxes at the bank. Unless you think everything is going to go kerblooey over the next 4 months, with full-blown dollar collapse and etc. Which I suppose is possible. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 03/20/2022 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to cashmoneylife.com (secure)] "The US Mint announced they will end production of the US Penny starting in 2023, citing the high cost of production and the penny's decreasing value." I had not heard this until just now! What that means is that hoarding POST-82 pennies, as I mentioned in the OP, really might make cents... er, I mean SENSE. Haha. These would be good for post-collapse trade. They might wind up having purchasing power on the order of current dimes or even quarters. Again, boxes from the banks, if available. Plus all the more reason to order the pre-82s from portland mint... which btw increased their prices on these pennies, to $240 for 10000. Yoiks. Well, everything is going up, so I guess it is to be expected. Still a great deal. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 03/20/2022 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It just occurred to me that if you had enough of these coins put by, (like say TONS of pennies from portland mint), you could do more than just trade for individual needs, in the event of a hard crash. You could become your new local/community BANK and trading hub. In a post-collapse world people would need money of some kind and coins (even crappy base metal coins like current zinc pennies) have long traditional use, easy recognizability, cannot (easily) be counterfeited, uniform content, etc.; i.e. they make good money. MONEY makes good money. Imagine that. |
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Adolf Washington Goldberg User ID: 80002241 Germany 03/20/2022 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I won't call you a stupid fucker because you've done well with your thread. If I am 'the boss' I can revalue US coins at whatever level I like, a nickle can be a quarter dollar whenever I say so. And so it is a race against the lousy chinese counterfieters, in essence it is cheaper to mint a nickle than to print a dollar but at the end of the line people want integrity if not in the coins at least in the boss. |
Adolf Washington Goldberg User ID: 80002241 Germany 03/20/2022 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why thank you! Always wonderful to get hearty support. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4999903 What was the other guy right about? Saving onesy-twosies? I think not. Unless the value of your time and attention is really low. You are the dumbshit who does not research until he flounces to his own thread. Be lame some more while we laugh at you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81707991 United States 03/20/2022 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Might as well. Going to start next week. Get a shoebox or two full of nickels. |
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User ID: 80072683 United States 03/20/2022 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been saving nickels for a decade. I've never purchased rolls (well, maybe a dozen or so) but I've saved every nickel I've come across for all that time. The wife is very accommodation. Approaching the line "Be wary of mathematicians, particularly when they speak the truth." - Augustine I sign all my Karma Polymath supreme BTW.... Any grammatical errors (or incorrect words) are due to Spellcheck fucking hating me.....did you see, it auto fucking capitalism the word Spellcheck |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 03/20/2022 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If enough people do it the face value of nickels will skyrocket and the government will take action. The trick is to start doing it now while it hasn't really gone viral yet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81707991 I bought my first box of nickels in the early oughts. I only have a half dozen or so boxes; should've bought more when it was easy. Going viral starting now: 2 days ago Atlantic article about hoarding nickels! Portland mint deal (+35% premium) is starting to look good, yikes. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 03/20/2022 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In theory, yes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82468314 But if the value is only going to be worthwhile when things truly SHTF... ...by then nobody is going to be trading coins for scrap metal or currency. Mad Max world wants food and weapons. In a truly mad max world, yes. But do you really expect THAT hard of a crash? If so, rots of ruck because 99% of everyone would be unable to survive that world, even a lot of ppl who pride themselves on their preps. Personally I would not survive, therefore I never think about it; why bother? I'll prep for the scenarios that I COULD survive, which are much more likely anyway. In almost all readily foreseeable and prep-able scenarios, ppl will need MONEY in some form or other. It is an ancient invention and very useful. :-) |
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