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User ID: 8080014 United States 03/18/2022 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD bleach kills parasites and other nasties but it doesn't take chemicals out of the water. You should research what crap is in your city drinking water. I already have and that's why I'm not concerned enough to waste money on a Berky filter or a cobbled-together one using Colloidal Silver... which itself will become scarce when TSHTF. If you're that worried you'd be better off investing in a distilling unit [which I've actually done, but NOT for just water... if you catch my drift] since the components don't need replacing. But drink what you wish. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/18/2022 02:44 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80397047 United States 03/18/2022 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD bleach kills parasites and other nasties but it doesn't take chemicals out of the water. You should research what crap is in your city drinking water. what was the ratio again of unscented - 1 tsp per gallon? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82516494 France 03/18/2022 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a berkey and am very happy with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82432163 Glad I got it before the prices went through the roof, but this is a great inexpensive way to filter water for sure. What's so great about berkey, I heard a lot of bad stuff about berkey There's nothing bad about Berkey. I've used one since 2006. With well water, rain water and stream water. Every drop of our drinking and cooking water for all of those years has come through our Berkey (with super sterasyl filters) and we've never had a single problem. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74843488 United States 03/18/2022 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a berkey and am very happy with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82432163 Glad I got it before the prices went through the roof, but this is a great inexpensive way to filter water for sure. What's so great about berkey, I heard a lot of bad stuff about berkey There's nothing bad about Berkey. I've used one since 2006. With well water, rain water and stream water. Every drop of our drinking and cooking water for all of those years has come through our Berkey (with super sterasyl filters) and we've never had a single problem. I heard Berkey water tastes like rubber and there's mold |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 03/18/2022 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a berkey and am very happy with it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82432163 Glad I got it before the prices went through the roof, but this is a great inexpensive way to filter water for sure. What's so great about berkey, I heard a lot of bad stuff about berkey There's nothing bad about Berkey. I've used one since 2006. With well water, rain water and stream water. Every drop of our drinking and cooking water for all of those years has come through our Berkey (with super sterasyl filters) and we've never had a single problem. The glue which holds the Berkey filter together fails .. allowing unfiltered water through. It's been a known defect for years now. Don't waste good money on Berkey. They sell known defective filters. Use Sawyer products .. they don't require a filter and are back-washable. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 03/18/2022 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD This is to FILTER- not sterilize Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/18/2022 06:46 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80844975 United States 03/18/2022 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD This is to FILTER- not sterilize Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. You actually don't ever have to replace the filters on a berkey. Maybe the white ones but even then after like 10 years. The black ones you can just scrub a little and they're good as new. Spending $6-20 a month on bleach will definitely add up over those 10 years (~$2400 max). |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 03/18/2022 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD This is to FILTER- not sterilize Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. You actually don't ever have to replace the filters on a berkey. Maybe the white ones but even then after like 10 years. The black ones you can just scrub a little and they're good as new. Spending $6-20 a month on bleach will definitely add up over those 10 years (~$2400 max). What you claim about Berkey filter replacement is NOT what their website -and other users- state and it's simply idiotic to claim they last forever. And exactly how does one spend $20/month on bleach when a single gallon will purify over 3,000 gallons of water? The first rule in a crisis situation is to REDUCE your consumption and not try to match your previous comfort levels. And you Berkeyites are an especially demented bunch as you try to justify spending three hundred bucks for something you never really needed in the first place. So, you are missing several points here: 1. in a catastrophic situation you certainly won't have ready access to replacement filters, and even if you can find them they will be a black market item that will cost you dearly. And which will you buy first: a few life-sustaining meals or a new filter for your Berkey? 2. Both bottled and municipal water supplies will be limited if not totally absent. In that case you'll be glad to discover a ditch full of filthy water that your precious Berkey won't touch unless you can cobble together some way of running it through the system. That's why filter straws were invented, which have a much shorter effective lifespan than standard filters. 