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Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Jury Instructions and Closing Arguments

 
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What is the deal with the barrel length issue. The AR was purchased from a gun store, correct?
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Because of Kyle's age

COUNT 6: POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18
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That charge is unconstitutional

There is nothing in the constitution that says minors have no constitutional rights to my knowledge.
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Something a little different for you all today. This is a Live stream of the Kenosha Police Dept. Scanner traffic.

Kenosha Scanner Live Stream

It does not allow playback here so you will have to watch on YT

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Good morning - Just getting on and need to catch up with this mornings proceedings. This link looks interesting Pete.

The judge took some heat this weekend. The parasites are going to go nuts if Kyle gets off. Given the how the fix is in against truth, justice an The American Way these days it is difficult to be hopeful for Kyle, but I am.
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darn.
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Be funny if the judge threw out all of the charges on similar logic.
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Calling The Jury in now.
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I'm still not putting it past Dumb and Dumber to pull some stunt in closing arguments in order to get their mistrial....they know they have lost.

Be ready for anything from these two....
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So, the irony is, when Kyle gets acquitted, the cities will burn and cops will do nothing...

which is the reason Kyle is on trial now.

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I'm still not putting it past Dumb and Dumber to pull some stunt in closing arguments in order to get their mistrial....they know they have lost.

Be ready for anything from these two....
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Yeah I can see fatty doing just that by intentionally stoking the jury to speculate on something!
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I wish the Judge would drop the Provocation charge . 1doh1
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I wish the Judge would drop the Provocation charge . 1doh1
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I was really hoping so.
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I'm still not putting it past Dumb and Dumber to pull some stunt in closing arguments in order to get their mistrial....they know they have lost.

Be ready for anything from these two....
 Quoting: FeedYourHead


It is practically impossible at that point, since the prosecutor can say anything he wants to in closing arguments basically. He's NOT sworn in and he is NOT under oath and can lie all he wants, and he will. Typically what they will do is just tell the jury what they want them to believe happened and hope it sways them.

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So, the irony is, when Kyle gets acquitted, the cities will burn and cops will do nothing...

which is the reason Kyle is on trial now.

SMH
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Nope. Word on the street is BLM doesn't give a shit about the garbage Rittenhouse swept up off the sidewalks. If there are riots Antifa communists will not have the cover of legitimate protestors.
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What is the deal with the barrel length issue. The AR was purchased from a gun store, correct?
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The barrel can't be shorter than 16" and OAL can't be less than 27" or it would be consider a short barrel rifle. That would fall into subsection (c) and therefore it would fit into the criteria of him carrying an weapon a weapon illegally. Wi gun laws are very gray but the judge dismissed it.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Who would want a short barrel rifle?

Shit accuracy. Barrel length improves accuracy.

A hand gun makes more sense than a short barrel rifle.

Now, if we are addressing a shotgun, that is a different conversation.
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Anyone know the list of charges the jury has to decide on?
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COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 7: FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Here are the Charges again.
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Anyone know the list of charges the jury has to decide on?
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COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 7: FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Here are the Charges again.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


7 is dismissed.
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I wish the Judge would drop the Provocation charge . 1doh1
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The only provoking I saw was the rioters.
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Anyone know the list of charges the jury has to decide on?
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COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON


 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Here are the Charges again.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


7 is dismissed.
 Quoting: Tangy


Ok I missed that

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COUNT 1: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 4: FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 5: ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON


 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Here are the Charges again.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


7 is dismissed.
 Quoting: Tangy


Ok I missed that
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Well, in that case, he will be acquitted.
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What is the deal with the barrel length issue. The AR was purchased from a gun store, correct?
 Quoting: Oaken Paw

The barrel can't be shorter than 16" and OAL can't be less than 27" or it would be consider a short barrel rifle. That would fall into subsection (c) and therefore it would fit into the criteria of him carrying an weapon a weapon illegally. Wi gun laws are very gray but the judge dismissed it.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Who would want a short barrel rifle?

Shit accuracy. Barrel length improves accuracy.

A hand gun makes more sense than a short barrel rifle.

Now, if we are addressing a shotgun, that is a different conversation.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I would like an SBR.

Those little DD MK18's are amazing.

Great for close-quarters and home defense.

Turning in a hallway with a shouldered long rifle can be a bitch/less for the assailant to grab onto.
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So, the irony is, when Kyle gets acquitted, the cities will burn and cops will do nothing...

which is the reason Kyle is on trial now.

SMH
 Quoting: Oaken Paw


Nope. Word on the street is BLM doesn't give a shit about the garbage Rittenhouse swept up off the sidewalks. If there are riots Antifa communists will not have the cover of legitimate protestors.
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BLM are 'legitimate'?

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Here are the Charges again.
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7 is dismissed.
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Ok I missed that
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Well, in that case, he will be acquitted.
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It all rides on provocation and a blurry image.

