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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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plus it said that she was 13 when she got pregnant. According to the book, Joseph wasn't the father...or didn't want to admit it.

Wonder if there was an age of consent back then
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The Immaculate Conception is about the circumstances surrounding the Virgin Mary's origin. Note...Because of the sin of Adam and Eve... All human beings are tainted by that "original sin"... However Mary because she was chosen to be the mother of the Messiah ... She was born free of that original sin. Remember..."You cannot put new wine into old wine skins."
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The source of the term Queen of Heaven was a carryover from the goddess worship of Astoreth/Asharah/Ishtar/Inanna prior to conversion to Christianity,

Queen of Heaven
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The source of the term Queen of Heaven was a carryover from the goddess worship of Astoreth/Asharah/Ishtar/Inanna prior to conversion to Christianity,

Queen of Heaven
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so jesus is king and his mom is queen?

what is god then?
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The Immaculate Conception is about the circumstances surrounding the Virgin Mary's origin. Note...Because of the sin of Adam and Eve... All human beings are tainted by that "original sin"... However Mary because she was chosen to be the mother of the Messiah ... She was born free of that original sin. Remember..."You cannot put new wine into old wine skins."
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so the virgin part was not literal?

i would think at 13 she would be a virgin...hopefully...but it says she was one after birth as well
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The source of the term Queen of Heaven was a carryover from the goddess worship of Astoreth/Asharah/Ishtar/Inanna prior to conversion to Christianity,

Queen of Heaven
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^^^THIS


Catholic Church has a history of this type of thing.
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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The Roman Catholic Church worships the divine feminine as "Mary the Queen of Heaven"

Joseph and Mary had children together after she bore Jesus.
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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The Roman Catholic Church worships the divine feminine as "Mary the Queen of Heaven"

Joseph and Mary had children together after she bore Jesus.
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wow...didn't know that. How many and what were their names?

That must have been weird when one of the kids was sired by god and the rest some unemployed carpenter.

Jesus probably was taunted at an early age because of this
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?
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Her son was the King of Swej. The King's mom is called Queen.

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ.
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The Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with Jesus' birth. It is the belief that Mary was conceived 'Immaculate' ... she was not born with original sin herself.

A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81918683


Mary and Joseph were not Catholics. There was no Catholic Church then. They were married Swej style.


4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

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The general belief is Mary was a Virgin at the time of the birth of JC. She was a holy woman born without sin. Joseph was a faithful believer who accepted his wife's story of an Angel telling her she was blessed. They were married in their culture.

I think most people accept that Joseph got to bang that pussy after that. And of course some believe that there are references to Jesus's brothers. But nobody talks much about that.
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The Immaculate Conception is about the circumstances surrounding the Virgin Mary's origin. Note...Because of the sin of Adam and Eve... All human beings are tainted by that "original sin"... However Mary because she was chosen to be the mother of the Messiah ... She was born free of that original sin. Remember..."You cannot put new wine into old wine skins."
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Total perversion of what that "wineskin" scripture is communicating.
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Why does it matter to you ? Its obviously not your beliefs so move toward that which brings comfort for you, and allow others to have faith in what brings them comfort
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Luke wrote of the Virgin birth. The Greek myths are full of Virgin births, and God's taking over mere mortals and creating demigods. Luke was writing for the Greeks.

This is my understanding.
From my pagan perspective it's really gross how so many Christians get so literal and worry about what shape a young girl's hymen was in so much.

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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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The Roman Catholic Church worships the divine feminine as "Mary the Queen of Heaven"

Joseph and Mary had children together after she bore Jesus.
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wow...didn't know that. How many and what were their names?

That must have been weird when one of the kids was sired by god and the rest some unemployed carpenter.

Jesus probably was taunted at an early age because of this
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James, Joseph, Simeon and Jude. Sisters are unnamed.

Christs adopted father was no deadbeat.
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dont you get it yet.

Its a fictional story. It was plagiarized from texts which predate it by at least 1500 years possibly 3000 years.

Jesus never existed and most likely mary never existed either.

sorry to burst your bubble it is what it is.
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plus it said that she was 13 when she got pregnant. According to the book, Joseph wasn't the father...or didn't want to admit it.

Wonder if there was an age of consent back then
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You have very limited critical thinking skills and resemble another failed product of the American education system. Considering that most had already lived a majority of their lives by the age of 13 in those days, early marriage and child birth was not out of line. Most people, especially those from poor backgrounds didnt have lifespans that extended past the late twenties. Time for you to grow up some yourself
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dont you get it yet.

Its a fictional story. It was plagiarized from texts which predate it by at least 1500 years possibly 3000 years.

Jesus never existed and most likely mary never existed either.

sorry to burst your bubble it is what it is.
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Nonsense. The "texts" you speak of differ like Sumer does with Akkad.

As such the creation story in the bible differs greatly.

The history entire world to this day has been effected by the birth of the messiah even though it has been shilled for ages.
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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Well, around 300 AD the Catholic Church leaders gathered in Egypt and determined that Mary was in fact Isis. The same as Isis with Horus.

