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In this thread, I will present how dreams are vital for our cognitive development and play a role in neuronal development, learning and memory consolidation during sleep. How we can gamify dreaming as one means to encourage dream development for a healthier dream life, and reap the benefits of how these processes benefit our ability to learn and remember.

Dreams emerge from a process known as hippocampal replay. When we start to rest and fall asleep, the hippocampus (the long term memory region of the brain) starts to send recorded memory/experiences back through the neocortex and to specific regions of the brain for memory consolidation.

Premediate replay happens as we enter rest, so the act of falling asleep. In 1994, Tetris was noted as causing the Tetris Effect or Tetris Syndrome.

The Tetris Effect or Tetris Syndrome occurs when a person plays Tetris for a long period of time, when they close their eyes to go to sleep, they still see the game and even continue to interact and play the game during premediate sleep. We know from research into hippocampal replay that this behavior increases during rest and is directly linked to how we learn and also consolidate long-term memories. The Tetris Effect is an early example of video game content influencing hippocampal replay during rest.

Jeffery Goldsmith's article from 1994 Wired Magazine article entitled, "This is your brain on Tetris" which coined the term 'The Tetris Effect'.
[link to www.wired.com (secure)]

Research into replay with BrainGate with a game took place in a study from May, 2020 that used two human volunteers who had electrodes installed into their brain to study replay and learning in humans. What they discovered is just like Rat hippocampal studies, humans also evolved the same mechanism for learning and long-term memory consolidation. Place-cells in the hippocampus have firing sequences that can be recorded and then observe during dreaming 'replaying' as part of NREM1 sleep.
https://imgur.com/toVSFkN


Source: [link to www.cell.com (secure)]

In Hippocampal replay studies on rats. Researchers used a similar method of installing electrodes to record place-cell firing sequences during a rat moving through a maze, then observed these same spike-pattern sequences repeating during sleep in ripples indicating the rat was dreaming of activities it preformed during the day.
https://imgur.com/hp0Rpkf


When they disrupted 'replay' they discovered this impaired the rat's learning performance.
https://imgur.com/iyuwxJV


Source: [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

The role of dreaming has been studied in both humans and mammals. The reason why dreams occur stems from the need for long-term memory consolidation and learning through replay of waking events and the development of neural-pathways and synapses during REM. Before fMRI research, dream researchers observing the behavior of the hippocampus during sleep noted that it's behavior changed. Instead of taking information in during the day, the hippocampus started sending information back into the neocortex of the brain. This behavior lead some neuroscientists to conclude that this could explain some people cannot remember their dreams because the information from dreaming doesn't return back to the hippocampus and takes place in short-term memory.

If the hippocampus is the last to go to sleep, it could very well be the last to wake up, Andrillon said. "So, you could have this window where you wake up with a dream in your short-term memory, but since the hippocampus is not fully awake yet, your brain is not able to keep that memory," Andrillon told Live Science.
Source: [link to www.realclearscience.com (secure)]

The problem with amensiac dreaming has been an area of interest for many dream researchers as to why some people can remember dreams, and other people cannot. There is one study that used fMRI imagining with people who had high-frequency dream recall and people who did not. What they discovered was another important clue relating to dream recall and that was the development of 'white-matter' density in HF dreamers vs lower density in LF dreamers.
https://imgur.com/Twrr6wD


There is substantial evidence in sleep and dream research that shows REM sleep and REM dreams play a role in the development of neural pathways and synapses. REM sleep puts stimulation of neural pathways into over-drive and is observed in REM sleep and babies as part of their cognitive development.

Source: [link to pathways.org (secure)]

During REM sleep, the brain prunes neural connections and develops new ones.

"We further show that dendritic calcium spikes arising during REM sleep are important for pruning and strengthening new spines. Together, these findings indicate that REM sleep has multifaceted functions in brain development, learning and memory consolidation by selectively eliminating and maintaining newly formed synapses via dendritic calcium spike-dependent mechanisms."