AND.. they can NOT speculate. So really he should walk.
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What is the deal with the barrel length issue. The AR was purchased from a gun store, correct?
 Quoting: Oaken Paw

The barrel can't be shorter than 16" and OAL can't be less than 27" or it would be consider a short barrel rifle. That would fall into subsection (c) and therefore it would fit into the criteria of him carrying an weapon a weapon illegally. Wi gun laws are very gray but the judge dismissed it.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Who would want a short barrel rifle?

Shit accuracy. Barrel length improves accuracy.

A hand gun makes more sense than a short barrel rifle.

Now, if we are addressing a shotgun, that is a different conversation.
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It is useful in enclosed spaces, and can penetrate body armor.. At a riot you'd want a carbine, M-4 type variant of the AR-15.
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What is the deal with the barrel length issue. The AR was purchased from a gun store, correct?
 Quoting: Oaken Paw

The barrel can't be shorter than 16" and OAL can't be less than 27" or it would be consider a short barrel rifle. That would fall into subsection (c) and therefore it would fit into the criteria of him carrying an weapon a weapon illegally. Wi gun laws are very gray but the judge dismissed it.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Who would want a short barrel rifle?

Shit accuracy. Barrel length improves accuracy.

A hand gun makes more sense than a short barrel rifle.

Now, if we are addressing a shotgun, that is a different conversation.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Not true with every firearm. I have a couple SBR's. Barrel length doesn't affect accuracy as much as you'd think. It mostly affects ballistics, meaning bullet speed, which affects effective distance. Also having an SBR makes the rifle more mobile and easier to maneuver.
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What is the deal with the barrel length issue. The AR was purchased from a gun store, correct?
 Quoting: Oaken Paw

The barrel can't be shorter than 16" and OAL can't be less than 27" or it would be consider a short barrel rifle. That would fall into subsection (c) and therefore it would fit into the criteria of him carrying an weapon a weapon illegally. Wi gun laws are very gray but the judge dismissed it.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Who would want a short barrel rifle?

Shit accuracy. Barrel length improves accuracy.

A hand gun makes more sense than a short barrel rifle.

Now, if we are addressing a shotgun, that is a different conversation.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Not true with every firearm. I have a couple SBR's. Barrel length doesn't affect accuracy as much as you'd think. It mostly affects ballistics, meaning bullet speed, which affects effective distance. Also having an SBR makes the rifle more mobile and easier to maneuver.
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Yep, a badass backpack gun.
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SO, THEY DO A LOTTERY OF THE 18 JURORS AND SEND 6 HOME?

BEEN DONE YET?
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So, the irony is, when Kyle gets acquitted, the cities will burn and cops will do nothing...

which is the reason Kyle is on trial now.

SMH
 Quoting: Oaken Paw


Nope. Word on the street is BLM doesn't give a shit about the garbage Rittenhouse swept up off the sidewalks. If there are riots Antifa communists will not have the cover of legitimate protestors.
 Quoting: John Blutarsky



BLM are 'legitimate'?

wordmeans
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Yes. Yes I do. I believe the protests were justified, the police are out of control on many different levels. This is not east Germany or Stalins Russia.

I know this much, the police behaving as they do has me convinced they must be reined in one way or the other.

These are the same paramilitary occupational force forcing every single thing the people who complain about the government are bitching about. It's not just black people they are abusing, oppressing and murdering and you are foolish for siding with them.
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The barrel can't be shorter than 16" and OAL can't be less than 27" or it would be consider a short barrel rifle. That would fall into subsection (c) and therefore it would fit into the criteria of him carrying an weapon a weapon illegally. Wi gun laws are very gray but the judge dismissed it.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Who would want a short barrel rifle?

Shit accuracy. Barrel length improves accuracy.

A hand gun makes more sense than a short barrel rifle.

Now, if we are addressing a shotgun, that is a different conversation.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Not true with every firearm. I have a couple SBR's. Barrel length doesn't affect accuracy as much as you'd think. It mostly affects ballistics, meaning bullet speed, which affects effective distance. Also having an SBR makes the rifle more mobile and easier to maneuver.
 Quoting: ThumbsUp


Yep, a badass backpack gun.
 Quoting: BFD Never Jabbed

Exactly. Except my go to backpack/truck gun is technically a pistol. With a brace and a Law folder, I can legally conceal it and carry it where ever lawful just like a handgun.
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SO, THEY DO A LOTTERY OF THE 18 JURORS AND SEND 6 HOME?

BEEN DONE YET?
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Not yet
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The Judge said Thursday his Jury Instructions would last about forty five minutes.

Then he will allow each side two and a half hours for closing arguments.

For the State that two and a half hours includes their rebuttal.

With breaks and lunch it's going to be late afternoon before the Jury gets the case.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


So verdict announcement tomorrow morning at the earliest.
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SO, THEY DO A LOTTERY OF THE 18 JURORS AND SEND 6 HOME?

BEEN DONE YET?
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Will be done just before deliberations.





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