Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Friday Day 10 - Motions and Jury Instructions

The lesser degree with Huber is bothersome to me, I think his team feels this one is iffy on self defense?

I was listening, not watching, and the judge said something about the Boston Bombing and nobody had a clue until a diligent FBI agent going over and over and over the footage found the culprit. - paraphrasing

Nevermind.

So what it amounts to is the prosecution wanted to charge him with both intentional and wreckless actions so he would be found guilty no matter what. They wanted to 'load the voting box.'

Pathetic. They should be disbarred.

I get the feeling they want to throw the prosecution a bone but not the whole sacrificial lamb.

Dividing the spoils...sick

I believe the defense accepted the 2nd degree on Huber, because the Huber thing is more clear-cut, with close-up video, so it is less likely any degree murder would stick on that. Rosenbaum is the one without close-up video, so there's a more chance of a 2nd degree sticking on it, so they objected to that. By accepting the less likely to stick 2nd degree one, they are sort of "trading" off against the Rosenbaum one.

Last Edited by Weyoun on 11/12/2021 01:50 PM

I mean, let's be real....this isn't about Kyle.

It never was.

Yes I agree.. but they have the witness. THE WITNESS they are claiming he pointed the gun at.

But no one called him to the stand.

That’s wild. They claimed Kyle pointed a gun at someone and refused to bring in that person to testify.

What a world we are living in.

Since they have a an arson case against Ziminsky, I'm guessing they probably offered Ziminsky immunity from that if he testified for the state, but for wahtever reason, Ziminskiy turned that down. Another posibility is Ziminsky is some sort of agent and very high up people have made sure he won't testify to protect his cover.

That’s an interesting perspective. It’s something. Why would you not? Unless the defense knew? But if the defense/prosecution knows that he will just say “yeah he did” why wouldn’t the prosecution call him.

Why why why? Makes no sense to me.

Not only didn’t they call him, they didn’t even bring it up one time. They completely avoided it. Here they are, talking about a blurry photo of someone pointing a gun at another human, and they ignore the fact that they can just call him to the stand to testify?

I know EXACTY what’s going to happen based on this detail alone.

If I’m wrong then shame on me. At least my handle is public. Lol

United States law is DEAD.

"He is pointing it at {minksy, forget his name and won't attempt to translate it here} who probably is vandalizing or committing arson, but that's another..." (the fat prosecutor)

Taking from about 1:10:00 in the Rekieta Law stream and every one of them missed it, the judge didn't process it and the defense didn't pounce on it!

The prosecution was admitted that the person they alleged Rittenhouse pointed his gun at was in the act of committing a felony. I am no lawyer, and especially don't know laws in specific US states, but even one of the lawyers on that broadcast pointed out that 'unless there was an additional factor' it turns his self-defense claims on its head. That additional factor is that minksy-whatever was in the act of committing a felony.

I assume when they take that guy to court and it turned out he was in the act of committing a felony, Rittenhouse will be able to use it on appeal if he is convicted.

EDIT: Maybe that was just speculation by the prosecution, maybe there was no evidence, but why didn't the defense probe it?

Last Edited by GooPile on 11/12/2021 02:17 PM

I think Kyle has a case for retrial based on having an incompetent defense and his civil rights being violated by the prosecutor.

If he is convicted, civil rights violations would be considered in appeals.

That’s a good point but why would they not get started chipping away at it. Why wait for the trial of someone else…

Maybe my lack of law knowledge is why they couldn’t call the person who they claim had a gun pointed at him.

Idk, the entire thing seems wildly fake now.

They also never spoke a single time about the flaming bag that was thrown at Kyle. Not once. You can literally see it in the videos they show, but not a single mention about it.

The defense doesn't want to win this case. They would be held responsible for the carnage that has been promised if he is acquitted.

They put on just enough show to make it appear Kyle actually had effectual council.

Last Edited by ~Jazzy~ on 11/12/2021 02:24 PM

I think he was CALLED there.An inspiration to the good and a symbol of shame to all the supposed "men" in this society.Were'nt there a few strangers who showed up on 911 that rescued some people?We are so far from actual humans these days.

