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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paradigm #1 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 Trinity: Mind -> Father Heart -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> Good Angels Paradigm #2 Kingdom of Heaven/Glorified Body of Christ: Mind -> Father Visible Head -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> All saved humans Heart -> Queen of Heaven Paradigm #3 Mystical Body of Christ: Mind -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Visible Head -> Bishop of Rome/Magesterium Body -> All those believers in the Eucharist who have entered(and stayed)... Heart -> Humble Lady from Nazareth Paradigm #4 Human: Mind Soul Heart Body wtf?? why noy just lay out what went down and let the chips fall where they may? humans dont do well with subtlty and nuance |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So yes to answer the question, Mary, the humble Lady from Nazereth is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Heart of the Mystical Body of Christ. And Christ is the King of Heaven but the Invisible Mind of the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Father is the Visible Mind of the Kingdom of Heaven. So to get to the Kingdom of Heaven the Father draws you through uncreated grace, to believe and receive Jesus Christ literally into your soul, and the Holy Ghost proceeding from Jesus Christ in your soul illuminates your mind to give your heart to Jesus Christ(who is inside your soul), which crowns and delivers the King to the Upper Kingdom, and your soul, which is a supernatural land becomes a piece of the Kingdom of Heaven. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paradigm #1 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 Trinity: Mind -> Father Heart -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> Good Angels Paradigm #2 Kingdom of Heaven/Glorified Body of Christ: Mind -> Father Visible Head -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> All saved humans Heart -> Queen of Heaven Paradigm #3 Mystical Body of Christ: Mind -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Visible Head -> Bishop of Rome/Magesterium Body -> All those believers in the Eucharist who have entered(and stayed)... Heart -> Humble Lady from Nazareth Paradigm #4 Human: Mind Soul Heart Body wtf?? why noy just lay out what went down and let the chips fall where they may? humans dont do well with subtlty and nuance To optimize the quality of the saved. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So yes to answer the question, Mary, the humble Lady from Nazereth is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Heart of the Mystical Body of Christ. And Christ is the King of Heaven but the Invisible Mind of the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Father is the Visible Mind of the Kingdom of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 So to get to the Kingdom of Heaven the Father draws you through uncreated grace, to believe and receive Jesus Christ literally into your soul, and the Holy Ghost proceeding from Jesus Christ in your soul illuminates your mind to give your heart to Jesus Christ(who is inside your soul), which crowns and delivers the King to the Upper Kingdom, and your soul, which is a supernatural land becomes a piece of the Kingdom of Heaven. where did this come from? Seriously, did you just make it up? The bible? the internet? Upper kingdom? How many kingdoms are there? I have zero idea what this means |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So yes to answer the question, Mary, the humble Lady from Nazereth is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Heart of the Mystical Body of Christ. And Christ is the King of Heaven but the Invisible Mind of the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Father is the Visible Mind of the Kingdom of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 So to get to the Kingdom of Heaven the Father draws you through uncreated grace, to believe and receive Jesus Christ literally into your soul, and the Holy Ghost proceeding from Jesus Christ in your soul illuminates your mind to give your heart to Jesus Christ(who is inside your soul), which crowns and delivers the King to the Upper Kingdom, and your soul, which is a supernatural land becomes a piece of the Kingdom of Heaven. where did this come from? Seriously, did you just make it up? The bible? the internet? Upper kingdom? How many kingdoms are there? I have zero idea what this means 2 Kingdoms, Lower(Hell) and Upper(Kingdom of Heaven) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay any more questions, the Catholics are busy setting up reunion plans with the Orthodox which will turn the world upside down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 Don't know what this is about either. Anyway, I was raised hard core catholic then dropped out for 30 years because the church stood for nothing I believed in. Then a few months ago I found a local church doing the tridentine (latin) mass, which I found interesting. Then the current popo decreed no more latin mass...it was backwards and the provinance of stupid immigrants etc. Now youre saying they are doing some type of corporate merger with those old bearded dudes? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paradigm #1 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 Trinity: Mind -> Father Heart -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> Good Angels Paradigm #2 Kingdom of Heaven/Glorified Body of Christ: Mind -> Father Visible Head -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> All saved humans Heart -> Queen of Heaven Paradigm #3 Mystical Body of Christ: Mind -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Visible Head -> Bishop of Rome/Magesterium Body -> All those believers in the Eucharist who have entered(and stayed)... Heart -> Humble Lady from Nazareth Paradigm #4 Human: Mind Soul Heart Body wtf?? why noy just lay out what went down and let the chips fall where they may? humans dont do well with subtlty and nuance To optimize the quality of the saved. SO there are degrees of being saved? Like the masons have 33 degrees? Whats the difference