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Employer pushing back against my religious exemption. Any advice on these questions?

 
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Hi all,
Long time reader, first time poster.
My employer is currently pushing back against my religious exemption and I thought I'd seek assistance on here from anyone who may have some theological insight into how I can respond to their two specific (and well-researched) questions below.
The have not rejected my exemption YET but their questions make it clear to me that they are looking for a reason to do so.
I have cut and pasted them from my employer's email.
Grateful for any input.
Many thanks.


EMAIL BEGINS
QUESTION 1
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith noted that "it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process." They continued that due to the "grave danger" presented by the "uncontainable spread of a serious pathological agent — in this case, the pandemic spread of the SARS-CoV2 virus that causes Covid-19," "all vaccines recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience."

***Can you please speak to how you square the conclusions of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican COVID-19 Commission and the Pontifical Academy for Life that all of the COVID-19 vaccines are morally acceptable to Catholics with your statements that the Catholic Church teaches there is a moral duty to refuse the use of vaccines that are created using human cell lines derived from abortion?***

QUESTION 2
Pope Francis has said that ethically, everyone should take the vaccine, that “It is an ethical choice because you are gambling with your health, with your life, but you are also gambling with the lives of others.” The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith emphasized that while vaccination — like all medical interventions — is voluntary, there is a moral "duty to protect one's own health [as well as] the duty to pursue the common good." The Catechism of the Catholic Church stresses the importance of loving thy neighbor, with that commandment summarizing all the others and expressing God’s entire will (CCC 2196 and 2822). The Pope’s statements reference the scientific support that immunization both reduces the chance of onward virus transmission to others and reduces the likelihood that an infected individual will need hospitalization. COVID outbreaks earlier this year strained hospital resources in many states, impacting the availability of life-saving care for even patients needing help unrelated to COVID.
Avoiding the vaccine may have a directly negative impact on a neighbor’s own health.
Pope Francis and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI have both taken the vaccine themselves.

***Can you please speak to how, as a Catholic, you square the directives of Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith and the Catechism, which speak of the moral duty to protect your own health and the health of others by taking the
vaccine, against your statements that vaccinations violate your Catholic religious convictions?***

EMAIL ENDS
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My advice is get a lawyer and have them write a letter threatening a lawsuit against your employer.
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weekly test?
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11/05/2021 08:37 PM
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If you are Catholic, you could say you believe he's a false pope. If you're not Catholic, just tell them your're not Catholic.
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11/05/2021 09:19 PM
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How hard is it to make a vaccine card anyway.
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11/05/2021 09:23 PM
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You do NOT have to defend your religious belief.
See Peggy Hall

You state your religious belief.
That's it
You claim tHe exemption.
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That's exactly it. It's non-negotiable.

Either they recognize your statement, or they supply your firing date.

Easy.

PS. We work in a mega billion dollar business. We just hired on two green candidates. One two year experience, the other with no experience.

That's telling.

Bring it bitches.
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11/05/2021 09:25 PM
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Your mistake was saying you're catholic. No need to tie yourself to any religious sect.
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I would have a lawyer put your exemption request on letterhead.
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THIS. Have a lawyer write everything up for you to give to your employer. Or maybe he communicates it for you.

THIS------>>> Each thing you state in your religious exemption must be accompanied by a previous court case as a reference. So have a lawyer do it, don't do it yourself.
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Your "religion" would have to have a history of not taking ANY vaccine, which means you are a part of a very very small number of people or are trying to piggyback on them.
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The "peace religions" have a long standing rule that they follow the Bible.
So they will not fight and kill for any reason including national war.
That would include Amish and Mennonites and Friends/Quakers.
They have a long standing legal definition as "exempt from military service"
But if you just started an anti-vaccine religion you will get in trouble.
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Hi all,
Long time reader, first time poster.
My employer is currently pushing back against my religious exemption and I thought I'd seek assistance on here from anyone who may have some theological insight into how I can respond to their two specific (and well-researched) questions below.
The have not rejected my exemption YET but their questions make it clear to me that they are looking for a reason to do so.
I have cut and pasted them from my employer's email.
Grateful for any input.
Many thanks.


EMAIL BEGINS
QUESTION 1
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith noted that "it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process." They continued that due to the "grave danger" presented by the "uncontainable spread of a serious pathological agent — in this case, the pandemic spread of the SARS-CoV2 virus that causes Covid-19," "all vaccines recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience."

