Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Friday Day 10 - Motions and Jury Instructions | |
The Daddylorian
User ID: 75814920 United States 11/12/2021 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The defense doesn't want to win this case. They would be held responsible for the carnage that has been promised if he is acquitted. Quoting: ~Jazz~ They put on just enough show to make it appear Kyle actually had effectual council. Either that or they are simply incompetent. I don't know. Not looking forward to Monday. How many death threats or bribes did they get to throw him to the wolves? That might be a jaded attitude but after the bullshit this country has been through the last few years, trust and faith in justice are hard to muster anymore. Yes, unfortunately I am reminded quite often of this quote from years ago and keep my expectations for justice very low: "The law is not some Platonic Form plucked from the skies by the Pure in Heart. Laws are written by men, men who have particular interests, particular constituencies, particular donors, and particular friends. ... Laws are the particular means by which the state implements and executes its vast powers. When an increasingly authoritarian state passes a certain critical point in its development, the law is no longer the protector of individual rights and individual liberty. The law becomes the weapon of the state itself -- to protect, not you, but the state from threats to its own powers. We passed that critical point some decades ago. The law is the means by which the state corrals its subjects, keeps them under control, and forbids them from acting in ways that the overlords might perceive as threatening. In brief, today, in these glorious United States, the law is not your friend." ~ Arthur Silber This is exactly correct and yes for decades now this has been happening. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Or something |
NeroAxia
User ID: 77606890 United States 11/12/2021 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | new damning evidence introduced Quoting: Nitehawk [link to citizenfreepress.com (secure)] damning to the insanity of it all that is.... Yet they all refused to call the witness to the stand and get his account of what happened…. Hmmmm lol What a clown trial |
Weeping Willow79
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RestoreTheAnger
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Simple27
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J-lee
User ID: 80601730 United States 11/12/2021 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are about to cross the finish line as the winner of a marathon but at the last second before you break the tape they decide to add another 6 miles to the finish… ^ Perfect Yup. I guess our last hope is the judge or jury. I’m hoping there is a point with all this, but it seems the tune has changed today. |
Dogsbollocks
User ID: 79380926 United Kingdom 11/12/2021 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel this Kid will be found guilty. He is a political prisoner. To appease the Loony Left Wolves, they will throw him to them. Stop them burning stuff down. Hope i am wrong, Last Edited by Dogsbollocks on 11/12/2021 03:19 PM Dogsbollocks |
here&back
User ID: 38487486 United States 11/12/2021 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't get to see today either, but just heard in the car that the judge will allow the jury to consider that he may have encouraged Rosenbaum into the conflict. Last Edited by south of eden on 11/12/2021 03:24 PM |
~Jazz~
Forum Administrator 11/12/2021 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel this Kid will be found guilty. Quoting: Dogsbollocks He is a political prisoner. To appease the Loony Left Wolves, they will throw him to them. Stop them burning stuff down. Hope i am wrong, A conviction isn't going to stop them. It's going to embolden them even more. To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
NeroAxia
User ID: 77606890 United States 11/12/2021 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel this Kid will be found guilty. Quoting: Dogsbollocks He is a political prisoner. To appease the Loony Left Wolves, they will throw him to them. Stop them burning stuff down. Hope i am wrong, A conviction isn't going to stop them. It's going to embolden them even more. Yeah a conviction will ruin this country. It tells BLM/PANTIFA that they can riot, burn, loot, murder and there’s nothing we can do to stop them. It tells them if we try, we will be convicted of murder. It tells every America than their 2nd amendment right is gone. Self defense is gone. It’s an unspoken signal for every American to lay down and die. Or rather, sit back and watch your country burn. But we won’t listen will we. |
~kpm~
User ID: 75950402 United States 11/12/2021 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel this Kid will be found guilty. Quoting: Dogsbollocks He is a political prisoner. To appease the Loony Left Wolves, they will throw him to them. Stop them burning stuff down. Hope i am wrong, A conviction isn't going to stop them. It's going to embolden them even more. Yup, if his team refused the lesser charges the DA would have to prove his phony trumped up charges. Albeit, we didn’t get to see how the jury was reacting but we did all the comments on how Kyle proved self defense. ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Oaken Paw
