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Case closed. "COVID 19" has never actually been isolated. The entire "pandemic" is based on computer sequencing/simulation

 
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One of the things that these sort of threads do is make me quite expert at identifying buses, trains, boats and planes. :)


I think the root cause of people rejecting the existence of viruses is a lack of basic understanding, so it is an easy way to preserve one's ego to simply dismiss their existence.

So Let's go over the basics and a little vocabulary.
I am not the expert in this area or even an informed layperson, but in the absence of anyone giving some background, I will take a wack at it. Because I am nothing if not a bull in a china shop. :)

Cells contain these twisted strands of DNA which are complex interminably long sequences of genes. To grow and live, some way of replicating that DNA is needed. Enter the Ribosome. A little factory that I think of as the part of a zipper that you grab onto, that merges or diverges the 2 sides of the zipper.

Stuff enters one end of the Ribosome, and the ribosome translates the genetic information pattern to make a new strand that mirrors itself, the RNA. This then becomes like a pattern for making new DNA in another Ribosome.

So you have these little molecular keys floating around and you have these little zipper and unzipper factories (ribosomes) floating around.
The virus is a set of keys from the outside that has flaws in the gene sequences, such that when they enter a Ribosome, the Ribocome creates a copy of the "Bogus RNA" as a mirror image Bogus DNA that then makes bogus RNA strands etc. until something breaks down. At some point, the cell physically explodes, destroying that bit of lung tissue or whatever, and the "virus" bogus mRNA strands are released to create new havoc in other cells, somewhat like a nuclear fission reaction.

The "virus questioners" seems to be asking for a jar of the virus similar to a jar of peanuts. Physically isolating the viral RNA. Well, the stuff is incredibly fragile, especially if not sitting in a cell's cytoplasm. Taken out of the body and put into a jar will result in the stuff falling apart very quickly, unless you cool it enough to stop molecular vibration sufficiently for the fragile thing to hold together. And having such a jar of virus would be kind of pointless. You still need an electron microscope to "look" at it. And the mere act of "looking at it", will likely destroy it.

In the real world, the virus overcomes its fragility so it can survive long enough to infect the next innocent mammal, by flying through the air or sitting on a surface along with some mucus and cytoplasm. Now it might survive for hours at room temperature. And by survive, I don't mean it is living, but simply "viable" or capable of starting a new infection in the new mammal.

So it would be wildly difficult to fill up a peanut jar full of virus particles only and it would offer no tangible benefit, hence, nobody is going to show you a jar full of virus. :)


Feel free to correct or point out errors. Like I said, I am only vaguely familiar with this stuff, but think everyone should at least have a basic understanding of the technology.
The article below gives a better description and I copied the intro paragraph to the article.


Replication, Transcription and Translation.

[link to www.khanacademy.org (secure)]

[link to bscb.org (secure)]

"A ribosome functions as a micro-machine for making proteins. Ribosomes are composed of special proteins and nucleic acids. The TRANSLATION of information and the Linking of AMINO ACIDS are at the heart of the protein production process.A ribosome, formed from two subunits locking together, functions to: (1) Translate encoded information from the cell nucleus provided by messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), (2) Link together amino acids selected and collected from the cytoplasm by transfer ribonucleic acid (tRNA). (The order in which the amino acids are linked together is determined by the mRNA) and, (3) Export the polypeptide produced to the cytoplasm where it will form a functional protein.

Ribosomes are found ‘free’ in the cytoplasm or bound to the endoplasmic reticulum (ER) to form rough ER. In a mammalian cell there can be as many as 10 million ribosomes. Several ribosomes can be attached to the same mRNA strand, this structure is called a polysome. Ribosomes have only a temporary existence. When they have synthesised a polypeptide the two sub-units separate and are either re-used or broken up" - Less than 50%

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Appologies if this has already been posted, but would appreciate your thoughts on this one. I notice that it is just an article though.
[link to www.scimex.org (secure)]
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They never say how they isolated it (odd as the article is title how it was isolated)

How we isolated it: we took a swab and isolated it.
(Wtf?)


Then it seems they used computer sequencing and called it covid because they say it matched the (Chinese) computer generated sequence.



Seems like bullshit to me. Maybe even propaganda to try to convince people the virus has been isolated when it is just computer sequencing.


If someone has a different take on it please share. Maybe there is a full study somewhere...
Check out this thread for important statistics which have showed (since early summer 2021) that Covid “Vaccine” is more likely to KILL YOU than save you:

Thread: COVID JAB statistically more likely to KILL YOU per official CDC DATA. You’re 3.87x more likely to die from the Pfizer vax than save your life!!
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OP, Will answer ASAP.
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No rush RHCP.

I appreciate your knowledge on the subject.
I hope I haven't been a pain I'm the ass in the questions I've asked you, but I want to wrap my brain around this. I requested a handful of books from the library last night and I'm taking my kids there in an hour or two to restock homeschool and get virus, prion, and organic chemistry books for me.


I'm enjoying this little exercise. I have learned a lot and I hope others have too.
Check out this thread for important statistics which have showed (since early summer 2021) that Covid “Vaccine” is more likely to KILL YOU than save you:

Thread: COVID JAB statistically more likely to KILL YOU per official CDC DATA. You’re 3.87x more likely to die from the Pfizer vax than save your life!!
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One of the things that these sort of threads do is make me quite expert at identifying buses, trains, boats and planes. :)


I think the root cause of people rejecting the existence of viruses is a lack of basic understanding, so it is an easy way to preserve one's ego to simply dismiss their existence.

So Let's go over the basics and a little vocabulary.
I am not the expert in this area or even an informed layperson, but in the absence of anyone giving some background, I will take a wack at it. Because I am nothing if not a bull in a china shop. :)

Cells contain these twisted strands of DNA which are complex interminably long sequences of genes. To grow and live, some way of replicating that DNA is needed. Enter the Ribosome. A little factory that I think of as the part of a zipper that you grab onto, that merges or diverges the 2 sides of the zipper.

Stuff enters one end of the Ribosome, and the ribosome translates the genetic information pattern to make a new strand that mirrors itself, the RNA. This then becomes like a pattern for making new DNA in another Ribosome.

So you have these little molecular keys floating around and you have these little zipper and unzipper factories (ribosomes) floating around.
The virus is a set of keys from the outside that has flaws in the gene sequences, such that when they enter a Ribosome, the Ribocome creates a copy of the "Bogus RNA" as a mirror image Bogus DNA that then makes bogus RNA strands etc. until something breaks down. At some point, the cell physically explodes, destroying that bit of lung tissue or whatever, and the "virus" bogus mRNA strands are released to create new havoc in other cells, somewhat like a nuclear fission reaction.

The "virus questioners" seems to be asking for a jar of the virus similar to a jar of peanuts. Physically isolating the viral RNA. Well, the stuff is incredibly fragile, especially if not sitting in a cell's cytoplasm. Taken out of the body and put into a jar will result in the stuff falling apart very quickly, unless you cool it enough to stop molecular vibration sufficiently for the fragile thing to hold together. And having such a jar of virus would be kind of pointless. You still need an electron microscope to "look" at it. And the mere act of "looking at it", will likely destroy it.

In the real world, the virus overcomes its fragility so it can survive long enough to infect the next innocent mammal, by flying through the air or sitting on a surface along with some mucus and cytoplasm. Now it might survive for hours at room temperature. And by survive, I don't mean it is living, but simply "viable" or capable of starting a new infection in the new mammal.

So it would be wildly difficult to fill up a peanut jar full of virus particles only and it would offer no tangible benefit, hence, nobody is going to show you a jar full of virus. :)


Feel free to correct or point out errors. Like I said, I am only vaguely familiar with this stuff, but think everyone should at least have a basic understanding of the technology.
The article below gives a better description and I copied the intro paragraph to the article.


Replication, Transcription and Translation.