Source: [link to www.nature.com (secure)]

When we study dream frequency by age, the production of dream content is very high during the developing brain and begins to drastically decrease with age. This decrease shows that for many people by the age of 60, there is a 99.98% loss in dream recall.
https://imgur.com/O1LRls7


Source: [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

What studies like Tore Neilson presents is cognitive decline with dreaming as we age. Many people do not participate in the 3-5 dreams they have during sleep, so the lack of stimulation to regions like the medial prefrontal cortex stunts neural pathway development for dream recall and this region atrophies until people no longer dream at all. Cognitive atrophy and stunted dream development is only a concern though for people who want to participate in the nightly routine of dreaming.

Why this is important with regards to video games and their ability to shape and influence the content of our dreams, is many people who might want to explore this interesting phenomena of long-term memory consolidation and replay as a fun means to entertain oneself with dreaming when that replay is an interactive version of their favorite video game, is that many people do not realize that dreaming itself is a developmental skill and that the brain atrophies without stimulation from dreaming causing less neural pathway development in regions of the dreaming mind stunting dream recall, somatic sensory dream replay and even higher-cognitive functions such as self-awareness.

Dream researchers have been using video-games as a tool to help with dream development. It's self-evident for most that influences from our day 'replay' as dreams during sleep. You may have noticed dreams composed of influences from movies, TV shows, video games and activities during the day. The reason why some people have dreams that produce interactive-replays of games stems from the notion that the subconscious mind doesn't know what this information is, but pipes it through the same replay processes sorting out the information in a dream interactive replay.

Jayne Gackenback first wrote about video games and their influence on dreams in 2008.

Video Game Play Effects on Dreams: Self-Evaluation and Content Analysis
Jayne Isabel Gackenbach, Beena Kuruvilla
Eludamos. Journal for Computer Game Culture. 2008; 2; 2; 169-186

In analyzing the dreams of many high-frequency gamers many elements of the game incorporated into dream replay and the game itself showing up as themes in their dreams.

" This certainly seems to characterize the virtual world of many of today's games showing up in their dreams."

Source: [link to www.eludamos.org (secure)]

As such, more research has been used using video games for developing dreaming skills such as self-awareness or lucid dreaming.

Playing physically interactive video games is associated with lucid dreaming, study finds
by Eric W. Dolan July 13, 2019in Cognitive Science

Marc Sestir, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Central Arkansas, and Jennifer Peszka, an associate professor of psychology at Hendrix College, became interested in the connection between video game play and lucid dreaming thanks to Peszka’s student Ming Tai — a gamer herself and co-author of the new study.

Source: [link to www.psypost.org (secure)]

It turns out that lucid dreaming, or self-aware dreaming is linked to activity in the prefrontal cortex during sleep. That fMRI studies on people who claimed to lucid dream was observed when activity increased during 'lucid dreams' and this activity appeared in the prefrontal cortex vs non-lucid dreaming who during REM showed no activity.

https://imgur.com/42fuPmf


Neural Correlates of Dream Lucidity Obtained from Contrasting Lucid versus Non-Lucid REM Sleep: A Combined EEG/fMRI Case Study

Martin Dresler, PhD,*,1 Renate Wehrle, PhD,*,1 Victor I. Spoormaker, PhD,1 Stefan P. Koch, PhD,2 Florian Holsboer, MD, PhD,1 Axel Steiger, MD,1 Hellmuth Obrig, MD,2,3,4 Philipp G. Sämann, MD,1 and Michael Czisch, PhD1 (2012, Jul 1) Sleep

Source: [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

There are lots of new insights into why we dream, the mechanics of dreaming and the importance of dreams with regards to our cognitive development, memory and learning. Many people enjoy dreaming but very few look at dreams as a developmental skill that can be fine-tuned to become more than just dreaming.

For example, using a video game for dream development can make the resulting dream themed in that game a lot of fun for a person who enjoys that game. Using movies, tv shows and other visual/audible sources can help set a fun theme or goal for an interactive dream replay.

As dreaming is a developmental skill that suffers from atrophy if one doesn't make an effort to participate, gamifying the dream development can not only help with improving the dream experience but can make this participation fun and entertaining.

Maybe dreaming wasn't so crazy after all? Some birds, all mammals and every human dreams. Why? It's part of our cognitive development, skill development and long-term memory consolidation. So strange that people give dreaming such a bad rap, when in truth, it's a very healthy part of sleep that can be tuned into an art-form and entertainment system. Gamifying dreaming is just one way in which we can make this night-time routine more interesting and fun to encourage dream participation and dream development.