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Sardonic Dadaist
User ID: 41905417 United States 11/12/2021 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are about to cross the finish line as the winner of a marathon but at the last second before you break the tape they decide to add another 6 miles to the finish… ^ Perfect I think it’s even worse; more like finish in under 3 hours, then 6 miles added with no additional time. He has no ability to mount an effective defense to the VERY different charges and he spent everything on the original race. Diabolical especially with BLM moving in this weekend. I figure they will be outside the jury’s houses all weekend with nooses. Seeker 2 |
~Jazz~
Forum Administrator 11/12/2021 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To do what? Stand around empty handed and watch the terrorists burn everything in sight? Or would it be to open up the blockades and let them in? To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
TheresaEl
User ID: 80383886 United States 11/12/2021 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has anyone noticed the people in the court room during this trial. Who is the man/journalist sitting directly behind the prosecution taking pictures? White guy, blue shirt, N-95 mask, full head of white/gray hair. Has anyone noticed what he has been doing? He has been photographing with a telephoto lens documents and their computer screens, at some points walking right up behind the defense and snapping photos! To me this is OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOR! I have been in court many times and have NEVER seen anyone do something this, especially at a trial of this magnitude. Example: During the 11/11 trial around the 4:50 mark, even though I am sure it was going on both before and after this, he is photographing Kyle and the defense while they are having a conference looking a laptop screen. There are a woman and man in the 2nd row watching him along with a man in the 1st row, black shirt sitting behind Kyle with a badge. Finally the woman gets up and says something to him. At 4:55pm he is not only taking pictures, but standing up taking them. There have been other times during this trial where he gets directly behind the defense snapping pics.of docs, their computers and there are people that watch him doing this sitting behind Kyle and the defense team! If it has already been known that somebody in the court room has been taking pics of the jurors, why is this man allowed to do what he is doing. It makes no sense whatsoever! |
Sardonic Dadaist
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Oaken Paw
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~kpm~
User ID: 75950402 United States 11/12/2021 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To do what? Stand around empty handed and watch the terrorists burn everything in sight? Or would it be to open up the blockades and let them in? To tell everyone to stand down with their heads up their asses This is why Kyle was out there! ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
~Jazz~
Forum Administrator 11/12/2021 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To do what? Stand around empty handed and watch the terrorists burn everything in sight? Or would it be to open up the blockades and let them in? To tell everyone to stand down with their heads up their asses This is why Kyle was out there! Exactly. It's a slap in the face. They probably won't allow them to carry weapons. It might offend some soyboi fuckstain or make them feel threatened. To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
DizzieMissLizzie
User ID: 81107420 United States 11/12/2021 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "He is pointing it at {minksy, forget his name and won't attempt to translate it here} who probably is vandalizing or committing arson, but that's another..." (the fat prosecutor) Quoting: GooPile Taking from about 1:10:00 in the Rekieta Law stream and every one of them missed it, the judge didn't process it and the defense didn't pounce on it! The prosecution was admitted that the person they alleged Rittenhouse pointed his gun at was in the act of committing a felony. I am no lawyer, and especially don't know laws in specific US states, but even one of the lawyers on that broadcast pointed out that 'unless there was an additional factor' it turns his self-defense claims on its head. That additional factor is that minksy-whatever was in the act of committing a felony. I assume when they take that guy to court and it turned out he was in the act of committing a felony, Rittenhouse will be able to use it on appeal if he is convicted. EDIT: Maybe that was just speculation by the prosecution, maybe there was no evidence, but why didn't the defense probe it? I seem to remember from the other day that the Prosecution, when questioning Kyle, made it clear that Kyle knew it was legal for him to have a gun to protect himself, but not property. This is probably why they went down this line of questioning, and why the defense did not jump on it. I hope I am right. I also feel the judge accepted the lessor charges so the prosecution cannot say it was a biased trial. I think the judge knows they have crap. I am wondering who hands out the penalty if he is found guilty of anything. Is it the judge? If so, I am thinking 3 months community service. |