[link to www.khanacademy.org (secure)]

[link to bscb.org (secure)]

"A ribosome functions as a micro-machine for making proteins. Ribosomes are composed of special proteins and nucleic acids. The TRANSLATION of information and the Linking of AMINO ACIDS are at the heart of the protein production process.A ribosome, formed from two subunits locking together, functions to: (1) Translate encoded information from the cell nucleus provided by messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), (2) Link together amino acids selected and collected from the cytoplasm by transfer ribonucleic acid (tRNA). (The order in which the amino acids are linked together is determined by the mRNA) and, (3) Export the polypeptide produced to the cytoplasm where it will form a functional protein.

Ribosomes are found ‘free’ in the cytoplasm or bound to the endoplasmic reticulum (ER) to form rough ER. In a mammalian cell there can be as many as 10 million ribosomes. Several ribosomes can be attached to the same mRNA strand, this structure is called a polysome. Ribosomes have only a temporary existence. When they have synthesised a polypeptide the two sub-units separate and are either re-used or broken up" - Less than 50%
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


Great post, thanks for contributing.


To follow your "bull in a china shop" lead, it is my understanding that a protein plays an important part, in this instance the SPIKE Protein (and we will come back to this)


Cells have receptors, which we can think of as little docking bays, doorways with locks that only allow the right key to enter.


The SPIKE protein seems to be a KEY that fits the Ace2 receptors, thus allowing it to open the cell and get stuff into the cell that doesn't belong there.





All of this has to happen BEFORE all the inside the cell rybosome RNA duplication zipper stuff happens...

And if I'm on the right track, that foreign broken Rna (aka the viral fragments) that fucks you up in the inside of the cell functions as a prion when outside of the cell.
(If I am wrong someone please correct me)






* I am also getting really proficient at the train/bus/boat game.
You think you can stump me? Bring it!

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Check out this thread for important statistics which have showed (since early summer 2021) that Covid “Vaccine” is more likely to KILL YOU than save you:

Thread: COVID JAB statistically more likely to KILL YOU per official CDC DATA. You’re 3.87x more likely to die from the Pfizer vax than save your life!!
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Crazy tin foil hat theory:



So it seems all the studies say "we isolated Covid 19 because our genome sequencing matches the consensus genome sequence"


... Which is the genome sequencing released from CHINA




which they have because...




They MADE IT!?!?!





Could it be?

They were doing gain of function research.
Revealing the method of INITIAL genome sequencing then could spotlight that it is a bioweapon and PAID FOR AND DESIGNED by the very people claiming to be our medical guidance and saviors?






Gotta go find my tin foil hat.
Chew on that for a minute...

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Check out this thread for important statistics which have showed (since early summer 2021) that Covid “Vaccine” is more likely to KILL YOU than save you:

Thread: COVID JAB statistically more likely to KILL YOU per official CDC DATA. You’re 3.87x more likely to die from the Pfizer vax than save your life!!
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Crazy tin foil hat theory:



So it seems all the studies say "we isolated Covid 19 because our genome sequencing matches the consensus genome sequence"


... Which is the genome sequencing released from CHINA




which they have because...




They MADE IT!?!?!





Could it be?

They were doing gain of function research.
Revealing the method of INITIAL genome sequencing then could spotlight that it is a bioweapon and PAID FOR AND DESIGNED by the very people claiming to be our medical guidance and saviors?






Gotta go find my tin foil hat.
Chew on that for a minute...
 Quoting: Dr. Feelgood


I have zero doubt that this is an artificially made virus, no doubt overseen by Fauci and which he has been lying to congress about (Rand Paul) under oath. The "virus gain of function" was done in Wuhan to circumvent laws prohibiting it in the US.

Unfortunately, most of our senators have zero technical or medical knowledge, leaving Rand Paul to carry the ball by himself.

The vaccine supposedly is a form of virus in itself, that hijacks the ribosomes and forces them to make more spikes. Those spike supposedly will attach to blood cells and the epithelial lining of blood vessels, leading to clots and blockages.

Basically, this is all a horror show without the popcorn.
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JustMe, you are an intelligent guy, and I appreciate your input.

It took me a long time to come to terms that there was some degree of fuckery in this thing, but there is.

I am not a virus disbeliever, in the sense that I know viruses exist. I am an Agricultural Engineer and I had entry level virology formation, so I really get amused by the denial of the existence of viruses.

But the case here is that, yes, there are Electron Micrographs of coronaviruses, and yes there are some gene sequences associated to a SARS CoV 2, but the genetic identification and sequentiation being performed is all based on matches to the original information received from China, and the original biological samples were never shared and were also allegedly ordered to be destroyed.

So yes, there is a coronavirus that gets labelled as SARS CoV 2, but the gene sequence from the Chinese is the only original source being used to identify it, and everyone refers to it.

So, in this sense, the virus has never been idependently isolated and everyone identifying it is using a genetic fingerprint that was given to them.

See the problem and why so many people have asked for the virus isolate and have received that there is none available?
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


I agree with a lot of what you say here, but offer one question.


Is it possible "viruses" are not what they are presented to be by the general consensus?

If you are talking about viruses in general, no. Viruses exist, they can be isolated and even cultivated. With the proper techniques they can be even purified to obtain pure viral particles. There is a particular kind of viruses, those that bind specific to bacteria, that were researched for decades as an alternative, safe and non resistance inducing alternative to antibiotics within the former Soviet block, and all that research was lost after the iron curtain fell because it was not patentable and lacked commercial incentive.


Could they be non living protein or DNA or cell fragments, which CAN cause harm, could link to receptors like ACE2 receptors and open up cells for other problems to occur, and reek havoc on the body?

Viruses are not alive in a strict sense. They could be thought of as the highest form of organic chemistry that is capable of hijacking a living host to produce copies of itself. On the other hand, the so called “spike protein”, given that is capable of causing disease by itself, could be called a new kind of toxic protein. It doesn’t fit the definition of prions, but could be said that is a new type of prion.


But they are not the germ like entities which science would have us believe?

The term germs is outdated. Viruses a exist in nature as viral particles. Some of them are pathogenic (They can cause disease) when they find a host sensitive to them. Other viruses are unable to cause disease (as the kind of viruses called bacteriophages) and Can even be useful to combat bacterial (also fungal) diseases.

And maybe Big Pharma portrays this communicable pandemic "virus" because they make BILLIONS selling us vaccines and pills to treat a thing we could possibly even avoid entirely with good diet, sleep, vitamin C and D?

Big Pharma has been doing that since they found out they could make billions by creating vaccines that weren’t really needed. Case in point: Gardassil.

I definitely think the whole pandemic is a scam to push the vaccines. I initially thought there was a dangerous weaponized virus, that is no longer my view, I think there is something causing a disease but it can be properly treated. The scam is the whole media and government unholy alliance to scare people into thinking whatever is causing the disease is lethal and that the only solution is the jabs. The virus was the scare to get everyone jabbed and they have been rather successful in that scheme and people have subdued their rights for a scam. Is not only about money tho, the jab is also a depopulation agenda, a social control and social conformation tool, and there’s a probability that is also a first stage of mind and behavior control system.




If you disagree strongly please tell me why and if possible illustrate examples to demonstrate your stance.


Is it possible we are being fed a very very profitable lie?

Which conveniently ties into top down authoritarian control?
 Quoting: Dr. Feelgood

 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


OK, thank you and I think you cover the entire situation pretty well and I agree with most of your points.

Trying to break it down in some sort of order, here are my comments, which mostly align with what you said, perhaps just saying a bit differently.

The virus was developed and sequenced over years of research in level 4 biolabs in the US and the new one in Wuhan China.

I suppose the US involved the China lab to save money in the work and also to take advantage of an environment that might bypass some of the safeguards that the US industry imposes on bioweapon development. Over the years of development work, I believe they had the entire gene sequence. (nobody started from scratch and generated the full genome in the approx. 2 weeks between the public announcement of the virus being in the wild and their announcement that they had the full gene map and were publishing it to share with the world.) (my opinion)

Every vaccine maker then tried to "one up" each other declaring they could make a vaccine with that info in 48 hours or some such egotistical posturing announcements meant to drive up their share prices.