3. History has repeatedly proven that in a widespread crisis the majority of initial deaths do not occur from starvation or dehydration but from disease and pestilence, most frequently from drinking bacteria-laden water or from direct contact with that same bacteria from everyday surfaces and that plus poor personal sanitation is a deadly combination. And again: your Berkey or Brita won't do squat in those circumstances if you don't have regular access to even stagnant water in the first place. But, bleach WILL since in addition to the pathogens I mentioned earlier, it also kills those that cause Cholera, Typhoid Fever, Dysentery and Legionnaire's disease not only in liquids but also on surfaces- important since the latter can spread them faster than the former. 4. And if you are planning on maintaining your comfy status quo for even two years -let alone ten- you are as delusional as those who waste their money buying overpriced "survival" food with a 25-year shelf life... because you'll be dead long before that timeframe if everything crashes to the point where it'll be needed. Those long expiration dates have ALWAYS been nothing more than a scam to sucker in people who have little perception of what reality will be like. Take if from a prepper of over 20 years experience and learn to think OUTSIDE the box... or your clever little filter cartridge. EDIT:One final thing... plan on looking hard to find a full gallon of bottled bleach because last year ago the industry started to make them smaller; gallons went down to 121-ounces and 96-oz bottles have now appeared to replace those. At the same time, the percentages of Sodium Hypochlorite were reduced. Both higher-potency 8.25% and 6% are now getting harder to find with 4% already becoming more common among cheaper brands. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/18/2022 09:53 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80844975 United States 03/18/2022 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. You actually don't ever have to replace the filters on a berkey. Maybe the white ones but even then after like 10 years. The black ones you can just scrub a little and they're good as new. Spending $6-20 a month on bleach will definitely add up over those 10 years (~$2400 max). What you claim about Berkey filter replacement is NOT what their website -and other users- state and it's simply idiotic to claim they last forever. And exactly how does one spend $20/month on bleach when a single gallon will purify over 3,000 gallons of water? The first rule in a crisis situation is to REDUCE your consumption and not try to match your previous comfort levels. And you Berkeyites are an especially demented bunch as you try to justify spending three hundred bucks for something you never really needed in the first place. So, you are missing several points here: 1. in a catastrophic situation you certainly won't have ready access to replacement filters, and even if you can find them they will be a black market item that will cost you dearly. And which will you buy first: a few life-sustaining meals or a new filter for your Berkey? 2. Both bottled and municipal water supplies will be limited if not totally absent. In that case you'll be glad to discover a ditch full of filthy water that your precious Berkey won't touch unless you can cobble together some way of running it through the system. That's why filter straws were invented, which have a much shorter effective lifespan than standard filters. 3. History has repeatedly proven that in a widespread crisis the majority of initial deaths do not occur from starvation or dehydration but from disease and pestilence, most frequently from drinking bacteria-laden water or from direct contact with that same bacteria from everyday surfaces and that plus poor personal sanitation is a deadly combination. And again: your Berkey or Brita won't do squat in those circumstances if you don't have regular access to even stagnant water in the first place. But, bleach WILL since in addition to the pathogens I mentioned earlier, it also kills those that cause Cholera, Typhoid Fever, Dysentery and Legionnaire's disease not only in liquids but also on surfaces- important since the latter can spread them faster than the former. 4. And if you are planning on maintaining your comfy status quo for even two years -let alone ten- you are as delusional as those who waste their money buying overpriced "survival" food with a 25-year shelf life... because you'll be dead long before that timeframe if everything crashes to the point where it'll be needed. Those long expiration dates have ALWAYS been nothing more than a scam to sucker in people who have little perception of what reality will be like. Take if from a prepper of over 20 years experience and learn to think OUTSIDE the box... or your clever little filter cartridge. EDIT:One final thing... plan on looking hard to find a full gallon of bottled bleach because last year ago the industry started to make them smaller; gallons went down to 121-ounces and 96-oz bottles have now appeared to replace those. At the same time, the percentages of Sodium Hypochlorite were reduced. Both higher-potency 8.25% and 6% are now getting harder to find with 4% already becoming more common among cheaper brands. Nah its true. Berkey's are over engineered to be more reliable. The filters really do last forever, especially the black ones. The white ones might need to be replaced after 4-8 years. But drinking bleach is not a smart idea for the long term, you have to realize that, right? Even if it won't kill you it will damage your blood vessels and give you inflammation and arteriosclerosis. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79044425 United States 03/18/2022 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few years ago, I had a project with preppers to make low cost filtration systems.....we placed a large order of replacement Berkey filter candles and fabricated the nesting pots with spigot at my workshop.... It was a fun project.....everyone went home with a Berkey system they help build at a fraction of the cost..... |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 03/18/2022 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GSB/LTD Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. You actually don't ever have to replace the filters on a berkey. Maybe the white ones but even then after like 10 years. The black ones you can just scrub a little and they're good as new. Spending $6-20 a month on bleach will definitely add up over those 10 years (~$2400 max). What you claim about Berkey filter replacement is NOT what their website -and other users- state and it's simply idiotic to claim they last forever. And exactly how does one spend $20/month on bleach when a single gallon will purify over 3,000 gallons of water? The first rule in a crisis situation is to REDUCE your consumption and not try to match your previous comfort levels. And you Berkeyites are an especially demented bunch as you try to justify spending three hundred bucks for something you never really needed in the first place. So, you are missing several points here: 1. in a catastrophic situation you certainly won't have ready access to replacement filters, and even if you can find them they will be a black market item that will cost you dearly. And which will you buy first: a few life-sustaining meals or a new filter for your Berkey? 2. Both bottled and municipal water supplies will be limited if not totally absent. In that case you'll be glad to discover a ditch full of filthy water that your precious Berkey won't touch unless you can cobble together some way of running it through the system. That's why filter straws were invented, which have a much shorter effective lifespan than standard filters. 3. History has repeatedly proven that in a widespread crisis the majority of initial deaths do not occur from starvation or dehydration but from disease and pestilence, most frequently from drinking bacteria-laden water or from direct contact with that same bacteria from everyday surfaces and that plus poor personal sanitation is a deadly combination. And again: your Berkey or Brita won't do squat in those circumstances if you don't have regular access to even stagnant water in the first place. But, bleach WILL since in addition to the pathogens I mentioned earlier, it also kills those that cause Cholera, Typhoid Fever, Dysentery and Legionnaire's disease not only in liquids but also on surfaces- important since the latter can spread them faster than the former. 4. And if you are planning on maintaining your comfy status quo for even two years -let alone ten- you are as delusional as those who waste their money buying overpriced "survival" food with a 25-year shelf life... because you'll be dead long before that timeframe if everything crashes to the point where it'll be needed. Those long expiration dates have ALWAYS been nothing more than a scam to sucker in people who have little perception of what reality will be like. Take if from a prepper of over 20 years experience and learn to think OUTSIDE the box... or your clever little filter cartridge. EDIT:One final thing... plan on looking hard to find a full gallon of bottled bleach because last year ago the industry started to make them smaller; gallons went down to 121-ounces and 96-oz bottles have now appeared to replace those. At the same time, the percentages of Sodium Hypochlorite were reduced. Both higher-potency 8.25% and 6% are now getting harder to find with 4% already becoming more common among cheaper brands. Nah its true. Berkey's are over engineered to be more reliable. The filters really do last forever, especially the black ones. The white ones might need to be replaced after 4-8 years. But drinking bleach is not a smart idea for the long term, you have to realize that, right? Even if it won't kill you it will damage your blood vessels and give you inflammation and arteriosclerosis. Stop twisting my words because I never suggested anyone "drink bleach." And if you believe that when used properly it is harmful to your health, then you'd better stop drinking water from a municipal supply or swimming in any pool because both utilize Chlorination technology for purification. As I said above, you Berkeyites are a dedicated but seriously deluded bunch. BTW: I'm over 71 and recall the first Fluoride wars where local commission meetings turned into slug fests over its addition to city water supplies...and there are many places where that debates still rages on today. People said emphatically you'd die a horrible death from drinking fluoridated water but stats quickly proved them totally wrong and out of this was borne the water-filtration industry. I actually grew up in the 50's drinking mostly bottled or filtered water. My family lived out in "the sticks" where we had a 150' well in the backyard; the water table was so low they had to dig that deeply to find any at all and even then it was so full of Calcium and Magnesium that if it dried on your skin it'd leave a gritty residue. All soap except Ivory would instantly curdle when washing [to this day I detest Ivory soap!] and although legally drinkable, you really didn't want to. Consequently my parents had pure spring water delivered in four five-gallon glass jugs every week and we had a cooler like you'd normally find in an office in our kitchen. For sanitation purposes my Dad installed a 75-gallon water softener in the pump room that cleaned up what surfaced from the well. Every week he'd have to drain it and add fresh 25-pound bags of Salt and softening compound so they could work their magic on that "hard" water. The vats themselves [there were two: a brine tank and a softening tank] had recirculating pumps that constantly aerated the water to increase oxygenation and de-mineralize it as it passed through the system. So yeah: I've been there, done that when it comes to water purification! Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/18/2022 10:39 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80557266 United States 03/18/2022 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tried other brands and came to a realization. If you use something other than tap (treated) water to run through candle filters, your filters will clog, from particulate and bacteria growth. You can scrub and back-flush, but only if you have water pressure.. but even then, what you're doing is upsetting the filter structure thus releasing contaminated media into your drip tank. I like OP's d.i.y. or R.O. or a distiller To hell with expensive soon-to-fail filters if you can help it. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 03/18/2022 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Went through years of Berkey glue failure and swore them off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80557266 Tried other brands and came to a realization. If you use something other than tap (treated) water to run through candle filters, your filters will clog, from particulate and bacteria growth. You can scrub and back-flush, but only if you have water pressure.. but even then, what you're doing is upsetting the filter structure thus releasing contaminated media into your drip tank. I like OP's d.i.y. or R.O. or a distiller To hell with expensive soon-to-fail filters if you can help it. That's why I bought my 3-gal distiller. It'll not only crank out absolutely pure drinking water [about 1-liter/hour], but when the SHTF what do you think most people are really gonna' want? A little simple applied Chemistry and a bucket full of sour mash can go a long way in that case! As I said: I'm an experienced prepper... Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/18/2022 10:47 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81801363 United States 03/18/2022 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD This is to FILTER- not sterilize Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. Bro you’re actually retarded lol And I don’t throw that around often I typically reserve it for arrogant people who have no clue what they are talking about. Purification is making something pure, removing contaminants. Sterilization kills something, making it sterile Bleach cannot remove chemicals from water. It might sterilize 99% bacteria, but it sure as hell is not going to remove lead or flouride Distillation attempts to purify, by separating components based on boiling point. It is not perfect due to nano particles/highly bonded chemicals, but it will remove 80-90% of contaminants easily. If you are doing water, it acts as a purifier and sterilization method, since it’s both removing particles and killing bacteria |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80085534 United States 03/18/2022 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Went through years of Berkey glue failure and swore them off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80557266 Tried other brands and came to a realization. If you use something other than tap (treated) water to run through candle filters, your filters will clog, from particulate and bacteria growth. You can scrub and back-flush, but only if you have water pressure.. but even then, what you're doing is upsetting the filter structure thus releasing contaminated media into your drip tank. I like OP's d.i.y. or R.O. or a distiller To hell with expensive soon-to-fail filters if you can help it. Make natural sand/loamy filter.. Some bleach.. Boil the shit.. Unless of course..those cyanotoxins scare you. Dun dun dun n Or quit bitching and be thankful you have water |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80085534 United States 03/18/2022 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Went through years of Berkey glue failure and swore them off. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80557266 Tried other brands and came to a realization. If you use something other than tap (treated) water to run through candle filters, your filters will clog, from particulate and bacteria growth. You can scrub and back-flush, but only if you have water pressure.. but even then, what you're doing is upsetting the filter structure thus releasing contaminated media into your drip tank. I like OP's d.i.y. or R.O. or a distiller To hell with expensive soon-to-fail filters if you can help it. Make natural sand/loamy filter.. Some bleach.. Boil the shit.. Unless of course..those cyanotoxins scare you. Dun dun dun n Or quit bitching and be thankful you have water Not you... Don't know why I replied to you except I agree filters get clogged |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81057956 United States 03/18/2022 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80844975 You actually don't ever have to replace the filters on a berkey. Maybe the white ones but even then after like 10 years. The black ones you can just scrub a little and they're good as new. Spending $6-20 a month on bleach will definitely add up over those 10 years (~$2400 max). What you claim about Berkey filter replacement is NOT what their website -and other users- state and it's simply idiotic to claim they last forever. And exactly how does one spend $20/month on bleach when a single gallon will purify over 3,000 gallons of water? The first rule in a crisis situation is to REDUCE your consumption and not try to match your previous comfort levels. And you Berkeyites are an especially demented bunch as you try to justify spending three hundred bucks for something you never really needed in the first place. So, you are missing several points here: 1. in a catastrophic situation you certainly won't have ready access to replacement filters, and even if you can find them they will be a black market item that will cost you dearly. And which will you buy first: a few life-sustaining meals or a new filter for your Berkey? 