Sungaze_At_Dawn
User ID: 81004338 Canada 11/12/2021 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The defense doesn't want to win this case. They would be held responsible for the carnage that has been promised if he is acquitted. Quoting: ~Jazz~ They put on just enough show to make it appear Kyle actually had effectual council. Either that or they are simply incompetent. I don't know. Not looking forward to Monday. With these lesser charges added, neither am I. It's hard to believe that as high a profile case this is, that team is the best defense he could be offered. Actually, Robert Barnes was on the team, and the most important element in this was jury selection since its a heavily biased media area. He had total assurances and arranged top naught experts pro bono, and the funding was partly through his site, but when he showed up and asked about some funding strangeness, ie someone who was supposed to be off team and funding was still doing it, Kyle was controlled, funds meted to him even med funds. He was not allowed suddenly after all those arrangements and they did a poor fast random jury in an area that has high media propaganda. They all have a bias, he discussed, that based on the evidence, its self defense, he's innocent. But have you ever argued with a dem and changed their minds or vice versa. The other side's bias is: kid shouldn't have been there, throw the book at him. And no amount of video's or anything changes that bias. They're not looking for, defense in the moment. Now, there is definite grounds for mistrial with prejudice, and also appeal, but that bad jury selection mediocre defense, doesn't matter how outrageous the prosecution, he wasn't punished, just yelled at, AND letting Kyle testify, no one does, it can always turned into something else in the jury's mind. The evidence speaks for itself and you never do that. In any case, its a crap shot now. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/12/2021 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "He is pointing it at {minksy, forget his name and won't attempt to translate it here} who probably is vandalizing or committing arson, but that's another..." (the fat prosecutor) Quoting: GooPile Taking from about 1:10:00 in the Rekieta Law stream and every one of them missed it, the judge didn't process it and the defense didn't pounce on it! The prosecution was admitted that the person they alleged Rittenhouse pointed his gun at was in the act of committing a felony. I am no lawyer, and especially don't know laws in specific US states, but even one of the lawyers on that broadcast pointed out that 'unless there was an additional factor' it turns his self-defense claims on its head. That additional factor is that minksy-whatever was in the act of committing a felony. I assume when they take that guy to court and it turned out he was in the act of committing a felony, Rittenhouse will be able to use it on appeal if he is convicted. EDIT: Maybe that was just speculation by the prosecution, maybe there was no evidence, but why didn't the defense probe it? If so, I am thinking 3 months community service. Sometimes they give young men a choice to join the military. Maybe they'll give Kyle his rilfe back right on the spot and send him out to take care of business. |
BBQ BOY™
(OP) User ID: 80860776 United States 11/12/2021 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: The Daddylorian Either that or they are simply incompetent. I don't know. Not looking forward to Monday. With these lesser charges added, neither am I. It's hard to believe that as high a profile case this is, that team is the best defense he could be offered. Actually, Robert Barnes was on the team, and the most important element in this was jury selection since its a heavily biased media area. He had total assurances and arranged top naught experts pro bono, and the funding was partly through his site, but when he showed up and asked about some funding strangeness, ie someone who was supposed to be off team and funding was still doing it, Kyle was controlled, funds meted to him even med funds. He was not allowed suddenly after all those arrangements and they did a poor fast random jury in an area that has high media propaganda. They all have a bias, he discussed, that based on the evidence, its self defense, he's innocent. But have you ever argued with a dem and changed their minds or vice versa. The other side's bias is: kid shouldn't have been there, throw the book at him. And no amount of video's or anything changes that bias. They're not looking for, defense in the moment. Now, there is definite grounds for mistrial with prejudice, and also appeal, but that bad jury selection mediocre defense, doesn't matter how outrageous the prosecution, he wasn't punished, just yelled at, AND letting Kyle testify, no one does, it can always turned into something else in the jury's mind. The evidence speaks for itself and you never do that. In any case, its a crap shot now. I have never see a Jury selected like this. They were brought into the courtroom in a group, all were ask a question