Anyway, the lab in China benefitted the US biowarfare team, because they could safely conduct their evil virus enhancements free from watchdog oversight. And it benefitted China, because they (as eloquently expressed in their retiring general's farewell speech, they needed a way to wipe out the population of the US, thus "cleaning it up", so they could move here to live. He said their homeland was far too polluted, crowded and resource poor to sustain their population and they had to expand. And the US would stop that expansion unless we were mostly dead).

Now, whether or not this disease release was their intended virus for that purpose or just perhaps some intermediate step that accidentally got loose due to their faulty procedures or faulty equipment is anyone's guess.

The fact remains that a virus was released. It is pretty nasty in that it goes straight for the lungs, wrecks the lung tissue and has the ability to shut off the immune response until it has replicated throughout the body and has caused varying degrees of lung damage ranging from minor to a dead patient.

Being based on a corona virus, this is a new level of lethality given to the "common cold" which was never viewed as life threatening in the past. People got colds, they blew their noses for a week and they recovered. So this enhanced lethality version was a step change in what the little round viruses could do.

Thank god or whatever you believe in, that doctors discovered Ivermectin which blocked at a fundamental level, the ability of the virus to keep your immune system turned off. and it blocks the method by which the virus can inject its payload of goodies into your cell nucleus. (by binding with Imp alpha and beta, making them unavailable to the virus).

We know that by rejecting this solution outright, demonizing it and its proponents, and censoring any sort of articles or reports of its effectiveness, that the goal of Fauci, the NIH, Gates and whoever else is setting policy, that they care nothing about the health of the citizens of the US and the World. Their single minded pushing of the vaccines and nothing but the vaccines shows that they are simply working on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies.

And as a second objective, this has given government a tool to impose new rules and enforcement policies by virtue of a
program of spreading weaponized fear among the population.

And it seems if you believe the researchers in Europe, that beyond developing some sort of targetted gene based vaccine, they also added graphene hyroxide molecular ribbons, which develop a slight negative charge that keeps them in suspension and if injected into the bloodstream, will cut the delicate smooth epithelial cell lining of the blood vessels as well as to shred red blood cells. Such that any vaccines injected into the bloodstream result in rapid death from massive clotting as the body lays down cholesterol to attempt repair of the blood vessels as they are continually sliced up by the circulating super sharp graphene ribbons.

Untreated, the COvid19 was found to present very little risk of death for those under 60 yrs old and essentially zero risk of death for those under say 35 to 40.

To insist upon vaccinating children is wholly unwarranted and demonstrates an intent to kill, plain and simple.

The other problem with a vaccine based approach to containing and stopping the virus, is the well known speed with which corona virii mutate. there are probably hundreds of mutations already. They only name the ones that are considered dangerous enough to be "of interest".

Throughout this pandemic, they have ignored science completely. Told people to wear masks. If a mask approach was to have any value, they would have to meet certain standards. N95, P100 cartridge respirators fitted into a face conforming rubbery type respirator appliance by a real company like 3M or one of its peers. Not some homemade thing made from left over pajamas. And not disposable respirators that bypass approx 5% of the air along the inadequate cheek and nose seal.

The science says the only way to wipe out the virus is by giving the population a prophylactic dose regime of Ivermectin long enough for people's own natural immune systems to wipe out the virus.

Is it a real virus? Yes, but not the influenza type. A step change in the lethality of the common cold virus. Still not terribly lethal, but much worse than the cold virus has been historically.

Ivermectin alone will wipe this out, without masks, without social distancing, without lock-downs, and most certainly without vaccines. Vaccines, even if perfect, cannot win this battle. The virus mutates way too fast, and these organizations that bragged that they could crank out a full gene map in a week and a vaccine 48 hours later have developed NO NEW VACCINE FOR ANY OF THE NEW VARIANTS that have emerged in the last 2 years. Why??

The proof that Ivermectin will wipe it out is in Africa.
Countries there that are giving the population Ivermectin already in low doses to prevent the onch worm infections, has already shown the efficacy of an Ivermectin program, quite by accident. If the program was followed with proper intent to combat covid, covid would simply disappear.

[link to www.scielo.org.co]

[link to www.scielo.org.co]

Hope that helps.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi



Can you expand on this? Or maybe point me in the right direction to find out more on this?




And it seems if you believe the researchers in Europe, that beyond developing some sort of targetted gene based vaccine, they also added graphene hyroxide molecular ribbons, which develop a slight negative charge that keeps them in suspension and if injected into the bloodstream, will cut the delicate smooth epithelial cell lining of the blood vessels as well as to shred red blood cells. Such that any vaccines injected into the bloodstream result in rapid death from massive clotting as the body lays down cholesterol to attempt repair of the blood vessels as they are continually sliced up by the circulating super sharp graphene ribbons.



I saw several Bitchute videos where scientists, I wanna say from Portugal??, eere discussing electron microscope studies and images of vaxxed blood, and talking about graphene oxide. But it was not in English and I guess I didn't have the patience to sit through the whole thing.


Where did you here about the "super sharp graphene ribbons slicing thru epithelial tissue" ?


That certainly makes sense and would help explain the blood clots.
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I agree with a lot of what you say here, but offer one question.


Is it possible "viruses" are not what they are presented to be by the general consensus?

If you are talking about viruses in general, no. Viruses exist, they can be isolated and even cultivated. With the proper techniques they can be even purified to obtain pure viral particles. There is a particular kind of viruses, those that bind specific to bacteria, that were researched for decades as an alternative, safe and non resistance inducing alternative to antibiotics within the former Soviet block, and all that research was lost after the iron curtain fell because it was not patentable and lacked commercial incentive.


Could they be non living protein or DNA or cell fragments, which CAN cause harm, could link to receptors like ACE2 receptors and open up cells for other problems to occur, and reek havoc on the body?

Viruses are not alive in a strict sense. They could be thought of as the highest form of organic chemistry that is capable of hijacking a living host to produce copies of itself. On the other hand, the so called “spike protein”, given that is capable of causing disease by itself, could be called a new kind of toxic protein. It doesn’t fit the definition of prions, but could be said that is a new type of prion.


But they are not the germ like entities which science would have us believe?

The term germs is outdated. Viruses a exist in nature as viral particles. Some of them are pathogenic (They can cause disease) when they find a host sensitive to them. Other viruses are unable to cause disease (as the kind of viruses called bacteriophages) and Can even be useful to combat bacterial (also fungal) diseases.

And maybe Big Pharma portrays this communicable pandemic "virus" because they make BILLIONS selling us vaccines and pills to treat a thing we could possibly even avoid entirely with good diet, sleep, vitamin C and D?

Big Pharma has been doing that since they found out they could make billions by creating vaccines that weren’t really needed. Case in point: Gardassil.

I definitely think the whole pandemic is a scam to push the vaccines. I initially thought there was a dangerous weaponized virus, that is no longer my view, I think there is something causing a disease but it can be properly treated. The scam is the whole media and government unholy alliance to scare people into thinking whatever is causing the disease is lethal and that the only solution is the jabs. The virus was the scare to get everyone jabbed and they have been rather successful in that scheme and people have subdued their rights for a scam. Is not only about money tho, the jab is also a depopulation agenda, a social control and social conformation tool, and there’s a probability that is also a first stage of mind and behavior control system.




If you disagree strongly please tell me why and if possible illustrate examples to demonstrate your stance.


Is it possible we are being fed a very very profitable lie?

Which conveniently ties into top down authoritarian control?
 Quoting: Dr. Feelgood

 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


OK, thank you and I think you cover the entire situation pretty well and I agree with most of your points.

Trying to break it down in some sort of order, here are my comments, which mostly align with what you said, perhaps just saying a bit differently.

The virus was developed and sequenced over years of research in level 4 biolabs in the US and the new one in Wuhan China.