Time for some pro-tips on developmental dreaming. The dreaming mind is prone to atrophy due to lack-of-stimulation to region of the brain that produce the dream we experience during sleep. We will cover how to train for dream development using stimulation training vs inventive gimmicks and time-wasting techniques.

Pro-Tip 1: Have a dream plan, and a dream routine.
Treat the dreaming mind the same way you treat the body when going to the gym. There are three core regions of the dreaming mind that suffer from atrophy and benifit greatly from stimulation training.

Pro-Tip 2: Start with the weakest regions of stunted development and get those regions developing first.

#1 Dream Recall: The region of the brain that facilitates dream recall resides in the Medial Prefrontal Cortex.

#2 Sensory-Replay: The Somatosensory region of the brain produces taste/hearing/touch/taste/smell in our dream-replay.
All five-senses take part in memory-consolidation, if you are lacking any of these 5 senses as part of your dream experience then these sensory regions suffer from stunted dream development and require stimulation training to start development to come back online.

#3 Self-Awareness: The Prefrontal Cortex is where self-awareness resides.
This part naturally goes offline during sleep, but during rest it can become active gain producing a lucid or self-aware dream. It is also developmental so if this isn't happening, stunted dream development is the reason why.

Pro-tip 3: Dreams are developmental and neurological development for any skill takes time.

There are no short-cuts for neurological development, so be patient with the slow progress but note all the developmental results along the way. It can take over a week for some people to rehabilitate any of the above regions and this reflects in age so 60+ may take 2 weeks or even 3 in some cases, but development through stimulation training proves beneficial for all age groups unless the person is in a state of severe cognitive decline (dementia/althimerz etc).

Pro-Tip 4: Remember a prior dream if you wake up remembering nothing.

Remembering past dreams does still pipe through the MPF and will stimulate the neural pathways and neurons. Even taking time to remember dreams anytime during the day helps with stimulating this region, and will help with development.

Pro-Tip 5: Use a soft-alarm that eases you awake

We have evolved a survival mechanism that flushes dream recall if we are startled awake. It trips the fight-or-flight response and causes a memory-flush of dreams preparing you to deal with the threat upon waking. Switching to an alarm that starts softly helps. Using a light-alarm is useful. Putting your phone into do-not-disturb mode during sleep is also helpful to prevent interruptions. Ear-plugs are also useful if the environment is full of external noises and interruptions.
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Whenever I am learning something new, I do it in my sleep ALL NIGHT LONG.

I also have lucid dreams regularly.

BTW I'm really good at doing high-level tasks... better than most.
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Whenever I am learning something new, I do it in my sleep ALL NIGHT LONG.

I also have lucid dreams regularly.

BTW I'm really good at doing high-level tasks... better than most.
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Exactly, that replay is helping to embed those skills during sleep. People who actively dream develop a completely different brain than those who don't. Far more neuronal development in active dreamers, as dreaming is a neurological process.

Sadly, most people go into stunted dream development and suffer from cognitive atrophy so their dreams are no longer part of an experience they can have.
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Dreaming is practically my favorite part about this life.

Mall-world dreams are fucking amazing and luckily, I have them often.
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Dreaming is practically my favorite part about this life.

Mall-world dreams are fucking amazing and luckily, I have them often.
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I've had the mall-world dreams too. I like active dream programming, so I can create a lot of my dream content. Here's one fun example.

[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

And I have posts going back timestamped to 1998 where I do fun things with dreaming for art and entertainment. In this dream I become self-aware and decide to change the dream into a Star Wars themed space adventure. It's at the end of the post so I'll just paste the excerpt as it's a TLDR journal entry.

Excerpt:

Sitting in the truck, I start to think about what would be the most fun, adventurous thing I could experience at this moment. Being a big fan of Star Wars, I always wanted to fly an X-Wing fighter and take on the DeathStar. I look at the dash and it soon forms a cockpit. The truck molds into an x-wing and I am in space flying at top speeds into a wave of Tie-Fighters. There is laser fire everywhere and I am adjusting my shields.