They then went on to call her the Queen of Heaven.

However, that is NOT the Truth. Secret Societies know that Magdalene was the actual reincarnation of Isis and after Jesus fled to Japan (google it and on youtube) Magdalene set up her own Churches in France that taught about Isis and Osiris.

In fact, Christianity did originate in Ancient Egypt and the downfall of mankind was brought about by the Sorceress Nepthys who disguised herself as Isis to commit Adultery and then have Osiris murdered over what had occurred.

If you read The Book of the Dead and the history of what occurred with Isis and Osiris you will find that Isis was the first one to go UP to Babylon/Spiritual Egypt in Revelation 17 and 18 and wage war with them and all their ungodliness. She lays down the Laws of God/RA/Jehovah the same, which include the 10 Commandments of Moses

Nepthys is the whore of Babylon ABOVE. What was once the 1st Heaven and then became corrupted.

THE REAL HEAVEN WHERE GOD AND THE IMMORTAL HUMANS ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE EARTH, NO SUN SHINES THERE, GOD LIGHTS THE REALM UP HIMSELF. THIS IS REFERRED TO AS THE 2ND HEAVEN IN REVELATION.
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dont you get it yet.

Its a fictional story. It was plagiarized from texts which predate it by at least 1500 years possibly 3000 years.

Jesus never existed and most likely mary never existed either.

sorry to burst your bubble it is what it is.
 Quoting: austinfitts


Nonsense. The "texts" you speak of differ like Sumer does with Akkad.

As such the creation story in the bible differs greatly.

The history entire world to this day has been effected by the birth of the messiah even though it has been shilled for ages.
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Nonsense yourself. I didn't mention any texts which tells me all I need to know about your ability to read and comprehend. Why dont you just kneel and pray to your fake god to come save you.
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We love because He first loved us. 20If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And we have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must love his brother as well.…


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I am glad to see that you are taking this opportunity to examine your beliefs ... hopefully you will come to realize that records were kept by the chews - that tell us that Mary was given to the Temple - to be raised as a servant ... and that because of her beauty, was the personal maid to Simon the High Priest - who impregnated her - even though he was very old, and had a wife and grown children and grand children

after his circumcisum and Mary was "clean" she presented Jesus to his father - and he proclaimed that he had lived long enough to see the Messiah's birth ... it's in the bible too -

It was covered up by the Priest, who called in the elders living in rural areas, because they would not have heard the rummors - and as their religion demanded, they gave Mary a husband - they assumed would "consumate" the marriage immediately --- but Joseph had a wife he loved and children, almost the same age as Mary ... so he hesitated, and Mary began to "show" - so she ran to her Cousin (Elizabeth) to avoid being stoned ... He took her to Jerusalem at tax time, because he knew that she was due to give birth, and because the trip took a month - noisy neighbors wouldn't question an early birth of a full-term baby - but they never went home - for another 10 years - they fled from Herrods "murder of the innocence" and hid out with the Gnostics in the Hills


the truth is not hidden ... seek and you will find the real story of Jesus and Mary
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dont you get it yet.

Its a fictional story. It was plagiarized from texts which predate it by at least 1500 years possibly 3000 years.

Jesus never existed and most likely mary never existed either.

sorry to burst your bubble it is what it is.
 Quoting: austinfitts


Nonsense. The "texts" you speak of differ like Sumer does with Akkad.

As such the creation story in the bible differs greatly.

The history entire world to this day has been effected by the birth of the messiah even though it has been shilled for ages.
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Nonsense yourself. I didn't mention any texts which tells me all I need to know about your ability to read and comprehend. Why dont you just kneel and pray to your fake god to come save you.
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It does not matter what "texts" specifically. They all differ in details of similar accounts. As such there is no need for me to explain the difference between Noe and Gilgamesh.
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dont you get it yet.

Its a fictional story. It was plagiarized from texts which predate it by at least 1500 years possibly 3000 years.

Jesus never existed and most likely mary never existed either.

sorry to burst your bubble it is what it is.
 Quoting: austinfitts


Nonsense. The "texts" you speak of differ like Sumer does with Akkad.

As such the creation story in the bible differs greatly.

The history entire world to this day has been effected by the birth of the messiah even though it has been shilled for ages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80920912


Nonsense yourself. I didn't mention any texts which tells me all I need to know about your ability to read and comprehend. Why dont you just kneel and pray to your fake god to come save you.
 Quoting: austinfitts


It does not matter what "texts" specifically. They all differ in details of similar accounts. As such there is no need for me to explain the difference between Noe and Gilgamesh.
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what is more important than the "text" is the SOURCE ... who wrote the NT and what purpose does it serve its Roman creators - hundreds of years after all the early followers of Jesus were dead and the only other people who could validate these "epistles" (the chews) were exiled
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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Mary and Joseph has 8 children together after Jesus. This is fact.
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Nonsense. The "texts" you speak of differ like Sumer does with Akkad.

As such the creation story in the bible differs greatly.