I suppose the US involved the China lab to save money in the work and also to take advantage of an environment that might bypass some of the safeguards that the US industry imposes on bioweapon development. Over the years of development work, I believe they had the entire gene sequence. (nobody started from scratch and generated the full genome in the approx. 2 weeks between the public announcement of the virus being in the wild and their announcement that they had the full gene map and were publishing it to share with the world.) (my opinion)

Every vaccine maker then tried to "one up" each other declaring they could make a vaccine with that info in 48 hours or some such egotistical posturing announcements meant to drive up their share prices.

Anyway, the lab in China benefitted the US biowarfare team, because they could safely conduct their evil virus enhancements free from watchdog oversight. And it benefitted China, because they (as eloquently expressed in their retiring general's farewell speech, they needed a way to wipe out the population of the US, thus "cleaning it up", so they could move here to live. He said their homeland was far too polluted, crowded and resource poor to sustain their population and they had to expand. And the US would stop that expansion unless we were mostly dead).

Now, whether or not this disease release was their intended virus for that purpose or just perhaps some intermediate step that accidentally got loose due to their faulty procedures or faulty equipment is anyone's guess.

The fact remains that a virus was released. It is pretty nasty in that it goes straight for the lungs, wrecks the lung tissue and has the ability to shut off the immune response until it has replicated throughout the body and has caused varying degrees of lung damage ranging from minor to a dead patient.

Being based on a corona virus, this is a new level of lethality given to the "common cold" which was never viewed as life threatening in the past. People got colds, they blew their noses for a week and they recovered. So this enhanced lethality version was a step change in what the little round viruses could do.

Thank god or whatever you believe in, that doctors discovered Ivermectin which blocked at a fundamental level, the ability of the virus to keep your immune system turned off. and it blocks the method by which the virus can inject its payload of goodies into your cell nucleus. (by binding with Imp alpha and beta, making them unavailable to the virus).

We know that by rejecting this solution outright, demonizing it and its proponents, and censoring any sort of articles or reports of its effectiveness, that the goal of Fauci, the NIH, Gates and whoever else is setting policy, that they care nothing about the health of the citizens of the US and the World. Their single minded pushing of the vaccines and nothing but the vaccines shows that they are simply working on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies.

And as a second objective, this has given government a tool to impose new rules and enforcement policies by virtue of a
program of spreading weaponized fear among the population.

And it seems if you believe the researchers in Europe, that beyond developing some sort of targetted gene based vaccine, they also added graphene hyroxide molecular ribbons, which develop a slight negative charge that keeps them in suspension and if injected into the bloodstream, will cut the delicate smooth epithelial cell lining of the blood vessels as well as to shred red blood cells. Such that any vaccines injected into the bloodstream result in rapid death from massive clotting as the body lays down cholesterol to attempt repair of the blood vessels as they are continually sliced up by the circulating super sharp graphene ribbons.

Untreated, the COvid19 was found to present very little risk of death for those under 60 yrs old and essentially zero risk of death for those under say 35 to 40.

To insist upon vaccinating children is wholly unwarranted and demonstrates an intent to kill, plain and simple.

The other problem with a vaccine based approach to containing and stopping the virus, is the well known speed with which corona virii mutate. there are probably hundreds of mutations already. They only name the ones that are considered dangerous enough to be "of interest".

Throughout this pandemic, they have ignored science completely. Told people to wear masks. If a mask approach was to have any value, they would have to meet certain standards. N95, P100 cartridge respirators fitted into a face conforming rubbery type respirator appliance by a real company like 3M or one of its peers. Not some homemade thing made from left over pajamas. And not disposable respirators that bypass approx 5% of the air along the inadequate cheek and nose seal.

The science says the only way to wipe out the virus is by giving the population a prophylactic dose regime of Ivermectin long enough for people's own natural immune systems to wipe out the virus.

Is it a real virus? Yes, but not the influenza type. A step change in the lethality of the common cold virus. Still not terribly lethal, but much worse than the cold virus has been historically.

Ivermectin alone will wipe this out, without masks, without social distancing, without lock-downs, and most certainly without vaccines. Vaccines, even if perfect, cannot win this battle. The virus mutates way too fast, and these organizations that bragged that they could crank out a full gene map in a week and a vaccine 48 hours later have developed NO NEW VACCINE FOR ANY OF THE NEW VARIANTS that have emerged in the last 2 years. Why??

The proof that Ivermectin will wipe it out is in Africa.
Countries there that are giving the population Ivermectin already in low doses to prevent the onch worm infections, has already shown the efficacy of an Ivermectin program, quite by accident. If the program was followed with proper intent to combat covid, covid would simply disappear.

[link to www.scielo.org.co]

[link to www.scielo.org.co]

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Can you expand on this? Or maybe point me in the right direction to find out more on this?




And it seems if you believe the researchers in Europe, that beyond developing some sort of targetted gene based vaccine, they also added graphene hyroxide molecular ribbons, which develop a slight negative charge that keeps them in suspension and if injected into the bloodstream, will cut the delicate smooth epithelial cell lining of the blood vessels as well as to shred red blood cells. Such that any vaccines injected into the bloodstream result in rapid death from massive clotting as the body lays down cholesterol to attempt repair of the blood vessels as they are continually sliced up by the circulating super sharp graphene ribbons.



I saw several Bitchute videos where scientists, I wanna say from Portugal??, eere discussing electron microscope studies and images of vaxxed blood, and talking about graphene oxide. But it was not in English and I guess I didn't have the patience to sit through the whole thing.


Where did you here about the "super sharp graphene ribbons slicing thru epithelial tissue" ?


That certainly makes sense and would help explain the blood clots.
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Sure, it was this thread .

Thread: GERMAN CHEMISTRY PHD MURDERED TODAY FOR THIS WARNING:


Specifically, this video from a German Doctor

[link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]

Here was the synopsis I put together at someone's request.
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This German Professor-Doctor made this video 2 days ago I presume from the date stamp. He obtained his PhD in carbon nanochemistry and has started a company to make carbon nanoproducts.

He says the Vaccines contain graphene hydroxide, which act like razors if injected into the bloodstream. He says the mRNA aspect of the vaccines cannot produce (or explain) the immediate effects that are being seen from the vaccines, but this graphene hydroxide can. 48 hours after making this video dated Nov 26, he was killed.

Graphene is a sheet of what are essentially benzene rings which have merged together like a sheet of paper, 1 atom thick. The electrons are all mobile about the rings and shared by the molecule. He drew a graphene sheet that is 2 benzene rings X several hundred benzene rings long. Attached to the outer corners of the benzene rings, he drew OH hydroxyl groups. Taking care to say this is not graphene oxide (which is a double bond to the oxygen atoms, but a single bond OH group).
Looks sort of like this, except only 2 rings high, not 3 as in this picture. Then this strip extended hundreds of times to the right, and with hydroxyl groups on the outer corners of the rings.
[link to theskepticalchemist.com (secure)]

More like a sharp ribbon I would say.

He said he confirmed the presence of this substance using micro Raman Spectroscopy. This technique excites the test molecule with a laser, then detects the stokes and anti-stokes scatter beams and measures their frequency shifts.
The energy associated with the frequency shifts then reveals the electron orbital shifts of the test material, revealing its nature. I am no expert on the technique, just a Chem E. Trying to give as much info as I can.

Anyway, he confirms detection of this substance on the basis of his credentials, which from what he said, are second to none.

As you can imagine, a sheet of paper (graphene is immensely strong) 1 atom thick can and will give you one heck of a paper cut! Having it flow in suspension throughout the bloodstream (if incorrectly injected so it enters the bloodstream), would slice and dice everything. The smooth epithelial cell layer of your arteries and veins, (as well as your blood cells which he did not mention).

The "vaccine" is now being administered by semi skilled workers, so there is no control over whether these injections are hitting veins or not. I don't know if it eventually works its way into a vein if injected perfectly (into muscle only), but he is clear in saying that if this stuff is injected into a vein, death will result.

In the video, he was inviting a vigorous scientific debate, and would discuss with anyone his assertions. He said this is how science works. A vigorous debate. Not a mandated, experimental vaccine with all questions and dissenting opinion suppressed by the authorities.