between the lowest and highest state of being saved? Wow...this keeps getting more convoluted |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So yes to answer the question, Mary, the humble Lady from Nazereth is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Heart of the Mystical Body of Christ. And Christ is the King of Heaven but the Invisible Mind of the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Father is the Visible Mind of the Kingdom of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 So to get to the Kingdom of Heaven the Father draws you through uncreated grace, to believe and receive Jesus Christ literally into your soul, and the Holy Ghost proceeding from Jesus Christ in your soul illuminates your mind to give your heart to Jesus Christ(who is inside your soul), which crowns and delivers the King to the Upper Kingdom, and your soul, which is a supernatural land becomes a piece of the Kingdom of Heaven. where did this come from? Seriously, did you just make it up? The bible? the internet? Upper kingdom? How many kingdoms are there? I have zero idea what this means 2 Kingdoms, Lower(Hell) and Upper(Kingdom of Heaven) hell is a kingdom? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917934 United States 01/20/2022 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD waited for centuries and centuries for the birth of Christ Jesus since Adam, to get creation right again, without satan's interference. at just the right time. The birth of Christ Jesus was the greatest event to ever happen to us. Without Adam and Eve procreating themselves, like all the others, and the animals, Mary and Jo were pure, so GOD could create Christ, GOD's Crowning of Creation. GOD'S original plan for us, without having to ever suffer and die. So, it would have been Heaven on Earth, and Mary, an example, whose Fruit of Thy Womb, was GOD'S Creation, not man's and woman's. The way GOD wanted us to create us as REAL kings and queens, in Christ, on Earth, not the phony ones, in History. Mary still remains the only one, the only true Queen of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46960637 no this god did not. :NOT GOD: Adam and eve came 38000 years ago.. You have never been told who Adam and eve were... but God did not make them... they were not the first people on earth. The earth was populated 1 million years ago even. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay any more questions, the Catholics are busy setting up reunion plans with the Orthodox which will turn the world upside down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 Don't know what this is about either. Anyway, I was raised hard core catholic then dropped out for 30 years because the church stood for nothing I believed in. Then a few months ago I found a local church doing the tridentine (latin) mass, which I found interesting. Then the current popo decreed no more latin mass...it was backwards and the provinance of stupid immigrants etc. Now youre saying they are doing some type of corporate merger with those old bearded dudes? Constantinople already fell Rome could fall June 13, 2029 An asteroid could warn of this exactly 2 months prior and then Russia shall be diverted to a Holy Mission And the French King shall ride once again, but this time with the banner of Christ the King Yes we are merging and if the Orthodox refuse[which they wont] their Eucharist will deemed invalid. This is the last opportunity but it will not fail. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917934 United States 01/20/2022 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81918683 1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN? 2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church. 3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage. 4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct? I could go on and on, but let's start wit that. Thanks The Roman Catholic Church worships the divine feminine as "Mary the Queen of Heaven" Joseph and Mary had children together after she bore Jesus. wow...didn't know that. How many and what were their names? That must have been weird when one of the kids was sired by god and the rest some unemployed carpenter. Jesus probably was taunted at an early age because of this Book of James towards end of New Testament is the only book besides Revelation that I feel almost 100% is legitimate and it was Jesus brother I do believe. and James was the favorite brother of Jesus. there were 8 more children after Jesus.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paradigm #1 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 Trinity: Mind -> Father Heart -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> Good Angels Paradigm #2 Kingdom of Heaven/Glorified Body of Christ: Mind -> Father Visible Head -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Body -> All saved humans Heart -> Queen of Heaven Paradigm #3 Mystical Body of Christ: Mind -> Jesus Christ Soul -> Holy Ghost Visible Head -> Bishop of Rome/Magesterium Body -> All those believers in the Eucharist who have entered(and stayed)... Heart -> Humble Lady from Nazareth Paradigm #4 Human: Mind Soul Heart Body wtf?? why noy just lay out what went down and let the chips fall where they may? humans dont do well with subtlty and nuance To optimize the quality of the saved. SO there are degrees of being saved? Like the masons have 33 degrees? Whats the difference between the lowest and highest state of being saved? Wow...this keeps getting more convoluted Either way you will be singing 'And Ive got the golden ticket in my Heart' |