2. Both bottled and municipal water supplies will be limited if not totally absent. In that case you'll be glad to discover a ditch full of filthy water that your precious Berkey won't touch unless you can cobble together some way of running it through the system. That's why filter straws were invented, which have a much shorter effective lifespan than standard filters. 3. History has repeatedly proven that in a widespread crisis the majority of initial deaths do not occur from starvation or dehydration but from disease and pestilence, most frequently from drinking bacteria-laden water or from direct contact with that same bacteria from everyday surfaces and that plus poor personal sanitation is a deadly combination. And again: your Berkey or Brita won't do squat in those circumstances if you don't have regular access to even stagnant water in the first place. But, bleach WILL since in addition to the pathogens I mentioned earlier, it also kills those that cause Cholera, Typhoid Fever, Dysentery and Legionnaire's disease not only in liquids but also on surfaces- important since the latter can spread them faster than the former. 4. And if you are planning on maintaining your comfy status quo for even two years -let alone ten- you are as delusional as those who waste their money buying overpriced "survival" food with a 25-year shelf life... because you'll be dead long before that timeframe if everything crashes to the point where it'll be needed. Those long expiration dates have ALWAYS been nothing more than a scam to sucker in people who have little perception of what reality will be like. Take if from a prepper of over 20 years experience and learn to think OUTSIDE the box... or your clever little filter cartridge. EDIT:One final thing... plan on looking hard to find a full gallon of bottled bleach because last year ago the industry started to make them smaller; gallons went down to 121-ounces and 96-oz bottles have now appeared to replace those. At the same time, the percentages of Sodium Hypochlorite were reduced. Both higher-potency 8.25% and 6% are now getting harder to find with 4% already becoming more common among cheaper brands. Nah its true. Berkey's are over engineered to be more reliable. The filters really do last forever, especially the black ones. The white ones might need to be replaced after 4-8 years. But drinking bleach is not a smart idea for the long term, you have to realize that, right? Even if it won't kill you it will damage your blood vessels and give you inflammation and arteriosclerosis. Stop twisting my words because I never suggested anyone "drink bleach." And if you believe that when used properly it is harmful to your health, then you'd better stop drinking water from a municipal supply or swimming in any pool because both utilize Chlorination technology for purification. As I said above, you Berkeyites are a dedicated but seriously deluded bunch. BTW: I'm over 71 and recall the first Fluoride wars where local commission meetings turned into slug fests over its addition to city water supplies...and there are many places where that debates still rages on today. People said emphatically you'd die a horrible death from drinking fluoridated water but stats quickly proved them totally wrong and out of this was borne the water-filtration industry. I actually grew up in the 50's drinking mostly bottled or filtered water. My family lived out in "the sticks" where we had a 150' well in the backyard; the water table was so low they had to dig that deeply to find any at all and even then it was so full of Calcium and Magnesium that if it dried on your skin it'd leave a gritty residue. All soap except Ivory would instantly curdle when washing [to this day I detest Ivory soap!] and although legally drinkable, you really didn't want to. Consequently my parents had pure spring water delivered in four five-gallon glass jugs every week and we had a cooler like you'd normally find in an office in our kitchen. For sanitation purposes my Dad installed a 75-gallon water softener in the pump room that cleaned up what surfaced from the well. Every week he'd have to drain it and add fresh 25-pound bags of Salt and softening compound so they could work their magic on that "hard" water. The vats themselves [there were two: a brine tank and a softening tank] had recirculating pumps that constantly aerated the water to increase oxygenation and de-mineralize it as it passed through the system. So yeah: I've been there, done that when it comes to water purification! Uhh that's why I use a berkey genius because it takes that chlorine shit out of the water and yes I never swim in pools for that reason, you're not very bright are you? Aren't you paying attention to the thread? And I'm not twisting your words, are you not advocating putting drops of bleach in your drinking water? That's drinking bleach, learn how to read! I can't believe there are still idiots defending fluoridated water. Go read a book you moron |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81057956 United States 03/18/2022 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD This is to FILTER- not sterilize Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. Bro you’re actually retarded lol And I don’t throw that around often I typically reserve it for arrogant people who have no clue what they are talking about. Purification is making something pure, removing contaminants. Sterilization kills something, making it sterile Bleach cannot remove chemicals from water. It might sterilize 99% bacteria, but it sure as hell is not going to remove lead or flouride Distillation attempts to purify, by separating components based on boiling point. It is not perfect due to nano particles/highly bonded chemicals, but it will remove 80-90% of contaminants easily. If you are doing water, it acts as a purifier and sterilization method, since it’s both removing particles and killing bacteria The best, cheapest and easiest way to remove contaminants from water is through gravity filtration and contact with physical media. That's Berkey. Bleach can't compare as a solution |
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User ID: 8080014 United States 03/18/2022 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chlorine bleach is cheaper and has worked pretty well since 1892, but go ahead and waste your money. Quoting: GSB/LTD This is to FILTER- not sterilize Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. Bro you’re actually retarded lol And I don’t throw that around often I typically reserve it for arrogant people who have no clue what they are talking about. Purification is making something pure, removing contaminants. Sterilization kills something, making it sterile Bleach cannot remove chemicals from water. It might sterilize 99% bacteria, but it sure as hell is not going to remove lead or flouride Distillation attempts to purify, by separating components based on boiling point. It is not perfect due to nano particles/highly bonded chemicals, but it will remove 80-90% of contaminants easily. If you are doing water, it acts as a purifier and sterilization method, since it’s both removing particles and killing bacteria Sorry, but you're flatly wrong that bleach won't neutralize Fluoride, because it DOES... and yes, it will do the same to some chemical compounds. Nevertheless you actually don't want all trace minerals removed since your body does require them in small quantities; that's why you shouldn't drink distilled water as your sole source of hydration. If you want absolutely pure water distillation is the way to go, but just make sure you also have some mineral supplements on hand to counter the deficiencies. Try again telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and keep shelling out those bucks for filter cartridges that will quickly vanish in a SHTF scenario, which is what this thread it all about. BTW: Lead as a contaminant is not a concern if using municipal water supplies because significant content is illegal under federal law that dictates only 15 parts per billion is allowed. And if you have a well dug on your property most states hold you to the same EPA standards. But as I've already stated twice: spend your money however you wish, but just know there are several alternative routes to purchasing a $300+ Berkey filtration system. I'll stick with 6% bleach and my distiller for the multiple reasons already stated. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/18/2022 11:14 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81071363 United States 03/18/2022 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Preppers are all about water filters. Me too. Have a couple. Found this quite by accident today and was impressed with the method and especially the cost. Quoting: Kamchatka I'm not going to ditch my Berkey-type filter with ceramic/anti-fluoride filters, but I will invest in the materials to build one of these. The filtering medium is a non-fired ceramic flower pot treated with colloidal silver and an anti-bacterial wood plug. I like this way better than the 5-gallon bucket models, but I'll have to test the resulting water before rendering final judgement. Distillation is easier and safer and it cogenerates heat and some degree of light as well which is often desirable. No matter how many filters you buy or make eventually you will run out or plug them up and have no more to purchase. Not to mention you have no idea of whether your home-made filter flower pots made in some polluted 3rd world shithole are contaminated with some toxic substances that can leach out with use. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81081700 United States 03/18/2022 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. Bro you’re actually retarded lol And I don’t throw that around often I typically reserve it for arrogant people who have no clue what they are talking about. Purification is making something pure, removing contaminants. Sterilization kills something, making it sterile Bleach cannot remove chemicals from water. It might sterilize 99% bacteria, but it sure as hell is not going to remove lead or flouride Distillation attempts to purify, by separating components based on boiling point. It is not perfect due to nano particles/highly bonded chemicals, but it will remove 80-90% of contaminants easily. If you are doing water, it acts as a purifier and sterilization method, since it’s both removing particles and killing bacteria Sorry, but you're flatly wrong that bleach won't neutralize Fluoride, because it DOES... and yes, it will do the same to some chemical compounds. Nevertheless you actually don't want all trace minerals removed since your body does require them in small quantities; that's why you shouldn't