He made a few other points, like the molecule would eject one of the OH hydrogen atoms (H+), which would leave the overall molecule with a slight negative charge, which would keep it in suspension in the bloodstream. He said that graphene is tough enough to make brake pad from. (It is like asbestos, and cannot be broken down in the body).

Fibers made from graphene strands have also been studied to make a cable that could enable a space elevator concept to work. (no other substance known to man has the strength to weight ratio of graphene). I added this paragraph, he did not say this part.

In the references it listed this paper on use of Raman Spectroscopy to find the Graphene in the vaccines.
I believe this was the original work that discovered the graphene in the covid vaccine. by Dr. Pablo Campra at the University of Almeria, Spain. He has since performed additional testing to confirm I believe.

[link to www.researchgate.net (secure)]

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One of the things that these sort of threads do is make me quite expert at identifying buses, trains, boats and planes. :)


I think the root cause of people rejecting the existence of viruses is a lack of basic understanding, so it is an easy way to preserve one's ego to simply dismiss their existence.

So Let's go over the basics and a little vocabulary.
I am not the expert in this area or even an informed layperson, but in the absence of anyone giving some background, I will take a wack at it. Because I am nothing if not a bull in a china shop. :)

Cells contain these twisted strands of DNA which are complex interminably long sequences of genes. To grow and live, some way of replicating that DNA is needed. Enter the Ribosome. A little factory that I think of as the part of a zipper that you grab onto, that merges or diverges the 2 sides of the zipper.

Stuff enters one end of the Ribosome, and the ribosome translates the genetic information pattern to make a new strand that mirrors itself, the RNA. This then becomes like a pattern for making new DNA in another Ribosome.

So you have these little molecular keys floating around and you have these little zipper and unzipper factories (ribosomes) floating around.
The virus is a set of keys from the outside that has flaws in the gene sequences, such that when they enter a Ribosome, the Ribocome creates a copy of the "Bogus RNA" as a mirror image Bogus DNA that then makes bogus RNA strands etc. until something breaks down. At some point, the cell physically explodes, destroying that bit of lung tissue or whatever, and the "virus" bogus mRNA strands are released to create new havoc in other cells, somewhat like a nuclear fission reaction.

The "virus questioners" seems to be asking for a jar of the virus similar to a jar of peanuts. Physically isolating the viral RNA. Well, the stuff is incredibly fragile, especially if not sitting in a cell's cytoplasm. Taken out of the body and put into a jar will result in the stuff falling apart very quickly, unless you cool it enough to stop molecular vibration sufficiently for the fragile thing to hold together. And having such a jar of virus would be kind of pointless. You still need an electron microscope to "look" at it. And the mere act of "looking at it", will likely destroy it.

In the real world, the virus overcomes its fragility so it can survive long enough to infect the next innocent mammal, by flying through the air or sitting on a surface along with some mucus and cytoplasm. Now it might survive for hours at room temperature. And by survive, I don't mean it is living, but simply "viable" or capable of starting a new infection in the new mammal.

So it would be wildly difficult to fill up a peanut jar full of virus particles only and it would offer no tangible benefit, hence, nobody is going to show you a jar full of virus. :)


Feel free to correct or point out errors. Like I said, I am only vaguely familiar with this stuff, but think everyone should at least have a basic understanding of the technology.
The article below gives a better description and I copied the intro paragraph to the article.


Replication, Transcription and Translation.

[link to www.khanacademy.org (secure)]

[link to bscb.org (secure)]

"A ribosome functions as a micro-machine for making proteins. Ribosomes are composed of special proteins and nucleic acids. The TRANSLATION of information and the Linking of AMINO ACIDS are at the heart of the protein production process.A ribosome, formed from two subunits locking together, functions to: (1) Translate encoded information from the cell nucleus provided by messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), (2) Link together amino acids selected and collected from the cytoplasm by transfer ribonucleic acid (tRNA). (The order in which the amino acids are linked together is determined by the mRNA) and, (3) Export the polypeptide produced to the cytoplasm where it will form a functional protein.

Ribosomes are found ‘free’ in the cytoplasm or bound to the endoplasmic reticulum (ER) to form rough ER. In a mammalian cell there can be as many as 10 million ribosomes. Several ribosomes can be attached to the same mRNA strand, this structure is called a polysome. Ribosomes have only a temporary existence. When they have synthesised a polypeptide the two sub-units separate and are either re-used or broken up" - Less than 50%
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One of the things that these sort of threads do is make me quite expert at identifying buses, trains, boats and planes. :)


I think the root cause of people rejecting the existence of viruses is a lack of basic understanding, so it is an easy way to preserve one's ego to simply dismiss their existence.

So Let's go over the basics and a little vocabulary.
I am not the expert in this area or even an informed layperson, but in the absence of anyone giving some background, I will take a wack at it. Because I am nothing if not a bull in a china shop. :)

Cells contain these twisted strands of DNA which are complex interminably long sequences of genes. To grow and live, some way of replicating that DNA is needed. Enter the Ribosome. A little factory that I think of as the part of a zipper that you grab onto, that merges or diverges the 2 sides of the zipper.

Stuff enters one end of the Ribosome, and the ribosome translates the genetic information pattern to make a new strand that mirrors itself, the RNA. This then becomes like a pattern for making new DNA in another Ribosome.

So you have these little molecular keys floating around and you have these little zipper and unzipper factories (ribosomes) floating around.
The virus is a set of keys from the outside that has flaws in the gene sequences, such that when they enter a Ribosome, the Ribocome creates a copy of the "Bogus RNA" as a mirror image Bogus DNA that then makes bogus RNA strands etc. until something breaks down. At some point, the cell physically explodes, destroying that bit of lung tissue or whatever, and the "virus" bogus mRNA strands are released to create new havoc in other cells, somewhat like a nuclear fission reaction.

The "virus questioners" seems to be asking for a jar of the virus similar to a jar of peanuts. Physically isolating the viral RNA. Well, the stuff is incredibly fragile, especially if not sitting in a cell's cytoplasm. Taken out of the body and put into a jar will result in the stuff falling apart very quickly, unless you cool it enough to stop molecular vibration sufficiently for the fragile thing to hold together. And having such a jar of virus would be kind of pointless. You still need an electron microscope to "look" at it. And the mere act of "looking at it", will likely destroy it.

In the real world, the virus overcomes its fragility so it can survive long enough to infect the next innocent mammal, by flying through the air or sitting on a surface along with some mucus and cytoplasm. Now it might survive for hours at room temperature. And by survive, I don't mean it is living, but simply "viable" or capable of starting a new infection in the new mammal.

So it would be wildly difficult to fill up a peanut jar full of virus particles only and it would offer no tangible benefit, hence, nobody is going to show you a jar full of virus. :)


Feel free to correct or point out errors. Like I said, I am only vaguely familiar with this stuff, but think everyone should at least have a basic understanding of the technology.
The article below gives a better description and I copied the intro paragraph to the article.


Replication, Transcription and Translation.

[link to www.khanacademy.org (secure)]

[link to bscb.org (secure)]

"A ribosome functions as a micro-machine for making proteins. Ribosomes are composed of special proteins and nucleic acids. The TRANSLATION of information and the Linking of AMINO ACIDS are at the heart of the protein production process.A ribosome, formed from two subunits locking together, functions to: (1) Translate encoded information from the cell nucleus provided by messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), (2) Link together amino acids selected and collected from the cytoplasm by transfer ribonucleic acid (tRNA). (The order in which the amino acids are linked together is determined by the mRNA) and, (3) Export the polypeptide produced to the cytoplasm where it will form a functional protein.

Ribosomes are found ‘free’ in the cytoplasm or bound to the endoplasmic reticulum (ER) to form rough ER. In a mammalian cell there can be as many as 10 million ribosomes. Several ribosomes can be attached to the same mRNA strand, this structure is called a polysome. Ribosomes have only a temporary existence. When they have synthesised a polypeptide the two sub-units separate and are either re-used or broken up" - Less than 50%
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Do you think a suit of old passports would protect you from the virus.
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Are you my CIA handler? :)

Old passports as we both know, survived a plane crash and massive fireball on 9-11 without the slightest damage.
Old passports are also sentient and can jump out of a guy's pocket when it senses impending doom, for an easy glide down to Earth. Probably a few passports on the ground still waiting to be discovered where the Challenger exploded.