***Can you please speak to how you square the conclusions of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican COVID-19 Commission and the Pontifical Academy for Life that all of the COVID-19 vaccines are morally acceptable to Catholics with your statements that the Catholic Church teaches there is a moral duty to refuse the use of vaccines that are created using human cell lines derived from abortion?***

QUESTION 2
Pope Francis has said that ethically, everyone should take the vaccine, that “It is an ethical choice because you are gambling with your health, with your life, but you are also gambling with the lives of others.” The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith emphasized that while vaccination — like all medical interventions — is voluntary, there is a moral "duty to protect one's own health [as well as] the duty to pursue the common good." The Catechism of the Catholic Church stresses the importance of loving thy neighbor, with that commandment summarizing all the others and expressing God’s entire will (CCC 2196 and 2822). The Pope’s statements reference the scientific support that immunization both reduces the chance of onward virus transmission to others and reduces the likelihood that an infected individual will need hospitalization. COVID outbreaks earlier this year strained hospital resources in many states, impacting the availability of life-saving care for even patients needing help unrelated to COVID.
Avoiding the vaccine may have a directly negative impact on a neighbor’s own health.
Pope Francis and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI have both taken the vaccine themselves.

***Can you please speak to how, as a Catholic, you square the directives of Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith and the Catechism, which speak of the moral duty to protect your own health and the health of others by taking the
vaccine, against your statements that vaccinations violate your Catholic religious convictions?***

EMAIL ENDS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80523042


Tell them you are Eastern Orthodox Catholic. They dont adhere to the Vatican and dont adhere to the pope. Eastern Orthodox are fucking hard core. Especially the Russian Orthodox. In addition, I would simply tell them that YOUR faith is not one to one with the Vatican. You answer BEFORE GOD. Site OT and NT scripture on what happened to the death of an unborn child. THat you could care less about the Pope as Popes vacillate over time.
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11/05/2021 09:40 PM
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"When I was a kid I wanted to meet Captain Nemo."

"Now that we've abolished all the lawyers."

"What did I tell you?! 88 miles per hour!!!"
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11/05/2021 09:47 PM
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The pope doesn't follow scripture.

Your spiritual beliefs are your own and government cannot dictate what your belief category it falls into.
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Here's a real Catholic. The Pope is a Usurper.
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Liability Document works better. + Informed consent.
The cannucks are trying their damndest.
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Do you have one for the USA?
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Re: Employer pushing back against my religious exemption. Any advice on these questions?
Hi all,
Long time reader, first time poster.
My employer is currently pushing back against my religious exemption and I thought I'd seek assistance on here from anyone who may have some theological insight into how I can respond to their two specific (and well-researched) questions below.
The have not rejected my exemption YET but their questions make it clear to me that they are looking for a reason to do so.
I have cut and pasted them from my employer's email.
Grateful for any input.
Many thanks.


EMAIL BEGINS
QUESTION 1
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith noted that "it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process." They continued that due to the "grave danger" presented by the "uncontainable spread of a serious pathological agent — in this case, the pandemic spread of the SARS-CoV2 virus that causes Covid-19," "all vaccines recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience."

***Can you please speak to how you square the conclusions of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican COVID-19 Commission and the Pontifical Academy for Life that all of the COVID-19 vaccines are morally acceptable to Catholics with your statements that the Catholic Church teaches there is a moral duty to refuse the use of vaccines that are created using human cell lines derived from abortion?***

QUESTION 2
Pope Francis has said that ethically, everyone should take the vaccine, that “It is an ethical choice because you are gambling with your health, with your life, but you are also gambling with the lives of others.” The Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith emphasized that while vaccination — like all medical interventions — is voluntary, there is a moral "duty to protect one's own health [as well as] the duty to pursue the common good." The Catechism of the Catholic Church stresses the importance of loving thy neighbor, with that commandment summarizing all the others and expressing God’s entire will (CCC 2196 and 2822). The Pope’s statements reference the scientific support that immunization both reduces the chance of onward virus transmission to others and reduces the likelihood that an infected individual will need hospitalization. COVID outbreaks earlier this year strained hospital resources in many states, impacting the availability of life-saving care for even patients needing help unrelated to COVID.
Avoiding the vaccine may have a directly negative impact on a neighbor’s own health.
Pope Francis and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI have both taken the vaccine themselves.