and then ask to raise their hand if they had an issue with the question. WTF was that all about. I've been on Jury duty twice and I was interviewed by myself, with the Judge, Prosecutor and Defense in the room, no other potential Jurors were in the courtroom. "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 11/12/2021 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to believe that as high a profile case this is, that team is the best defense he could be offered. Actually, Robert Barnes was on the team, and the most important element in this was jury selection since its a heavily biased media area. He had total assurances and arranged top naught experts pro bono, and the funding was partly through his site, but when he showed up and asked about some funding strangeness, ie someone who was supposed to be off team and funding was still doing it, Kyle was controlled, funds meted to him even med funds. He was not allowed suddenly after all those arrangements and they did a poor fast random jury in an area that has high media propaganda. They all have a bias, he discussed, that based on the evidence, its self defense, he's innocent. But have you ever argued with a dem and changed their minds or vice versa. The other side's bias is: kid shouldn't have been there, throw the book at him. And no amount of video's or anything changes that bias. They're not looking for, defense in the moment. Now, there is definite grounds for mistrial with prejudice, and also appeal, but that bad jury selection mediocre defense, doesn't matter how outrageous the prosecution, he wasn't punished, just yelled at, AND letting Kyle testify, no one does, it can always turned into something else in the jury's mind. The evidence speaks for itself and you never do that. In any case, its a crap shot now. I have never see a Jury selected like this. They were brought into the courtroom in a group, all were ask a question and then ask to raise their hand if they had an issue with the question. WTF was that all about. I've been on Jury duty twice and I was interviewed by myself, with the Judge, Prosecutor and Defense in the room, no other potential Jurors were in the courtroom. For some reason, they've been trying to rush this case like they're trying to meet some deadline. |
Sungaze_At_Dawn
User ID: 81004338 Canada 11/12/2021 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's hard to believe that as high a profile case this is, that team is the best defense he could be offered. Actually, Robert Barnes was on the team, and the most important element in this was jury selection since its a heavily biased media area. He had total assurances and arranged top naught experts pro bono, and the funding was partly through his site, but when he showed up and asked about some funding strangeness, ie someone who was supposed to be off team and funding was still doing it, Kyle was controlled, funds meted to him even med funds. He was not allowed suddenly after all those arrangements and they did a poor fast random jury in an area that has high media propaganda. They all have a bias, he discussed, that based on the evidence, its self defense, he's innocent. But have you ever argued with a dem and changed their minds or vice versa. The other side's bias is: kid shouldn't have been there, throw the book at him. And no amount of video's or anything changes that bias. They're not looking for, defense in the moment. Now, there is definite grounds for mistrial with prejudice, and also appeal, but that bad jury selection mediocre defense, doesn't matter how outrageous the prosecution, he wasn't punished, just yelled at, AND letting Kyle testify, no one does, it can always turned into something else in the jury's mind. The evidence speaks for itself and you never do that. In any case, its a crap shot now. I have never see a Jury selected like this. They were brought into the courtroom in a group, all were ask a question and then ask to raise their hand if they had an issue with the question. WTF was that all about. I've been on Jury duty twice and I was interviewed by myself, with the Judge, Prosecutor and Defense in the room, no other potential Jurors were in the courtroom. After assurances of his handling jury selection and arrangements for top nation experts, last minute when he showed up, because he had asked about the handlers, he was not allowed to do this, and they did a crap shot jury very fast, no weeding out the biases, just bullshit. Has been making many videos talking about this since start of the month AND you never take a gamble on the kid testifying. This is cut and dried, incredible evidence to what matters: in the moment self defense. And this case, affects the whole nation. It's an important case. Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 11/12/2021 04:07 PM The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
jlee2027
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BabsyT
Babsy_T User ID: 80986285 United States 11/12/2021 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have they said what the email about the juror was that pissed off the judge before live stream stopped. I have looked, but couldn't find anything? Don't Be An Asshole...Just Be Nice! God Bless America "Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!"- Leonardo da Vinci |