The history entire world to this day has been effected by the birth of the messiah even though it has been shilled for ages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80920912


Nonsense yourself. I didn't mention any texts which tells me all I need to know about your ability to read and comprehend. Why dont you just kneel and pray to your fake god to come save you.
 Quoting: austinfitts


It does not matter what "texts" specifically. They all differ in details of similar accounts. As such there is no need for me to explain the difference between Noe and Gilgamesh.
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what is more important than the "text" is the SOURCE ... who wrote the NT and what purpose does it serve its Roman creators - hundreds of years after all the early followers of Jesus were dead and the only other people who could validate these "epistles" (the chews) were exiled
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Totally false claim on who wrote the NT.
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GOD waited for centuries and centuries for the birth of Christ Jesus since Adam, to get creation right again, without satan's interference. at just the right time. The birth of Christ Jesus was the greatest event to ever happen to us. Without Adam and Eve procreating themselves, like all the others, and the animals, Mary and Jo were pure, so GOD could create Christ, GOD's Crowning of Creation. GOD'S original plan for us, without having to ever suffer and die. So, it would have been Heaven on Earth, and Mary, an example, whose Fruit of Thy Womb, was GOD'S Creation, not man's and woman's. The way GOD wanted us to create us as REAL kings and queens, in Christ, on Earth, not the phony ones, in History. Mary still remains the only one, the only true Queen of Heaven.
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
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1. The catholic church is pagan and worships the queen of heaven. The bible states Jesus is the ONLY path, we dont worship Mary.

Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger

2. What the catholic church says doesnt matter, sex has nothing to do with "sealing" a marriage. Pagan belief

3. God put his seed/spirit in Mary to bare his son Jesus Christ. Mary was a virgin. After Jesus was born, Mary went on to have other children physically with Joeseph.

4. See answer 3, she is married to Joseph and had other kids.

The catholic church is not the bible, the bible exposes Rome and the harlot church
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Serious questions for those who know the ins and outs of the bibble.

1) Mary in the catholic church is referred to as QUEEN. Why? They don't call Joseph, her husband KING. What is the source of the claim QUEEN?

2) It was an immaculate conception, right? Which means Joe didn't insert his male organ. A couple is not considered married in the catholic church until they have copulated...in fact before copulation occurs a marriage can easily be dissolved. Also, if a guy can't get it up, the couple is never married in the eyes of the church.

3) If no sex, then Mary was a single mom and there was no marriage.

4) If it was a virgin birth, then Mary is still a virgin and unmarried, correct?

I could go on and on, but let's start wit that.

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81918683


The Roman Catholic Church worships the divine feminine as "Mary the Queen of Heaven"

Joseph and Mary had children together after she bore Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80920912


wow...didn't know that. How many and what were their names?

That must have been weird when one of the kids was sired by god and the rest some unemployed carpenter.

Jesus probably was taunted at an early age because of this
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Book of James towards end of New Testament is the only book besides Revelation that I feel almost 100% is legitimate and it was Jesus brother I do believe.
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Paradigm #1
Trinity:
Mind -> Father
Heart -> Jesus Christ
Soul -> Holy Ghost
Body -> Good Angels

Paradigm #2
Kingdom of Heaven/Glorified Body of Christ:
Mind -> Father
Visible Head -> Jesus Christ
Soul -> Holy Ghost
Body -> All saved humans
Heart -> Queen of Heaven

Paradigm #3
Mystical Body of Christ:
Mind -> Jesus Christ
Soul -> Holy Ghost
Visible Head -> Bishop of Rome/Magesterium
Body -> All those believers in the Eucharist who have entered(and stayed)...
Heart -> Humble Lady from Nazareth

Paradigm #4
Human:
Mind
Soul
Heart
Body
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I am glad to see that you are taking this opportunity to examine your beliefs ... hopefully you will come to realize that records were kept by the chews - that tell us that Mary was given to the Temple - to be raised as a servant ... and that because of her beauty, was the personal maid to Simon the High Priest - who impregnated her - even though he was very old, and had a wife and grown children and grand children

after his circumcisum and Mary was "clean" she presented Jesus to his father - and he proclaimed that he had lived long enough to see the Messiah's birth ... it's in the bible too -

It was covered up by the Priest, who called in the elders living in rural areas, because they would not have heard the rummors - and as their religion demanded, they gave Mary a husband - they assumed would "consumate" the marriage immediately --- but Joseph had a wife he loved and children, almost the same age as Mary ... so he hesitated, and Mary began to "show" - so she ran to her Cousin (Elizabeth) to avoid being stoned ... He took her to Jerusalem at tax time, because he knew that she was due to give birth, and because the trip took a month - noisy neighbors wouldn't question an early birth of a full-term baby - but they never went home - for another 10 years - they fled from Herrods "murder of the innocence" and hid out with the Gnostics in the Hills


the truth is not hidden ... seek and you will find the real story of Jesus and Mary
 Quoting: Shadow Dance


this is substantially different than what i was taught in catholic school, but it does sound like a plausible scenario for the times. high priests and the wealthy and powerful do seem to favor 13 year old girls.

simon eh? probably powerful and well to do





GLP