"This is great! Perfect match!", I remarked as I looked at a reflection of myself. I looked exactly like Luke Skywalker and had a helmet on, with the orange and white spacesuit. I have a targeting computer and dive into battle. I open fire on a Tie-Fighter and it blows up in a blaze of glory. There are laser blasts hitting my ship and the ship rocks. I dive towards the Death Star and flew into the trench where the exhaust pipe should be located. I saw the target and fired my torpedoes. It was flawless of course, and I pulled out of the Death Star.

As the Death Star blew up, I was somehow caught in the blast and everything started to decay. There were familiar patterns of yellow and white clouds and I started to recall how many Star Wars-type dreams I have had. The memory patterns went way back into my childhood. And I could feel the excitement and joy I had as a child as I played this sort of game in the dream state. I noted that I was observing childhood dream memories that I had forgotten over time and thought that was a treasure in itself. I soon woke up and raced to my computer to write it all down.

Here is the link to the post now on Google Groups, hover over the post date and you'll see it was posted:

Jun 1, 1998, 12:00:00 AM

[link to groups.google.com (secure)]

And another fun themed dream from Feb 5, 1999.
[link to groups.google.com (secure)]

This dream I took my family on vacation to the Death Star... fun times.
[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

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Time for some pro-tips on developmental dreaming. The dreaming mind is prone to atrophy due to lack-of-stimulation to region of the brain that produce the dream we experience during sleep. We will cover how to train for dream development using stimulation training vs inventive gimmicks and time-wasting techniques.

Pro-Tip 1: Have a dream plan, and a dream routine.
Treat the dreaming mind the same way you treat the body when going to the gym. There are three core regions of the dreaming mind that suffer from atrophy and benifit greatly from stimulation training.

Pro-Tip 2: Start with the weakest regions of stunted development and get those regions developing first.

#1 Dream Recall: The region of the brain that facilitates dream recall resides in the Medial Prefrontal Cortex.

#2 Sensory-Replay: The Somatosensory region of the brain produces taste/hearing/touch/taste/smell in our dream-replay.
All five-senses take part in memory-consolidation, if you are lacking any of these 5 senses as part of your dream experience then these sensory regions suffer from stunted dream development and require stimulation training to start development to come back online.

#3 Self-Awareness: The Prefrontal Cortex is where self-awareness resides.
This part naturally goes offline during sleep, but during rest it can become active gain producing a lucid or self-aware dream. It is also developmental so if this isn't happening, stunted dream development is the reason why.

Pro-tip 3: Dreams are developmental and neurological development for any skill takes time.

There are no short-cuts for neurological development, so be patient with the slow progress but note all the developmental results along the way. It can take over a week for some people to rehabilitate any of the above regions and this reflects in age so 60+ may take 2 weeks or even 3 in some cases, but development through stimulation training proves beneficial for all age groups unless the person is in a state of severe cognitive decline (dementia/althimerz etc).

Pro-Tip 4: Remember a prior dream if you wake up remembering nothing.

Remembering past dreams does still pipe through the MPF and will stimulate the neural pathways and neurons. Even taking time to remember dreams anytime during the day helps with stimulating this region, and will help with development.

Pro-Tip 5: Use a soft-alarm that eases you awake

We have evolved a survival mechanism that flushes dream recall if we are startled awake. It trips the fight-or-flight response and causes a memory-flush of dreams preparing you to deal with the threat upon waking. Switching to an alarm that starts softly helps. Using a light-alarm is useful. Putting your phone into do-not-disturb mode during sleep is also helpful to prevent interruptions. Ear-plugs are also useful if the environment is full of external noises and interruptions.
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Interesting. Bookmarked.
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Stay away from unproductive dream techniques, gimmicks, stimulants and other bad advice that may further impede or stunt dream development.

There are a lot of problems with the disconnect with natural neurological development and dreaming due to the lack of proper science up until 2010 when fMRI and more advanced probing into the brain started to reveal that the act of dreaming is fundamental to our cognitive development, learning and memory-consolidation. The brain manages our neuronal development during REM sleep, this has always been the case but it took the last decade to get this evidence established with neuroscience.