If you send a CIA agent to the ground under the Challenger explosion on a windy day, I am sure the passports will hitch a ride on a gust of wind and drop into his hands.

I am making everything out of old passports now. Clothing, the bumper on my car, and one of those Captain America shields. (they were out of Vibranium at the Shield store).

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I wanted to chime in here again, just because I was looking for sources to back up my assertion that viral particles can be isolated and purified, and, for example, presented a as lyophilized dust. This is something that, from time to time is mentioned in movies and literature,but most people don't get it because they lack the basic technical understanding, but, as one example, it is mentioned in one of the Da Vinci code movies (Inferno) when they talk of how to move the virus being created to decimate mankind.

I found a paper that had studied that for inluenza virus (believe or not, there's a need to store viral particles for research purposes, and they use a lot of storage volume and require deep freezing which is not as available as one might think, so people have studied if viral particles can be stored as a lyophilisate at less cold temperatures and using a lot less volume. It is key to understand that viral particles can only be "cultured" in live cells, because what viruses do is hijacking live cells to make copies of the viral particles until the cell literally bursts and releases the viral particles. These can then be lifted in an aqueous media, separated by simple membrane processes, and then lyophilised to obtain a dust that can be stored for 6 months in an ordinary house freezer.

Bear in mind that when I was in the University 23 years ago and took biotechnology courses, it was already technically feasible to create new viruses with the biotechnological tools of that time, which have only improved since. So, making a completely new virus at this point of time is something that only requires will and money, all the tools are available.
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Another great post RHCP. You are killing it with the knowledge you bring to this topic.

I have a few questions, maybe you can answer or help point me in the right direction. I hope you don't mind my attempt to pick your brain. No rush,no pressure but if you can help me understand things better or guide me to where I can learn more I would appreciate it.



1a- Why do you think no one has published a study using the method you mention in the first paragraph above?
(Or has anyone done this?)


viral particles can be isolated and purified, and, for example, presented a as lyophilized dust




2- you state the following


it was already technically feasible to create new viruses with the biotechnological tools of that time, which have only improved since


Would creating new viruses or modifying viruses leave any sort of "digital fingerprint" that would upon proper examination demonstrate that the virus being studied has been "created" or altered?

It's a tricky question, of course that if the new virus is created for reseach purposes, it would probably bear a lot of tell tales that are associated with the use of biotechnological tools. In these case the "digital fingerprint" would be more of a "genetic marker fingerprint". It has already been said that the alleged SARS CoV 2 "natural origin story" has a lot of mathematical inconsistencies when the gene sequence is studied in depth. I never bought the natural origin so that point is moot, anyway. Also bear in mind that the so called S1 and S2 segments of coronaviruses have been patented for several uses even before year 2000, so nothing of this is really new, technologically wise, all that has happened since is that the tools have improved in capacity in these years.

3- I believe you mentioned prions or something acting like prions in a previous post, can you elaborate on this?


I read somewhere that DNA is only ever found in the nucleus of human cells, and that mRNA is also usually only found in certain areas inside the cell. (Ribosomes? Cytoplast?) And that source said that when RNA material is in the body outside of the cell it can function like prions. Is this correct?

What are prions?
(This is on my library research list)

I believe I have read they can cause symptoms similar to dementia.
I suspect this may have been involved in my friends double jabbed (and possibly boostered) mom dying at age 70 after being diagnosed with rapid onset dementia, then declining rapidly and dying.

I learnt the term prion in the context of the causant agent of the spongiform encephalitys, the most popular of which is the "mad cow disease" but of which exists several types. Based in the much less famous one named "Kuru" that was more frequently observed in some cannibalistic tribes of New Guinea, I have long held the hypothesis that the Spongiform Encephalitys is the way nature discourages cannibalism.

Prions are a protein that is a variant of a natural form that presents a different conformation that can cause disease, and that can, by a mechanism still under study, an spontaneous change on the configuration of the "healthy" form, that starts to be formed in the pathogenic form and never reverts to the "healthy" or "original" form. Prions involved in spongiform encephalitys are normally short protein sequences that "fold" the wrong way, or in other words, have an altered 3D configuration, even if the amino acid sequence is the same. These proteins accumulate in the brain and cause damage that destroys the neurones and is often rather quickly lethal since the onset of the associated and obvious dementia symptoms.


The Spike Protein is not a prion per se. But as a synthetic protein,in the sense that it may have been created through genetic engineering instead of naturally created by evolution of wild Coronaviruses spikes, and is pathogenic per se, it could be said, in that regard, a prion like protein. It has also been already studied and found to contain, embedded in the total, short aminoacid sequences that match the sequence of known disease causing prions, and, because of this, it would not be possible to absolutey discard that after injection with an mRNA "vaccine" and during the existence of the resulting spike proteins in the body, and their degradation, part of those prion sequences could be released and cause the prion disease, as prions are considered highly contagious


4- Dr Thomas Cowan claims he has replicated the most common methods used to verify/prove viruses, following the method exactly but never introducing any viral material, and achieved the same results as the $cience which is used to promote virology, and subsequently vaccines etc.

Can you comment on this?


Edit: here it is



13:35 he discussed how virologists do studies
16min he discusses his experiment


I'll edit and post the video where he says it so you can hear him discuss the methods. (from memory he did the monkey kidney cell culture, bovine cells, starved the cells, then introduced something maybe antibiotic which broke down the cell, leaving fractured cell material which he is saying is wrongly being called virus. Excuse my mistakes, I'll get the video so you can hear his words and method exactly)

This is a very good question and a big part of the current problem we have when official or mainstream science imposes its criteria. One has to be able to differentiate a method to reproduce a virus from a method to prove a virus is present in a problem sample.

What Dr. Cowan describes as being used as a way to prove the virus is present is an agreed upon in vitro screening method. It is agreed upon that if you do a certain protocol to test a sample and the cells die, then is because the virus was present in the sample. One should always do the "counter sample" with a virus free control, and probably it was done at some point.

Here I want to take a pause to analyze two separate problems:

1- How we know that a virus is present? We need to obtain samples from the persons allegedly being made sick by the possible virus. Then we have to seed these samples in cell cultures of different kinds to see if the cells are affected. Mind you, cell cultures are a whole problem on their own, keeping them alive and free of microorganisms requires a lot of systems and is prone to failure if strict protocols aren't followed, so a cell dying can be caused by many other things than a virus. Thus the cell cultures that die need to be analyzed under electron microscopy to identify viral particles, and you should analyze a lot of samples with a consistent morphology of viral particles to be sure that it is what is causing the death of the cells. Needless to say, this is time and resource consuming.

2- How we know the virus found is the causant of the disease? So, once you find the viral particles, you should employ techniques to separate the viral particles from the cell cultures, and then infect a healthy human with them and see if they develop the disease. Of course we can't do that, so this is replaced by other test systems as humanized animals (animals that have been genetically modified to have tissues that are very similar to huma tissues from the point of view of the cell membrane receptors) and infect them with the isolated particles and see if they get diseased. I don't know if this was ever done for SARS CoV 2, and I can't assume it was. Can't prove it wasn't also.

After this parethesis, I want to get back to what I know has happened: Under the rush of a "highly contagious disease" that "became a threat for all the world", many corners may have been cut. Thus, the Steps 1 and 2 were, allegedly, done by the Chinese, they then quickly sequenciated the mRNA, and uploaded it to the gene bank. No one else has done it, several other labs requested the viral samples, but the Chinese government ordered all of them destroyed, and many papers were also removed from their initial publications, and everything anyone else has done since refers back to what the Chinese supposedly did, so we have to believe them.