***Can you please speak to how, as a Catholic, you square the directives of Pope Francis, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith and the Catechism, which speak of the moral duty to protect your own health and the health of others by taking the
vaccine, against your statements that vaccinations violate your Catholic religious convictions?***

EMAIL ENDS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80523042




Your first mistake was giving them too much info to begin with.

You should have just quoted the 1A.
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11/05/2021 10:00 PM
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Your first mistake was giving them too much info to begin with.

You should have just quoted the 1A.
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Or the 2nd.
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Your first mistake was giving them too much info to begin with.

You should have just quoted the 1A.
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Or the 2nd.
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11/05/2021 10:02 PM
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Know GLP is virulently anti-Catholic. Please ignore calls to abandon our faith.

Read this, it should help:
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Your employer ignored the part where the CDF made clear that ..."vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary. "

Read the whole thing and contact Janet Smith, the author, if you have to! She's amazing! My prayers are with you.
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11/06/2021 12:42 AM
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Using a catholic religious exemption when the vatican itself is forcing the vaccine isnt likely to have fruitful results. Dont connect yourself to that antichrist church or you will be destroyed with it.

All you say is God made man good, and you dont believe in man so called fixing Gods creation. Thats putting your faith in man over God. We put our health and faith in Jesus Christ. We believe sin results in plagues and illness, and repentance to Jesus cures such. Injecting cells derived from fetuses to prolong a persons life is called cannibalism
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ROMANS: 14-14 is all that’s needed!
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11/06/2021 12:57 AM
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Take a shit on the floor and walk out.
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I would have been more careful about disclosing to anyone my specific religious faith. Now that it appears to have been disclosed, you have to defend yourself.

Your employer might not realize that there is a growing divide right now between the progressive, modernist, post-Vatican II Church headed by the current Pope, and the pre-Vatican II traditionalist Church that celebrates the Latin Mass and represents a more conservative side of the Church, as evidenced by groups such as the SSPX, or retired Archbishop Vigano.

The traditionalist Catholic side of the Church is almost a church within a church, or in the case of the SSPX, a separate Catholic organization that has split from Rome.

I like the idea of getting an attorney involved. If it were me, I would probably give them a copy of Archbishop Vigano's recent letter made public. His arguments are sound and reflect a thoughtful, concise counter-argument.

Specifically, I would give them a copy of Letter #136, 2021, Wed, Oct 27: Archbishop Viganò’s Open Letter to Archbishop Jose Horacio Gomez, the text of which can be found online with a simple Google search.
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Unless the Pope is speaking ex cathedra, the things he says are not binding on Catholics.

The sources your employer quoted, including the Catechism, are not infallible and therefore not binding on Catholics.

The only infallible teachings binding are Catholics are those contained in ecumenical councils and those where the Pope speaks "ex cathedra."

It is a catholic teaching that a person ought to follow their own conscience, even if it is in error, because by following an erring conscience, it will eventually become rightly formed.

But a better strategy is the one outlined by a previous poster, who said to stall them out, force them to fire you and then collect unemployment. Then you can use the free money and free time to fight the beast.
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Do research on how tissues are acquired from 'aborted fetuses'. The tissues are taken from a living fetus without anaesthesia thereby killing the child.
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They literally murder the child by removing their organs and etc. They must be harvested from a living child.
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Understanding how fetuses are harvested, no person of conscience and morality could ever participate for to participate and 'benefit' is to condone it and perpetuate this evil.
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Convert him, theres no other way to win.
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You say the modern church, just as in Jesus day, has been overrun with evil and strayed from the word of God.

You reject the Church and embrace your religion through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's what the Protestants have been trying to tell you for years. Pope sold out long time ago, bro. The mere idea of a pope is abhorent.
The current one is especially evil.
The universe is basically an animal. It grazes on the ordinary. It creates infinite idiots just to eat them.

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EMAIL BEGINS
QUESTION 1
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

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Part of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, and The Pope has said NO exemption is endorsed by it!!

Fucking dumbass


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yes this is easy to answer. you have a genuine religious exemption you aren't just pretending to believe that. they "require" you to get vaccinated. therefore you quit and get a new job! what else can you do! remember dont tell them you were just kidding and making it up and shore you will get a vaccines!! dont tell them that or they will bust you for fibbing!!!

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