For example, stimulates interrupt REM sleep will stunt learning development and should not be used to promote 'dreaming' as it can interrupt REM and your natural sleep-cycle.

Lot's of 'dream gurus' promote stimulant use for dreaming to sell neurotropic dream gimmicks that are not at all required for native cognitive development. The classic snake-oil trope of claiming a person needs a pill to solve a problem. Just natural sleep and some developmental training yields all the results for very little effort.

The other problem are inventive gimmicks and dream techniques that do not provide stimulation to the regions of the brain that deal with dreaming. A good example of things that won't work: Putting a crystal under the pillow, using a dream catcher, staring at a pine cone. It's about as effective as getting these to do your work-out routine at the gym. No stimulation = no development.

Parents to tell their kids not to dream are further stunting their child's cognitive development. Promoting the myth that dreams are crazy, wasteful or without any real purpose simply sends people down the stunted development pathway robbing them of a rich developed dream life.

Listen to their dreams and encourage them to dream more. Know a little about dream psychology so you can console them on overcoming nightmares should they arise rather then letting those nightmares fester, embed deeper and become a real problem for their dreams in the future.

I started with stimulation training in 1986, and wrote about it in 1998. To this date, I am only aware of one 'dream expert' that is teaching stimulation training for dream development and that is because like me they are into dream neuroscience, dream development and has a great understanding of the dreaming mind. In the large swath of dream coaches I have reviewed, most rely on old 'yogi' or 'guru' methods for dreaming which to be honest makes it much more complicated than it needs to be.

What has this accomplished?

I have helped rehabilitate dream recall in people as old as 70 who haven't had dream recall in decades without drugs, supplements or changes to their sleeping patterns. Several clinical dream researchers that I know go the 'galantamine' route to address this issue and I wouldn't recommend this unless someone really had a neural degenerative disease that 'galantamine' was developed to treat like Alzheimer. Some took up to 3 weeks to get dream recall to become nightly and that is because this is developmental, it takes time. No magic short-cut 3-easy steps for instant results.

People who lacked full sensory-replay during dreams having only vision/hearing have been able to promote development in the weak sensory regions where their dreams now have full sensory-replay and improved textures/colors for better dream fidelity. From what I know, I am the only one who does this as part of stimulation training where results become apparent for participants. It seems to be overlooked for dream development although I presented this back in 1998 and in my 2010 book.

Many people who worked with stimulation training for self-awareness are now nightly lucid dreamers, and this comes naturally invoked with normal sleep patterns because we develop the prefrontal cortex for self-awareness. As it should be, once the development is done, maintenance is all that is required.

I have helped numerous people overcome nightmares, one person with night-terrors and one person with childhood PTSD that was resolved through clinical dreaming built around those results. Clinical dreaming is something that I do see a lot more of and I am glad they are finally using dreaming to resolve embedded nested traumas and fears. That is what the brain does during REM, it reprograms itself which can cut-out embedded fears etc.

Read about this process from this study on how REM prunes and maintains neuronal development.

REM sleep selectively prunes and maintains new synapses in development and learning

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Most of my dreams I learn skills I couldn't learn any other way.

One time I was chilling with multiple mafia bosses and they taught me how to own a casino, and then I did, and now I am rich.
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Most of my dreams I learn skills I couldn't learn any other way.

One time I was chilling with multiple mafia bosses and they taught me how to own a casino, and then I did, and now I am rich.
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I've seen it in my own dreams, where they have helped with many of the skills I trained in my waking life. Nice to double-up for extra skill development ;)
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There are many types of dreams, lucid, precognitive, replays of the previous day/life experience, lifeskill development, astral travel, etc.

I've actually had dreams where I've experienced entire lifetimes in one night.

I've woken up with total amnesia, not knowing anything about my current life, until I'm fully awake.

I've astral traveled into dimensions that were closing behind me, where I've had to escape before I couldn't get back.

We can only guess as to the limits of sleep time, if there actually are any limits.


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So, if I know someone who almost never remembers their dreams, what does it mean? Is it correlated to lack of emotional expression or very few needs, wants or desires?
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There are many types of dreams, lucid, precognitive, replays of the previous day/life experience, lifeskill development, astral travel, etc.