The screening method that Dr. Cowan refers to, skips the important part of finding the viruses under electron microscopy (time and resource consuming) and is assumed that the cells die by the presence of the virus. It is only a faulty research tool, based in a flawed premise. It should not be used, but as the PCR tests, once the mainstream agrees on something, and this something becomes the "gold standard" and also allows anyone to publish by using these "gold standards", people quickly forget about checking if the "gold standard" was really gold, or as in this case, pure crap.




5- can you recommend any books or subjects that I could research to gain a better understanding of viruses, how they work, etc?

In all honesty any last edition high school biology book has all what any layman needs to know about viruses in first place to be able to then go up in bigger detail. Then there's a lot of virology books that can be found for free online, in places that can't be linked here for obvious reasons.

My current gameplan is to search terms "virus" "organic chemistry" and maybe "prions" or books by a few doctors who I have found who are challenging the $¢ien¢e.





Finally, I assume you are familiar with the nanolipid / lipid nanoparticles which some people are saying is graphene oxide. What do you think about this?

A poster above suggested that this could be causing the strokes and blood clotting. Does that seem plausible to you?

The Nanolipids haven't been disclosed in detail. But already whistleblower Karen Kinsgton (former Pfizer employee and founder and president of a 20 years old medical devices marketing company) found that the company that makes the adjuvants for the two main North American Covid-19 vaccines makers is a Chinese company named SinoPEG, (PEG is polyethylene Glycol) which also makes a "PEG Functionalized reduced graphene oxide" which basically is a graphene ribbon in which the functional groups are PEG molecules. PEG is a synthetic lipid-like chain, that can easily go through cell membranes. Most likely the "nanolipid delivery" technology is a pegylated GO and is present in all the vaccines. A paper from 2013 already proposed that PEGylated GO was the best delivery method for getting RNA inside cells.

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I wanted to chime in here again, just because I was looking for sources to back up my assertion that viral particles can be isolated and purified, and, for example, presented a as lyophilized dust. This is something that, from time to time is mentioned in movies and literature,but most people don't get it because they lack the basic technical understanding, but, as one example, it is mentioned in one of the Da Vinci code movies (Inferno) when they talk of how to move the virus being created to decimate mankind.

I found a paper that had studied that for inluenza virus (believe or not, there's a need to store viral particles for research purposes, and they use a lot of storage volume and require deep freezing which is not as available as one might think, so people have studied if viral particles can be stored as a lyophilisate at less cold temperatures and using a lot less volume. It is key to understand that viral particles can only be "cultured" in live cells, because what viruses do is hijacking live cells to make copies of the viral particles until the cell literally bursts and releases the viral particles. These can then be lifted in an aqueous media, separated by simple membrane processes, and then lyophilised to obtain a dust that can be stored for 6 months in an ordinary house freezer.

Bear in mind that when I was in the University 23 years ago and took biotechnology courses, it was already technically feasible to create new viruses with the biotechnological tools of that time, which have only improved since. So, making a completely new virus at this point of time is something that only requires will and money, all the tools are available.
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Another great post RHCP. You are killing it with the knowledge you bring to this topic.

I have a few questions, maybe you can answer or help point me in the right direction. I hope you don't mind my attempt to pick your brain. No rush,no pressure but if you can help me understand things better or guide me to where I can learn more I would appreciate it.



1a- Why do you think no one has published a study using the method you mention in the first paragraph above?
(Or has anyone done this?)


viral particles can be isolated and purified, and, for example, presented a as lyophilized dust




2- you state the following


it was already technically feasible to create new viruses with the biotechnological tools of that time, which have only improved since


Would creating new viruses or modifying viruses leave any sort of "digital fingerprint" that would upon proper examination demonstrate that the virus being studied has been "created" or altered?

It's a tricky question, of course that if the new virus is created for reseach purposes, it would probably bear a lot of tell tales that are associated with the use of biotechnological tools. In these case the "digital fingerprint" would be more of a "genetic marker fingerprint". It has already been said that the alleged SARS CoV 2 "natural origin story" has a lot of mathematical inconsistencies when the gene sequence is studied in depth. I never bought the natural origin so that point is moot, anyway. Also bear in mind that the so called S1 and S2 segments of coronaviruses have been patented for several uses even before year 2000, so nothing of this is really new, technologically wise, all that has happened since is that the tools have improved in capacity in these years.

3- I believe you mentioned prions or something acting like prions in a previous post, can you elaborate on this?


I read somewhere that DNA is only ever found in the nucleus of human cells, and that mRNA is also usually only found in certain areas inside the cell. (Ribosomes? Cytoplast?) And that source said that when RNA material is in the body outside of the cell it can function like prions. Is this correct?

What are prions?
(This is on my library research list)

I believe I have read they can cause symptoms similar to dementia.
I suspect this may have been involved in my friends double jabbed (and possibly boostered) mom dying at age 70 after being diagnosed with rapid onset dementia, then declining rapidly and dying.

I learnt the term prion in the context of the causant agent of the spongiform encephalitys, the most popular of which is the "mad cow disease" but of which exists several types. Based in the much less famous one named "Kuru" that was more frequently observed in some cannibalistic tribes of New Guinea, I have long held the hypothesis that the Spongiform Encephalitys is the way nature discourages cannibalism.

Prions are a protein that is a variant of a natural form that presents a different conformation that can cause disease, and that can, by a mechanism still under study, an spontaneous change on the configuration of the "healthy" form, that starts to be formed in the pathogenic form and never reverts to the "healthy" or "original" form. Prions involved in spongiform encephalitys are normally short protein sequences that "fold" the wrong way, or in other words, have an altered 3D configuration, even if the amino acid sequence is the same. These proteins accumulate in the brain and cause damage that destroys the neurones and is often rather quickly lethal since the onset of the associated and obvious dementia symptoms.


The Spike Protein is not a prion per se. But as a synthetic protein,in the sense that it may have been created through genetic engineering instead of naturally created by evolution of wild Coronaviruses spikes, and is pathogenic per se, it could be said, in that regard, a prion like protein. It has also been already studied and found to contain, embedded in the total, short aminoacid sequences that match the sequence of known disease causing prions, and, because of this, it would not be possible to absolutey discard that after injection with an mRNA "vaccine" and during the existence of the resulting spike proteins in the body, and their degradation, part of those prion sequences could be released and cause the prion disease, as prions are considered highly contagious


4- Dr Thomas Cowan claims he has replicated the most common methods used to verify/prove viruses, following the method exactly but never introducing any viral material, and achieved the same results as the $cience which is used to promote virology, and subsequently vaccines etc.

Can you comment on this?


Edit: here it is



13:35 he discussed how virologists do studies
16min he discusses his experiment


I'll edit and post the video where he says it so you can hear him discuss the methods. (from memory he did the monkey kidney cell culture, bovine cells, starved the cells, then introduced something maybe antibiotic which broke down the cell, leaving fractured cell material which he is saying is wrongly being called virus. Excuse my mistakes, I'll get the video so you can hear his words and method exactly)

This is a very good question and a big part of the current problem we have when official or mainstream science imposes its criteria. One has to be able to differentiate a method to reproduce a virus from a method to prove a virus is present in a problem sample.

What Dr. Cowan describes as being used as a way to prove the virus is present is an agreed upon in vitro screening method. It is agreed upon that if you do a certain protocol to test a sample and the cells die, then is because the virus was present in the sample. One should always do the "counter sample" with a virus free control, and probably it was done at some point.

Here I want to take a pause to analyze two separate problems:

1- How we know that a virus is present? We need to obtain samples from the persons allegedly being made sick by the possible virus. Then we have to seed these samples in cell cultures of different kinds to see if the cells are affected. Mind you, cell cultures are a whole problem on their own, keeping them alive and free of microorganisms requires a lot of systems and is prone to failure if strict protocols aren't followed, so a cell dying can be caused by many other things than a virus. Thus the cell cultures that die need to be analyzed under electron microscopy to identify viral particles, and you should analyze a lot of samples with a consistent morphology of viral particles to be sure that it is what is causing the death of the cells. Needless to say, this is time and resource consuming.