drink distilled water as your sole source of hydration. If you want absolutely pure water distillation is the way to go, but just make sure you also have some mineral supplements on hand to counter the deficiencies. Try again telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and keep shelling out those bucks for filter cartridges that will quickly vanish in a SHTF scenario, which is what this thread it all about. BTW: Lead as a contaminant is not a concern if using municipal water supplies because significant content is illegal under federal law that dictates only 15 parts per billion is allowed. And if you have a well dug on your property most states hold you to the same EPA standards. But as I've already stated twice: spend your money however you wish, but just know there are several alternative routes to purchasing a $300+ Berkey filtration system. I'll stick with 6% bleach and my distiller for the multiple reasons already stated. First distillation produces essentially pure water as long as it's not polluted with chemicals with the same temperature of evaporation. Second, the finer the filter the sooner and easier it gets plugged up and useless. Berkey is not intended to filter anything but treated municipal water, and if you try to filter anything with any particular contaminants it will plug up almost immediately and become useless. Lastly there's nothing fucking wrong or unhealthy with drinking distilled water as your major source of dietary minerals is FOOD that you eat, not water. Lack of mineralized water is a complete non-issue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81057956 United States 03/18/2022 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GSB/LTD Actually, the purpose is to produce potable water from some that is potentially tainted - which is precisely what Bleach does. And you're misusing the word "sterilize" because Bleach actually purifies. The DISTILLATION process sterilizes. Now then: for the more intelligent soul who asked, the ratio of plain 6% bleach to one gallon of non-potable water is 8 drops. There are 20 drops per ml of liquid; this means that a single gallon of common bleach can potentially purify 3,785 gallons of water. A 6% disinfecting gallon of brand name bleach such as Clorox currently sells for around $6. In contrast, even a low-end Berkey filtering water bottle system will cost you closer to $50 while full filter systems run well over $300... and then you have to replace the inner filter every 2-5 years... and where will you get THOSE when TSHTF, even IF you can still afford them? And while Brita filters are considered about the bottom of the barrel where water filters are concerned, even their basic fridge pitchers cost over twenty bucks. SO, DO THE MATH! And here's something else NO water filter -including the overpriced, over-hyped Berkey- can match: in addition to killing bacteria in water, common bleach also kills 99.9% of all surface household germs/bacteria including both Noro and Corona viruses, Influenza strains, MRSA, E. coli and Salmonella. But it's your money so spend it however you wish. Bro you’re actually retarded lol And I don’t throw that around often I typically reserve it for arrogant people who have no clue what they are talking about. Purification is making something pure, removing contaminants. Sterilization kills something, making it sterile Bleach cannot remove chemicals from water. It might sterilize 99% bacteria, but it sure as hell is not going to remove lead or flouride Distillation attempts to purify, by separating components based on boiling point. It is not perfect due to nano particles/highly bonded chemicals, but it will remove 80-90% of contaminants easily. If you are doing water, it acts as a purifier and sterilization method, since it’s both removing particles and killing bacteria Sorry, but you're flatly wrong that bleach won't neutralize Fluoride, because it DOES... and yes, it will do the same to some chemical compounds. Nevertheless you actually don't want all trace minerals removed since your body does require them in small quantities; that's why you shouldn't drink distilled water as your sole source of hydration. If you want absolutely pure water distillation is the way to go, but just make sure you also have some mineral supplements on hand to counter the deficiencies. Try again telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and keep shelling out those bucks for filter cartridges that will quickly vanish in a SHTF scenario, which is what this thread it all about. BTW: Lead as a contaminant is not a concern if using municipal water supplies because significant content is illegal under federal law that dictates only 15 parts per billion is allowed. And if you have a well dug on your property most states hold you to the same EPA standards. But as I've already stated twice: spend your money however you wish, but just know there are several alternative routes to purchasing a $300+ Berkey filtration system. I'll stick with 6% bleach and my distiller for the multiple reasons already stated. First distillation produces essentially pure water as long as it's not polluted with chemicals with the same temperature of evaporation. Second, the finer the filter the sooner and easier it gets plugged up and useless. Berkey is not intended to filter anything but treated municipal water, and if you try to filter anything with any particular contaminants it will plug up almost immediately and become useless. Lastly there's nothing fucking wrong or unhealthy with drinking distilled water as your major source of dietary minerals is FOOD that you eat, not water. Lack of mineralized water is a complete non-issue. I think you replied to the wrong guy, he's against Berkey as a filtration solution too |