I've actually had dreams where I've experienced entire lifetimes in one night.

I've woken up with total amnesia, not knowing anything about my current life, until I'm fully awake.

I've astral traveled into dimensions that were closing behind me, where I've had to escape before I couldn't get back.

We can only guess as to the limits of sleep time, if there actually are any limits.


hf
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There is a lot under the hood when we close our eyes at night. I get into extending time in dreams here.
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So, if I know someone who almost never remembers their dreams, what does it mean? Is it correlated to lack of emotional expression or very few needs, wants or desires?
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It means at some point in their life they lost interest in recalling and reviewing dreams. This deprived that region of the brain stimulation so the neural pathways declined into atrophy stunting dream recall.

It's a developmental issue but the link is a psychological response of disinterest, or perhaps fear due to a bad dream which often can make a person never want to dream again. As dreams predominately have remained in a stigmatized taboo, lots of people think dreaming is wasteful and without any real use or purpose for their lives. Totally the opposite in fact, very important when used correctly for many reasons.
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So, if I know someone who almost never remembers their dreams, what does it mean? Is it correlated to lack of emotional expression or very few needs, wants or desires?
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It means at some point in their life they lost interest in recalling and reviewing dreams. This deprived that region of the brain stimulation so the neural pathways declined into atrophy stunting dream recall.

It's a developmental issue but the link is a psychological response of disinterest, or perhaps fear due to a bad dream which often can make a person never want to dream again. As dreams predominately have remained in a stigmatized taboo, lots of people think dreaming is wasteful and without any real use or purpose for their lives. Totally the opposite in fact, very important when used correctly for many reasons.
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Thank you so much for your kind reply.

I suppose it may be to Blick a trauma.

Not sure. Very worrisome now. I guess there is no helping someone if this is as a result of a defense mechanism .
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So, if I know someone who almost never remembers their dreams, what does it mean? Is it correlated to lack of emotional expression or very few needs, wants or desires?
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It means at some point in their life they lost interest in recalling and reviewing dreams. This deprived that region of the brain stimulation so the neural pathways declined into atrophy stunting dream recall.

It's a developmental issue but the link is a psychological response of disinterest, or perhaps fear due to a bad dream which often can make a person never want to dream again. As dreams predominately have remained in a stigmatized taboo, lots of people think dreaming is wasteful and without any real use or purpose for their lives. Totally the opposite in fact, very important when used correctly for many reasons.
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Thank you so much for your kind reply.

I suppose it may be to Blick a trauma.

Not sure. Very worrisome now. I guess there is no helping someone if this is as a result of a defense mechanism .
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It's all up to an individual as to what they want to do in life. All I do is present the reality of dream development, stunted dream development, cognitive atrophy and how to train dreams for dream development.

My view on the content of said dream is relative to the individual, their experiences, their beliefs and their intentions. So that part is up to them, I just think knowing how to develop the dreaming mind for optimal high-fidelity dream experiences is great. The one who dreams those dreams, it's up to them to manage the content of their own dreams.
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Dreaming is practically my favorite part about this life.

Mall-world dreams are fucking amazing and luckily, I have them often.
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I've had the mall-world dreams too. I like active dream programming, so I can create a lot of my dream content. Here's one fun example.

[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

And I have posts going back timestamped to 1998 where I do fun things with dreaming for art and entertainment. In this dream I become self-aware and decide to change the dream into a Star Wars themed space adventure. It's at the end of the post so I'll just paste the excerpt as it's a TLDR journal entry.

Excerpt:

Sitting in the truck, I start to think about what would be the most fun, adventurous thing I could experience at this moment. Being a big fan of Star Wars, I always wanted to fly an X-Wing fighter and take on the DeathStar. I look at the dash and it soon forms a cockpit. The truck molds into an x-wing and I am in space flying at top speeds into a wave of Tie-Fighters. There is laser fire everywhere and I am adjusting my shields.

