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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79353159 Denmark 03/09/2022 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This shit just further demonstrates that Biden, the USA, and NATO are paper tigers. We won't do shit. We'll sit on our hands because our empire is collapsing. Quoting: BlackIrishKnight Fiddle! Fiddle! Fiddle! Sure levin, you neocon, whatever you say. Again! Not for this fucking war! I'm pointing out the fact that we're an empire in fucking decline. Like Russia, like Britain, like Spain and soon, China. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77079815 United States 03/09/2022 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All this does is prove the Biden administration speaker of the house and the vast majority Democrats are fucking cowards who are scared to piss off Putin instead of standing up to his ass like a fucking man. Or worse they’re in leagues with him. Miss Trump yet. Quoting: redhed6971 Vlad has all the dirt on the children of Joe, Nancy, Horseface, and Mittens who took "no show" jobs at Ukrainian gas companies. Wonder how many other kids of Congress members or cabinet people held similar *cough* positions? Why not release it then? Whats holding him back? Because with their vast might, all NATO and the US have managed to do is cancel Russian Netflix and Mastercard. Vlad is a professional strategist. He bides his time, waiting for the right target at the right moment. |
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User ID: 77416429 United States 03/09/2022 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At least this administration isn't as incompetent as we all think it is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73227346 Yeah, I thought they would be dumb enough to blunder into WW3, especially with their woketard slaves cheering it on, and saying dumb shit like “Who cares about nukes?” Thankfully, they aren’t as dumb as them Give em time..... Ask Alice when she's 10ft tall This is a battle for the future of civilization. If free speech is lost even in America, tyranny is all that lies ahead. Elon Musk |
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User ID: 77416429 United States 03/09/2022 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: FeedYourHead She'll blow it. That's probably what it say on her business card. I'm certain there will be threats of face sitting if they don't comply.... Ask Alice when she's 10ft tall This is a battle for the future of civilization. If free speech is lost even in America, tyranny is all that lies ahead. Elon Musk |
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User ID: 71860689 United States 03/09/2022 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NATO wanted Poland to get involved and they don't want to. They even know it is NATO and the USA pushing for this war. Russia probably a little eager to show it's force, since they do have a security treaty with Saudia Aradia now and the USA has pulled out of the region for the most part. Which is bad, because Nixon took us off the Gold Standard and put us on the Petro dollar. If we don't have Petro to back our currency then we basically have a useless currency as the rest of the world figures this out. Which is why we are racing towards green energy ready or not. Canada is also sitting on a huge oil reserve that is bigger than Saudi Arabia's, But Prime Minister, Trudum, is being paid off by the Chinses and the Saudis to not develop it. It would be a boom to the US economy more so than Canada, who would only be pumping it out and sending it one to be refined in warmer climates. Poland tried to send their old planes strip of their countries flag to the US NATO air base in Germany. Then their idea was that US/ NATO fighter pilots to fly the old junk instead of Polish pilots. They were all for receiving new equipment form the US, but had no planes to use new equipment in warfare with Russia. The poles are not as stupid as people like to make them out to be. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74628864 United States 03/09/2022 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The whole Poland Plane (hot) Potato from the Potatus's people is a deliberate attempt to breakdown NATO alliances. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74628864 A proxy war with Russia is a risky business and even Brandon knows that.... hopefully If that were true, then don't you think they'd view it as irresponsible for Kirby to put that out there publicly? It would seem that they've been doing everything in their power to get us into a direct conflagration with Russia, while cutting off resources to the west and their allies (diverting them to China), and making decisions and statements that have the tendency of undermining military moral and confidence in previous alliances. Is it risky, when those doing it think that the outcome is predetermined, and are seeking to impose permanent damage, while securing themselves a seat at the new table with their complicity? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82260959 Poland 03/09/2022 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We welcome millions of refugees and we arm Ukraine in various ways but everybody knows that its not about any old MIGs at all, but about drawing Poland into the war without having to comply with Art. 5 NATO. This is why the USA and all NATO do not want to hand over these planes on its own behalf. Thats it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78227109 United States 03/09/2022 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wrote in another thread about this yesterday. You don't just take planes. (Ones we don't even fly to boot) Quoting: Starbird You would need not only pilots familiar and trained on the weapons platform. Maybe we have a few at flight schools. But the bigger issue is planes need entire support operations, maintenance, supply, special tools specific, as well as technicians able to work on the end item. My unit went from A10s to F15s - it took months of training, preparation, retooling etc. You don't just say - here - take our Migs. This is a show of hand that the Polish do not intend to use their MANPOWER in this theater. Every Ukranian fighter pilot is familiar with the older Mig systems, they have been flying them for decades, that's why they were offered them. They can literally hop in them and use under 24 hours. The entire support structure is still there from a few Ukranian air bases, so not sure what you are going on about. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78227109 United States 03/09/2022 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NATO wanted Poland to get involved and they don't want to. They even know it is NATO and the USA pushing for this war. Quoting: God Fearing Atheist Russia probably a little eager to show it's force, since they do have a security treaty with Saudia Aradia now and the USA has pulled out of the region for the most part. Which is bad, because Nixon took us off the Gold Standard and put us on the Petro dollar. If we don't have Petro to back our currency then we basically have a useless currency as the rest of the world figures this out. Which is why we are racing towards green energy ready or not. Canada is also sitting on a huge oil reserve that is bigger than Saudi Arabia's, But Prime Minister, Trudum, is being paid off by the Chinses and the Saudis to not develop it. It would be a boom to the US economy more so than Canada, who would only be pumping it out and sending it one to be refined in warmer climates. Poland tried to send their old planes strip of their countries flag to the US NATO air base in Germany. Then their idea was that US/ NATO fighter pilots to fly the old junk instead of Polish pilots. They were all for receiving new equipment form the US, but had no planes to use new equipment in warfare with Russia. The poles are not as stupid as people like to make them out to be. The polish offered to give the planes to Ukranian fighter pilots, since they are familiar with the Mig system...and asked if the US would supply Poland F-16s in place of the Migs. Not sure what is so complex about that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82260959 Poland 03/09/2022 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wrote in another thread about this yesterday. You don't just take planes. (Ones we don't even fly to boot) Quoting: Starbird You would need not only pilots familiar and trained on the weapons platform. Maybe we have a few at flight schools. But the bigger issue is planes need entire support operations, maintenance, supply, special tools specific, as well as technicians able to work on the end item. My unit went from A10s to F15s - it took months of training, preparation, retooling etc. You don't just say - here - take our Migs. This is a show of hand that the Polish do not intend to use their MANPOWER in this theater. Every Ukranian fighter pilot is familiar with the older Mig systems, they have been flying them for decades, that's why they were offered them. They can literally hop in them and use under 24 hours. The entire support structure is still there from a few Ukranian air bases, so not sure what you are going on about. No, these MIGs have been significantly modified over the years to NATO standards and Ukrainian pilots cannot hop in them and use them in few hours. They need at least 3 months. |
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User ID: 80319462 United States 03/09/2022 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This shit just further demonstrates that Biden, the USA, and NATO are paper tigers. We won't do shit. We'll sit on our hands because our empire is collapsing. Quoting: BlackIrishKnight Fiddle! Fiddle! Fiddle! You get out their and fight if you’re so tough, it’s not our problem to deal with. ‘It’s an inter family squabble. Putin is taking out the trash in one of his satellite nations. Good on him. Agreed with the first part of your statement. I got no dog in this fight and we don’t need another endless war. “When you want to find out who is behind something, just follow the money. Look at the trades made just before 9/11. These are the guys that knew what was coming. The sons of CIA agents, government officials. Close relatives of the most powerful men in America. Cheney, Rumsfeld. They all got rich.” |
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User ID: 80319462 United States 03/09/2022 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We were gonna let Poland send planes to the ukies then when Russia attacked Poland we were going to pretend they were an American citizen trapped in Afghanistan and walk away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343232 This. Then there would be every excuse in the book NOT to come to Poland’s aid-including blaming Poland for starting WW3. And the brain-washed sheep here would believe it. “When you want to find out who is behind something, just follow the money. Look at the trades made just before 9/11. These are the guys that knew what was coming. The sons of CIA agents, government officials. Close relatives of the most powerful men in America. Cheney, Rumsfeld. They all got rich.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82260959 Poland 03/09/2022 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We were gonna let Poland send planes to the ukies then when Russia attacked Poland we were going to pretend they were an American citizen trapped in Afghanistan and walk away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79343232 This. Then there would be every excuse in the book NOT to come to Poland’s aid-including blaming Poland for starting WW3. And the brain-washed sheep here would believe it. THIS. Thats why we either act as a whole NATO or we do not act at all. Russia looks like a weak fact, but no one wants to risk being pushed out alone. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74570155 United States 03/09/2022 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This shit just further demonstrates that Biden, the USA, and NATO are paper tigers. We won't do shit. We'll sit on our hands because our empire is collapsing. Quoting: BlackIrishKnight Fiddle! Fiddle! Fiddle! Sure levin, you neocon, whatever you say. You keep on believing the NATO lie. NATO is is like the town bully. Not sure I follow you. NATO, EU, UN, etc. are nothing but deep state globohomo organizations and levin is nothing but a neocon pushing that agenda. |
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User ID: 76911027 Ireland 03/09/2022 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interpretation - Biden wants to use Poland as pawns. Let them get blitzed by the Russians, while the US sits back and says nothing to do with us. Civilisation is at a crossroads "Unfortunately the Barbarians dwell among us and our country is grown so weak and pathetic that the Barbarians must be appeased in the name of diversity and cultural sensitivity" ~ Allison Pearson |