2- How we know the virus found is the causant of the disease? So, once you find the viral particles, you should employ techniques to separate the viral particles from the cell cultures, and then infect a healthy human with them and see if they develop the disease. Of course we can't do that, so this is replaced by other test systems as humanized animals (animals that have been genetically modified to have tissues that are very similar to huma tissues from the point of view of the cell membrane receptors) and infect them with the isolated particles and see if they get diseased. I don't know if this was ever done for SARS CoV 2, and I can't assume it was. Can't prove it wasn't also.

After this parethesis, I want to get back to what I know has happened: Under the rush of a "highly contagious disease" that "became a threat for all the world", many corners may have been cut. Thus, the Steps 1 and 2 were, allegedly, done by the Chinese, they then quickly sequenciated the mRNA, and uploaded it to the gene bank. No one else has done it, several other labs requested the viral samples, but the Chinese government ordered all of them destroyed, and many papers were also removed from their initial publications, and everything anyone else has done since refers back to what the Chinese supposedly did, so we have to believe them.

The screening method that Dr. Cowan refers to, skips the important part of finding the viruses under electron microscopy (time and resource consuming) and is assumed that the cells die by the presence of the virus. It is only a faulty research tool, based in a flawed premise. It should not be used, but as the PCR tests, once the mainstream agrees on something, and this something becomes the "gold standard" and also allows anyone to publish by using these "gold standards", people quickly forget about checking if the "gold standard" was really gold, or as in this case, pure crap.




5- can you recommend any books or subjects that I could research to gain a better understanding of viruses, how they work, etc?

In all honesty any last edition high school biology book has all what any layman needs to know about viruses in first place to be able to then go up in bigger detail. Then there's a lot of virology books that can be found for free online, in places that can't be linked here for obvious reasons.

My current gameplan is to search terms "virus" "organic chemistry" and maybe "prions" or books by a few doctors who I have found who are challenging the $¢ien¢e.





Finally, I assume you are familiar with the nanolipid / lipid nanoparticles which some people are saying is graphene oxide. What do you think about this?

A poster above suggested that this could be causing the strokes and blood clotting. Does that seem plausible to you?

The Nanolipids haven't been disclosed in detail. But already whistleblower Karen Kinsgton (former Pfizer employee and founder and president of a 20 years old medical devices marketing company) found that the company that makes the adjuvants for the two main North American Covid-19 vaccines makers is a Chinese company named SinoPEG, (PEG is polyethylene Glycol) which also makes a "PEG Functionalized reduced graphene oxide" which basically is a graphene ribbon in which the functional groups are PEG molecules. PEG is a synthetic lipid-like chain, that can easily go through cell membranes. Most likely the "nanolipid delivery" technology is a pegylated GO and is present in all the vaccines. A paper from 2013 already proposed that PEGylated GO was the best delivery method for getting RNA inside cells.

[link to pubs.rsc.org (secure)]




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 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe



You rock good person of the interwebs, thank you.


So we have bullshit science held to a "crap standard" performed by known liars who destroyed the evidence of their supposed work, and that is the basis of the foundation for this entire, heavily politicized and exceptionally profitable "global pandemic" ?

And a fake test which isn't a test and is intentionally being misused to trigger false positives.(almost forgot that nugget)

Yeah. Sadly, that sounds about right.


It is a very sad state of affairs that the
$¢ien¢e community no longer cares about being held up to scrutiny and prove it is the best and correct science. Like government, regulatory bodies, bigPharma, Big tech, Big business, media, and seemingly everything else, it is rotten to the core with corruption and no longer holds a shred of integrity.


I appreciate your well thought out responses.
You know your shit and I respect that.
This isn't my area of expertise, but I have something within me that won't allow me to settle for being deceived and can smell bullshit a country mile away. Most people don't seem to have that, which is strange to me. It feels like I live in a Twilight zone episode.
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You can't fucking stump me captcha.
Is that the best you got?!
I am a goddamn genius at bus train boat.
Bring it.
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ok so i see a lot of people making excuses for why we dont have an isolated virus, so still no proof of it, and now we just wouldnt expect to see proof, because its too small, or too fragile, or bla bla bla.

so many ridiculous claims, the virus flies through the air, sometimes it sits on surfaces.
all unfalsifiable BS claims based on NO observed phenomenon.
nothing to see here?
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ok so i see a lot of people making excuses for why we dont have an isolated virus, so still no proof of it, and now we just wouldnt expect to see proof, because its too small, or too fragile, or bla bla bla.

so many ridiculous claims, the virus flies through the air, sometimes it sits on surfaces.
all unfalsifiable BS claims based on NO observed phenomenon.
nothing to see here?
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The entire "pandemic" is a pile of lies based on:

- a computer sequence from China, known liars (who destroyed their evidence/"proof")

- PCR method being intentionally misused to create false positives

- horseshit $¢ien¢e built upon the above mentioned deceptions

- a shit ton of propaganda



There seems to be a SMALL number of actual illnesses which may be due to a spike protein bio-weapon. And if this is the case it is likely from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, funded by Fauci, NIAID, EcoHealth Alliance, ie basically the same people running to political theater most sheeple think of as news/medicine.

BigPharma is raking in BILLIONS.

All evidence points to the vaccines being extremely dangerous, and at best wildly reckless and irresponsible, but more likely intentionally hurting and killing many many people. Call it what you will, depopulation, life insurance fraud, authoritarianism, tyranny or just good old fashioned EVIL.
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Thread title and OP updated based on results of 7 pages of discussion and open floor for a week during which time no one could provide non computer generated isolation.


Much thanks to RHCP and all poster who contributed information, knowledge and thought provoking dialogue.

I'll even thank the trolls, as your failure helped clarify the truth and reality of this grand deception.
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Parasite infected minds mired in scientism are more dangerous than they realize.
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Too many inconsistencies. They are lying. It does not exist.
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Oh but the generated fear does indeed exist, and that is more deadly, dangerous, and highly contagious than any 'pathogen' we have ever encountered natural or 'man' made.
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Parasite infected minds mired in scientism are more dangerous than they realize.
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It is both mind boggling and horrifying to witness such a large portion of society hypnotized, knowing that they CHOOSE to be willfully ignorant and brainwashed.
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Too many inconsistencies. They are lying. It does not exist.
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THIS!

Logic
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Bump to make this info and discussion available to anyone who could benefit from it.


Thanks to all who contributed.
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How is this thread not pinned?

Well, I gave it a lin request.

Let's hope it gets it.

It definitely gets a 5* from me.
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25 years ago no one would have known this "virus" existed. It would have just been treated like every other bad cold/flu and people would have went on with there lives as normal.
Now we have super computers that tell us there is some sort of virus and we have to inject ourselves with experimental vaccines that have never been used before. All in the name of "Science"
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Bumping this again to make it available to people since the top thread is discussing this exact topic.

There never was any isolated sample of anything and every single piece of "$¢ien¢e" regarding "Covid 19" was based on a computer sequence.


That includes every study, every vaccine, every trial, everything the WHO or the CDC did.

Funny enough it all traces back to a Chinese source which provided the computer generated sequence and never provided any proof and claimed they destroyed whatever hypothetical samples they had.


It is all just a big wild goose chase/ game of emporer's new clothes that literally millions, possibly billions of retards fell for hook line and sinker.


Thanks y'all.


Offer still stands, show me an isolated sample that wasn't made or pretended to be "verified" via use of computer sequencing.

You can't.
Because there isn't one and there never was.
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The tragedy in all this becomes the people who got the jab,

I have been studying medicine for a long time,

and vaxxines in general are real bad stuff,

all vaxxines create microscopic neurological damage,

but these covid innjections make regular vaxxines look like bubble gum,

mRNA can not be detoxed,

it can not go back to anything,

they told people it was not permanent but that is the first lie,

because vaxxines go to four trials,

and the covid vaxx is in the third trial,

and what was their excuse?

Fauci said...well it is an emergency and we have to accept it,

just like that...

create and emergency...Trump signed it by the way...

and let the wheels roll...
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Fucking stupid thread from fucking stupid useless idiot!
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