"This is great! Perfect match!", I remarked as I looked at a reflection of myself. I looked exactly like Luke Skywalker and had a helmet on, with the orange and white spacesuit. I have a targeting computer and dive into battle. I open fire on a Tie-Fighter and it blows up in a blaze of glory. There are laser blasts hitting my ship and the ship rocks. I dive towards the Death Star and flew into the trench where the exhaust pipe should be located. I saw the target and fired my torpedoes. It was flawless of course, and I pulled out of the Death Star.

As the Death Star blew up, I was somehow caught in the blast and everything started to decay. There were familiar patterns of yellow and white clouds and I started to recall how many Star Wars-type dreams I have had. The memory patterns went way back into my childhood. And I could feel the excitement and joy I had as a child as I played this sort of game in the dream state. I noted that I was observing childhood dream memories that I had forgotten over time and thought that was a treasure in itself. I soon woke up and raced to my computer to write it all down.

Here is the link to the post now on Google Groups, hover over the post date and you'll see it was posted:

Jun 1, 1998, 12:00:00 AM

[link to groups.google.com (secure)]

And another fun themed dream from Feb 5, 1999.
[link to groups.google.com (secure)]

This dream I took my family on vacation to the Death Star... fun times.
[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]
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Hahah, yeah man I've manifested spacecraft a few times.
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Dreaming is practically my favorite part about this life.

Mall-world dreams are fucking amazing and luckily, I have them often.
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I've had the mall-world dreams too. I like active dream programming, so I can create a lot of my dream content. Here's one fun example.

[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]

And I have posts going back timestamped to 1998 where I do fun things with dreaming for art and entertainment. In this dream I become self-aware and decide to change the dream into a Star Wars themed space adventure. It's at the end of the post so I'll just paste the excerpt as it's a TLDR journal entry.

Excerpt:

Sitting in the truck, I start to think about what would be the most fun, adventurous thing I could experience at this moment. Being a big fan of Star Wars, I always wanted to fly an X-Wing fighter and take on the DeathStar. I look at the dash and it soon forms a cockpit. The truck molds into an x-wing and I am in space flying at top speeds into a wave of Tie-Fighters. There is laser fire everywhere and I am adjusting my shields.

"This is great! Perfect match!", I remarked as I looked at a reflection of myself. I looked exactly like Luke Skywalker and had a helmet on, with the orange and white spacesuit. I have a targeting computer and dive into battle. I open fire on a Tie-Fighter and it blows up in a blaze of glory. There are laser blasts hitting my ship and the ship rocks. I dive towards the Death Star and flew into the trench where the exhaust pipe should be located. I saw the target and fired my torpedoes. It was flawless of course, and I pulled out of the Death Star.

As the Death Star blew up, I was somehow caught in the blast and everything started to decay. There were familiar patterns of yellow and white clouds and I started to recall how many Star Wars-type dreams I have had. The memory patterns went way back into my childhood. And I could feel the excitement and joy I had as a child as I played this sort of game in the dream state. I noted that I was observing childhood dream memories that I had forgotten over time and thought that was a treasure in itself. I soon woke up and raced to my computer to write it all down.

Here is the link to the post now on Google Groups, hover over the post date and you'll see it was posted:

Jun 1, 1998, 12:00:00 AM

[link to groups.google.com (secure)]

And another fun themed dream from Feb 5, 1999.
[link to groups.google.com (secure)]

This dream I took my family on vacation to the Death Star... fun times.
[link to dreamingforgamers.com (secure)]
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Hahah, yeah man I've manifested spacecraft a few times.
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I gamify my dreams, it keeps me interested in what kind of next adventure lurks with sleep. But I like dreaming for art and entertainment as I see the dream canopy shaping towards the final-product as a 'run-time' artform, because it's like reality but infused with artistic fantasy that appears real. Nothing like it really... quite magical, yet all neurological.

Space adventures and space games are a must...
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I’ve had a lot of dreams come true. Science have anything to say about that?
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I train for combat during lucid dreams I program at will for various situations. It's like going to sleep thinking about something and then waking up doing it.


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I also enjoy dangerous things I like doing, without the danger or effort of actually doing them.

One of my favorite lucid dreams as a teenager was the marijuana forest.