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User ID: 75923721 United States 01/20/2022 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD waited for centuries and centuries for the birth of Christ Jesus since Adam, to get creation right again, without satan's interference. at just the right time. The birth of Christ Jesus was the greatest event to ever happen to us. Without Adam and Eve procreating themselves, like all the others, and the animals, Mary and Jo were pure, so GOD could create Christ, GOD's Crowning of Creation. GOD'S original plan for us, without having to ever suffer and die. So, it would have been Heaven on Earth, and Mary, an example, whose Fruit of Thy Womb, was GOD'S Creation, not man's and woman's. The way GOD wanted us to create us as REAL kings and queens, in Christ, on Earth, not the phony ones, in History. Mary still remains the only one, the only true Queen of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46960637 no this god did not. Adam and eve came 38000 years ago.. You have never been told who Adam and eve were... but God did not make them... they were not the first people on earth. The earth was populated 1 million years ago even. again you are full of shit all is one. the bible, which is the word of GOD tells us who adam and ever were. and yes GOD made them. you are up to your lying and shilling yet again. and remember, its your space alien gawd hatonn on the phony ship with the fake multiple sons that is NOT GOD THIS IS WHAT IS NOT GOD Last Edited by Baloney on 01/20/2022 08:53 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD waited for centuries and centuries for the birth of Christ Jesus since Adam, to get creation right again, without satan's interference. at just the right time. The birth of Christ Jesus was the greatest event to ever happen to us. Without Adam and Eve procreating themselves, like all the others, and the animals, Mary and Jo were pure, so GOD could create Christ, GOD's Crowning of Creation. GOD'S original plan for us, without having to ever suffer and die. So, it would have been Heaven on Earth, and Mary, an example, whose Fruit of Thy Womb, was GOD'S Creation, not man's and woman's. The way GOD wanted us to create us as REAL kings and queens, in Christ, on Earth, not the phony ones, in History. Mary still remains the only one, the only true Queen of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46960637 no this god did not. :NOT GOD: Adam and eve came 38000 years ago.. You have never been told who Adam and eve were... but God did not make them... they were not the first people on earth. The earth was populated 1 million years ago even. by those monkey god things? I saw something about a sub race of chimps that lived a million years ago and developed on the african continent. I thought someone made that up |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So yes to answer the question, Mary, the humble Lady from Nazereth is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Heart of the Mystical Body of Christ. And Christ is the King of Heaven but the Invisible Mind of the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Father is the Visible Mind of the Kingdom of Heaven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 So to get to the Kingdom of Heaven the Father draws you through uncreated grace, to believe and receive Jesus Christ literally into your soul, and the Holy Ghost proceeding from Jesus Christ in your soul illuminates your mind to give your heart to Jesus Christ(who is inside your soul), which crowns and delivers the King to the Upper Kingdom, and your soul, which is a supernatural land becomes a piece of the Kingdom of Heaven. where did this come from? Seriously, did you just make it up? The bible? the internet? Upper kingdom? How many kingdoms are there? I have zero idea what this means 2 Kingdoms, Lower(Hell) and Upper(Kingdom of Heaven) hell is a kingdom? Not a kingdom you want to go to, ran by a bunch of lunatics. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35096327 United Kingdom 01/20/2022 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81918683 1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN? 2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church. 3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage. 4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct? I could go on and on, but let's start wit that. Thanks Mary is upraised by Jesus to sit beside him, thereby becoming Queen of Heaven and Queen of Angels, she is the archetypal divine feminine. Joseph is more a custodian than a biological father, still blessed but not the progenitor of Jesus, whereas Mary is. The mystical nativity can’t really be unpicked like a regular pregnancy and birth event, but if you wanted to ‘normalise’ it a useful place to start might be to compare Essene customs, where sex was strictly limited to the purpose of child birth and only performed at specific times so children would be born during their new year (September). Marriages were arranged for the sole purpose of begetting children in an otherwise celibate community. There was an official priestly ( or greater) office called the Gabriel which was responsible for all these arrangements…. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80920912 The Roman Catholic Church worships the divine feminine as "Mary the Queen of Heaven" Joseph and Mary had children together after she bore Jesus. wow...didn't know that. How many and what were their names? That must have been weird when one of the kids was sired by god and the rest some unemployed carpenter. Jesus probably was taunted at an early age because of this Book of James towards end of New Testament is the only book besides Revelation that I feel almost 100% is legitimate and it was Jesus brother I do believe. and James was the favorite brother of Jesus. there were 8 more children after Jesus.. i call bs dude...there are no accounts of his siblings being at the crucifixion and they would have shown up for sure. They said prostitutes and pimps were there but no family??? GTFO with your fake stories |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81921561 wtf?? why noy just lay out what went down and let the chips fall where they may? humans dont do well with subtlty and nuance To optimize the quality of the saved. SO there are degrees of being saved? Like the masons have 33 degrees? Whats the difference between the lowest and highest state of being saved? Wow...this keeps getting more convoluted Either way you will be singing 'And Ive got the golden ticket in my Heart' golden ticket like that pervy guy at the chocolate factory? Charlie something? wtf is a golden ticket anyway? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And St Joseph is the Man for all Seasons, the Carpenter from Galilee, the Terror of Demons, the MiracleWORKER on behalf of Christians. And we do salute you Good St. Joseph for having the courage to travel on that dangerous road to Egypt, with your newborn adopted son, where the miracle of St. Dismas happened. And finally we do salute that Humble Lady from Nazerath, for having the courage to follow your Son up to the top of Mt. Calvary. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81918683 1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN? 2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church. 3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage. 4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct? I could go on and on, but let's start wit that. Thanks Mary is upraised by Jesus to sit beside him, thereby becoming Queen of Heaven and Queen of Angels, she is the archetypal divine feminine. Joseph is more a custodian than a biological father, still blessed but not the progenitor of Jesus, whereas Mary is. The mystical nativity can’t really be unpicked like a regular pregnancy and birth event, but if you wanted to ‘normalise’ it a useful place to start might be to compare Essene customs, where sex was strictly limited to the purpose of child birth and only performed at specific times so children would be born during their new year (September). Marriages were arranged for the sole purpose of begetting children in an otherwise celibate community. There was an official priestly ( or greater) office called the Gabriel which was responsible for all these arrangements…. so mary is queen and who is king? Cant have one without the other. And if jesus is king, then what is god...superking? I would like to be the essene god then and have all the fertile young women brought forth for my inspection. Do they have any chapters currently? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO there are degrees of being saved? Like the masons have 33 degrees? Whats the difference between the lowest and highest state of being saved? Wow...this keeps getting more convoluted Either way you will be singing 'And Ive got the golden ticket in my Heart' golden ticket like that pervy guy at the chocolate factory? Charlie something? wtf is a golden ticket anyway? If you make it into the Kingdom of Heaven you have won the eternal lottery. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we do salute Good St. Joseph that Humble Girl from Nazerate for having the courage to travel to that tiny town of Bethlehem, on Christmas Eve, where there was no room in the Inn, where they went to a manger inside of a cave to give birth to the Lord Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 And St Joseph is the Man for all Seasons, the Carpenter from Galilee, the Terror of Demons, the MiracleWORKER on behalf of Christians. And we do salute you Good St. Joseph for having the courage to travel on that dangerous road to Egypt, with your newborn adopted son, where the miracle of St. Dismas happened. And finally we do salute that Humble Lady from Nazerath, for having the courage to follow your Son up to the top of Mt. Calvary. Who is st dismal? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81921561 SO there are degrees of being saved? Like the masons have 33 degrees? Whats the difference between the lowest and highest state of being saved? Wow...this keeps getting more convoluted Either way you will be singing 'And Ive got the golden ticket in my Heart' golden ticket like that pervy guy at the chocolate factory? Charlie something? wtf is a golden ticket anyway? If you make it into the Kingdom of Heaven you have won the eternal lottery. sounds good...i want that. What do I have to do..and please be specific. I am a task oriented individual and need measurables and feedback toward my goal efforts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78860267 United States 01/20/2022 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You all are way over thinking this. May I suggest a book, "The Woman with the Alabaster Jar". Much esoteric information contained there. I walked away from that book thinking that Jesus was a "crash dummy" for her. I felt sad, then I understood his sacrifice for his mother and the world. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81917118 United States 01/20/2022 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we do salute Good St. Joseph that Humble Girl from Nazerate for having the courage to travel to that tiny town of Bethlehem, on Christmas Eve, where there was no room in the Inn, where they went to a manger inside of a cave to give birth to the Lord Jesus Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81917118 And St Joseph is the Man for all Seasons, the Carpenter from Galilee, the Terror of Demons, the MiracleWORKER on behalf of Christians. And we do salute you Good St. Joseph for having the courage to travel on that dangerous road to Egypt, with your newborn adopted son, where the miracle of St. Dismas happened. And finally we do salute that Humble Lady from Nazerath, for having the courage to follow your Son up to the top of Mt. Calvary. Who is st dismal? The good thief, the Good Thief met the Holy Family when they were on their way to Egypt and was about to rob them, that was a very dangerous road, the miracle happened and he helped them, and Mary repaid him many years later praying for him on the top of Mt Calvary, and moved by repentance he said 'Remember me Oh Master when you enter into YOUR Kingdom' and Jesus responded with those famous words, 'TODAY you shall be with me in Paradise'. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81921561 United States 01/20/2022 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You all are way over thinking this. May I suggest a book, "The Woman with the Alabaster Jar". Much esoteric information contained there. I walked away from that book thinking that Jesus was a "crash dummy" for her. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78860267 I felt sad, then I understood his sacrifice for his mother and the world. thanks for that. Can you confirm jesus had 8 siblings like that other poster claimed? Also, if mary got pregnant from simon the temple big-wig..couldnt he have used his influence to stop the crucifixion? It was his offspring after all |