Yep,and the kid had a lot of shots fired in his direction as he was retreating and not a scratch.

This is not fair.. changing the goal posts right at the last minute. This should not be allowed.. the trial was to prove that Kyle did or did not do murder in 1st degree. so every witness who came out, etc was to prove or not prove this.. now the stupid prosecution lawyers want to change the goal posts and now 2nd degree.. this is not right.. the defense lawyers would have had to maybe change all their witnesses, etc. and how this would be approached.

We thought Kyle was going to win, now this changing the goal posts might change everything. and now kyle might lose.

Either that or they are simply incompetent.

I don't know. Not looking forward to Monday.

For those anxious about this case, consider the story of Joseph. He was sold as a slave by his own murderous brothers. Then as a slave, he rose to high rank, only to have a demonic whore falsely accuse him and he was falsely imprisoned. But that was all part of God's plan, as shown by the rest of the story. At the end, Jospeh says "you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good" (Genesis 50:20).

Whether Kyle is accquited or convicted, believe that God is soverign over all things. We have seen the videos and it is clear to me that Kyle's victories that night was nothing short of miraculous. A Hollywood movie would need numerous takes and scene-cuts for something like that, yet Kyle did it in real life in realtime. Kyle's life is clearly in God's hands.

Consider also David, who was a military hero that saved Israel from genocide, yet treacherous Saul hunted him down and tried to kill him, bud David trust in God and said,

"The wicked scheme against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them,
but the Lord laughs,
seeing that their day is coming.

The wicked have drawn the sword
and bent the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken." - Psalm 37:12-15

BS, that he was looking for trouble. He went to help clean a school of graffiti, put out fires, protect businesses, and assist if anyone was injured.

So, I guess because I have a ccw and actually carry especially at night or if I am in a less than ideal area of the city that I am looking for trouble simply because there may be people that wish to do me harm?

I guess you think only people
"Who are not looking for trouble" should hid in their homes, shaking and hoping no bad people come knocking or burning down their city.

He is more of a decent man, a decent citizen than the majority of men in the US and most all other countries.

How many death threats or bribes did they get to throw him to the wolves?

That might be a jaded attitude but after the bullshit this country has been through the last few years, trust and faith in justice are hard to muster anymore.

Last Edited by ~Jazzy~ on 11/12/2021 02:34 PM

"Trial by your peers as a white dude in 2021"

I know! I just heard they added charges that the jury could find other than murder. All that I thought had to be declared prior to the beginning of the trial!

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BODY LANGUAGE - KYLE RITTENHOUSE TRIAL

Indeed! Also consider his upbringing. He had an abusive father, a sickly mother, and from a young age, before legal adulthood, he had to work multiple jobs to help support his sickly mother and two sisters. Many boys in that situation end up becoming gangbanger thugs, but for Kyle, it built his character and made him into the sheepdog he is. If he is falsely convicted, it wouldn't be convicting Kyle, but truly convicting America. It's sad enough he's being tried to begin with. Perhaps he's too good for America. America does not deserve Kyle.

Last Edited by Weyoun on 11/12/2021 02:40 PM

new damning evidence introduced

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damning to the insanity of it all that is....

With these lesser charges added, neither am I.

It's hard to believe that as high a profile case this is, that team is the best defense he could be offered.

Yes, unfortunately I am reminded quite often of this quote from years ago and keep my expectations for justice very low:

"The law is not some Platonic Form plucked from the skies by the Pure in Heart.

Laws are written by men, men who have particular interests, particular constituencies, particular donors, and particular friends. ... Laws are the particular means by which the state implements and executes its vast powers.

When an increasingly authoritarian state passes a certain critical point in its development, the law is no longer the protector of individual rights and individual liberty. The law becomes the weapon of the state itself -- to protect, not you, but the state from threats to its own powers.

We passed that critical point some decades ago. The law is the means by which the state corrals its subjects, keeps them under control, and forbids them from acting in ways that the overlords might perceive as threatening.

In brief, today, in these glorious United States, the law is not your friend." ~ Arthur Silber