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People who tell you that you are wasting your time when you sleep are fools, too. You can live a day in a few minutes worth of dreaming, and to be honest the biggest nightmare to me is when I am awake..
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I’ve had a lot of dreams come true. Science have anything to say about that?
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Your subconscious mind predicting a possible outcome to your current set of circumstances. Mine often involve numerous outcomes and possibilities and one of them usually does come true..


How many of them didn't come true?
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I quit dreaming over 20 years ago. I might remember a fraction of one maybe once a year or two. So this is a bad thing?
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Why do I dream in other people’s bodies? I always know it’s not me because my hands are not mine but I can never find a mirror to look at myself
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I’ve had a lot of dreams come true. Science have anything to say about that?
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It does, they have examples of that documented with hippocampal replay in rats where they dreamed of future maze patterns that showed up.

[link to www.sci-news.com]

And then there is this...
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I train for combat during lucid dreams I program at will for various situations. It's like going to sleep thinking about something and then waking up doing it.


.
I also enjoy dangerous things I like doing, without the danger or effort of actually doing them.

One of my favorite lucid dreams as a teenager was the marijuana forest.


cruise

People who tell you that you are wasting your time when you sleep are fools, too. You can live a day in a few minutes worth of dreaming, and to be honest the biggest nightmare to me is when I am awake..
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Follow a fool, become a fool I say... so yes listening to anyone shitting on dreaming so you stop developing in it is the path to stunted dream development and losing the ability as one ages out.

I like dream life way better than waking life as I've trained my dreams for BTL or better-than-life dreaming so that's expected. They really are that good.
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I quit dreaming over 20 years ago. I might remember a fraction of one maybe once a year or two. So this is a bad thing?
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Only if you enjoy dream participation. The loss is the development of the dreaming mind and how it declines without stimulation and development. Puts you in the dream rehabilitation category, and that recovery is slower than those still in the dream development category.

But it does come back slowly with training, likely not to peak levels but better than nothing. I'm not at my peak at 50 but cognitive decline with dreaming is unavoidable, one just needs to maintain and train so I still have lots of dreams and lucid dreams but just not as much as I used to.
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Why do I dream in other people’s bodies? I always know it’s not me because my hands are not mine but I can never find a mirror to look at myself
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We can have different dream 'avatars'... it's more common that most realize as we can fill a role in a dream narrative from a different perspective. I even have a course on how to do it willingly aka modify the avatar, go agent smith and take over another dream character from it's perspective (avatar swapping). More advanced techniques for sure, but useful in certain dream situations. If a dream character get's to antagonistic, I've taken it over completely by shifting my awareness from my current avatar into that one.

Or if I think a dream character looks interesting enough to swap perspectives, I sometimes do that (rare but interesting when successful).

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Dreaming is practically my favorite part about this life.

Mall-world dreams are fucking amazing and luckily, I have them often.
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The amusement park is out of this world.

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Dreaming is practically my favorite part about this life.

Mall-world dreams are fucking amazing and luckily, I have them often.
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The amusement park is out of this world.

lolsign
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OMG I love them... here's just one of many with the amusement park theme. Get's pretty epic towards the end.

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There are many types of dreams, lucid, precognitive, replays of the previous day/life experience, lifeskill development, astral travel, etc.

I've actually had dreams where I've experienced entire lifetimes in one night.

I've woken up with total amnesia, not knowing anything about my current life, until I'm fully awake.

I've astral traveled into dimensions that were closing behind me, where I've had to escape before I couldn't get back.

We can only guess as to the limits of sleep time, if there actually are any limits.


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Whatever it takes to best prepare the mind, body, and soul for another day in this interactive house of mirrors is what we experience.

My really vivid dreams turned out to be pivotal life experiences from previous incarnations and alternate time-lines. About a decade ago at a battlefield in NC, the past came to visit in the form of an out-of-body experience.

Standing at a plaque honoring the fallen, I leave my body and transition back in time to the actual battle. I'm now a soldier whose regiment is being ambushed in the marshy wooded area, heart is pounding. I fall to the ground after a projectile strikes my neck. After a few moments everything fades to black and I jump back into my body.

What really bakes my noodle is that I had dreamed of this exact experience in my younger days, and there's a birthmark on my neck in that same spot.

The significance of what we loosely refer to as dreams is much greater than we know.

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