I'm ready to quit the rat race and move to some rural land

Take some courses or watch videos/read books and learn Permaculture.

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Permaculture — from permanent and agriculture — is an integrated design philosophy that encompasses gardening, architecture, horticulture, ecology, even money management and community design. The basic approach is to create sustainable systems that provide for their own needs and recycle their waste.

Bill Mollison
Bill Mollison
Mollison developed permaculture after spending decades in the rainforests and deserts of Australia studying ecosystems. He observed that plants naturally group themselves in mutually beneficial communities. He used this idea to develop a different approach to agriculture and community design, one that seeks to place the right elements together so they sustain and support each other.

Today his ideas have spread and taken root in almost every country on the globe. Permaculture is now being practiced in the rainforests of South America, in the Kalahari desert, in the arctic north of Scandinavia, and in communities all over North America. In New Mexico, for example, farmers have used permaculture to transform hard-packed dirt lots into lush gardens and tree orchards without using any heavy machinery. In Davis, California, one community uses bath and laundry water to flush toilets and irrigate gardens. In Toronto, a team of architects has created a design for an urban infill house that doesn't tap into city water or sewage infrastructure and that costs only a few hundred dollars a year to operate.

While Mollison is still unknown to most Americans, he is a national icon down under. He has been named Australia’s "Man of the Year" and in 1981 he received the prestigious Right Livelihood Award, also known as the Alternative Nobel Prize, for his work developing and promoting permaculture.

I sat down with him to discuss his innovative design philosophy. We met over the course of two afternoons in Santa Barbara in conjunction with an intensive two-week course he teaches each year in Ojai. A short, round man with a white beard and a big smile, he is one of the most affable and good-natured people I’ve met. An inveterate raconteur, he seems to have a story — or a bad joke — for every occasion. His comments are often rounded out by a hearty and infectious laugh.



Scott London: A reviewer once described your teachings as "seditious."

Bill Mollison: Yes, it was very perceptive. I teach self-reliance, the world's most subversive practice. I teach people how to grow their own food, which is shockingly subversive. So, yes, it’s seditious. But it’s peaceful sedition.
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sure, but the time to do that was like a year or two ago

everything in the country went up about 100k in one move and with much less to pick from now being the main sore spot but good luck

You're too late.

Time to do this was 2 years ago. There is no lumber or builders. There is no property for sale that would suit this goal now, only people selling to do the same thing.

Thanks for that. I used to have a large garden, chickens and foraged for food and game. My buddy has a large bunch of burned trees on his land from a recent fire and a log mill.

Depends where, I'm thinking about going back to southern Oregon, prices are actually down for land at the moment!

not far enough

unless you believe the anomaly created that mini drought

Don’t do it….! I mean it. Don’t leave your flowers in your hair, free love, can ski and serf all in the same day atmosphere. We here in the free states can smell your kind. And it ain’t going to be pretty. We are free and we are going to keep it that way.

I live in California as well, currently in San Diego.

Wife and I have been talking about moving also. I own a company, so I would likely have to shut it all down and sell it off.

To be honest, I daydream about getting the fuck out of this place often.

Most of the people here are crazy. I need to get out of here...anywhere but here.

Contrary to what is typically heard about the people in California...please know there are a lot of patriotic, God fearing Americans that feel the same way I do.

Where are you thinking of moving to?

If you vote, vote red.

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Seriously...in a 'few' years you can be way 'overproducing' and figuring out to do with excess.

I guess as long as you stay in California ot sounds like a great idea. There is a ton of great land in the state

So you don't shop wat Walmart for anything then? Where might this Utopia be exactly? Ditched your corner gas stations/marts and ousted your grocery stores. Bravo!

I feel the same way, Most likely heading back to southern Oregon. Taxes are low, land is cheap and people leave you alone.

California isn't sustainable. Taxes, gas, truck registration, pretty much everything is very expensive. I'm done.

Too late now if you haven't already. Too late to build, and too late to buy. Everyone we know with a homestead is dug in and not selling...

There are too many Knickgrowes and they have destroyed every large city within the US!!!!! (Along with schools, the place you grew up, neighborhoods, public events, public transportation, restaurants, etc etc etc etc)


WHY DOES THIS CONTINUE???

You might still find a good place.

Look for water first.

Also, look for old cabins. The best places were settled first.

The pioneers looked for where the Indians lived. They had centuries to figure out the best places based on water, food and security.

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I don't believe it is ever too late. If you can handle harsh winters, there are plenty of secluded, rural areas that would meet expectations for a suitable homestead. Plus, far cheaper than what would be found on the West Coast.

I do think the farther north you go, the better. Mostly because it is more rural, and you have less political and ethnic strife.

Still, even up North, you can still have problems with criminality. Rural areas were hit hard by the opioid crisis, and there are dangerous criminal elements in very rural areas - namely, meth labs. So you have to be careful wherever you go, but I think far north and rural is the safest bet for security, peace of mind, independence, and homesteading.

WOMEN DONT TALK LIKE THIS.

Take this design
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And keep extrapolating out.