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Beta Carotene is NOT real Vitamin A.
The FDA or whoever labels foods passed a law a ways back that made it legal to label ingredients as Vitamin A even though they are absolutely NOT Vitamin A.
Beta Carotene is a Precursor to Vitamin A, and the conversion process is very inefficient, more recent studies say that you need 8 or more units of Beta Carotene to make 1 unit of Vitamin A.
Vitamin A is necessary in almost every process inside of the body, and Dr Weston Price found that our ancestors ate a diet that was profoundly higher in "True" Vitamin A than our modern diets.
"True" Vitamin A can only come from animal sources.

Vitamin A deficiencies are extremely widespread in the United states in my opinion, and Vitamin A is very important for Respiratory Health!
Vitamin A is stored in the body and is not toxic in its true form which is fat saleable. The Vitamin A toxicity problem comes from an over consumption of Beta Carotene's and synthetic forms which are NOT "True" Vitamin A.

This is in part what is driving the corona "Pandemic". We have widespread deficiencies of the fat saleable vitamins. Vitamin A and Vitamin D top the list.

Our ancestors knew and appreciated foods that were high in real Vitamin A, like organ meats. Liver does not store toxins, it stored nutrients.
Eat liver people...

I now blend raw frozen liver with fruit juice every other day and barely taste it. It gives a huge boost of long lasting energy, and has a anti-fatigue factor as well.

Rats fed liver swam in a barrel for hours vs the ones who were not fed liver. Those not fed liver died in 10-20 minutes.

I have two very important articles to share -

Please read up on this topic because I feel that the leaders are deceiving we the people and we are being weakened purposefully.

How do you see at night? Not good? That is probably because of a Vitamin A deficiency.

[link to www.westonaprice.org (secure)]

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"One of the most important roles of vitamin A is support of the immune system. When vitamin A supplements or cod liver oil are given to populations with low vitamin A status, there is a reduction of mortality and morbidity from measles, tuberculosis, diarrheal diseases and malaria.7-11 A lot of the benefit applies to children, but researchers also observed immune support in adults as well. Most of these illnesses actually use up one’s vitamin A in the process of combatting the disease. One vitamin A researcher has recommended that the RDA of vitamin A should be set according to the amount needed for the immune system, not for vision.12 And regarding this idea of “Recommended Dietary Allowance,” I think it is better to have a little more than we need, to err on the side of having enough, than having barely what we need, but always balanced with vitamin D such as in cod liver oil.

Your immune system has three basic lines of defense. First comes the outer barrier, mainly the skin and mucosal lining of the respiratory and intestinal tracts. This is the “castle and moat,” keeping viruses and other microbes from getting into the body—our skin, the cilia in our lungs and the tight junctions in our gut keep things from entering the bloodstream.

Secondly come the cells that act quickly on a foreign invader or an antigen. I call these the “patrol officers” because they are always out there ready to grab and arrest the bad guys. These include natural killer cells, macrophages, neutrophils and dendritic cells. These first two lines of defense, called the nonspecific or innate part of the immune system, act quickly, responding in a day or two.

The third line of defense is called the adaptive immune system—I think of this third line as the “special ops”. The lymphocytes, our adaptive response, know what they are looking for and how to get rid of it. The T-cell lymphocytes perform a direct kill and B-cell lymphocytes mark the invader with an antibody. Both of these create memory cells so the next time they encounter the same pathogen they can act much more quickly. The adaptive response takes at least a week to happen if the memory cells don’t exist from a previous encounter.

Here is what happens to your immune system when you lack vitamin A. The first line of defense becomes compromised. Your skin and all the mucosal tissues become dry so they don’t create a barrier anymore—the barrier isn’t as moist and smooth as it should be. In addition, the cilia (hairs) lining our respiratory tract aren’t created normally so they don’t work well. The number of goblet cells, which produce mucus, is reduced. Our mucus becomes thicker, and that can breed germs. There is a compound in the mucus called lysozome, which is antibacterial. When we lack vitamin A, the synthesis of lysozome is reduced.

In the second line of defense, the number of natural killer cells, macrophages and neutrophils, are all reduced when you lack vitamin A—you don’t have to be deficient but just insufficient for the production of these to be reduced. Also, the ability of the macrophages to capture offenders declines and the microbicidal activity of neutrophils is reduced.

Natural killer cells are very cool. They sound tough, and they are. They are often the first cells on the job, going after invaders. Their sole purpose is to kill abnormal cells. The more vitamin A you have, the more natural killer cells you have, and the better they work. Natural killer cells are a type of lymphocyte that provides protection against viral infections and cancer. With adequate vitamin A, they can work within three days to destroy targeted cells, including cancer cells. Does this mean that all we need is natural killer cells? Certainly not! The immune system is much more complicated, but we really do want our natural killer cells to be on the job.

As for the third part of the immune system, the adaptive immune system, vitamin A increases the number of B-cells by supporting their maturation and their survival. This is essential for production of all the antibodies. It helps you convert T-cells into T-regulatory cells. These T-regs activate B-cells. Vitamin A induces gut homing, which helps your T-cells know it is time to go to the gut and take care of business there.

There is a special type of antibody called secretory IgA found in our saliva and all of our mucus. It traps pathogens and toxins by grabbing them quickly. Newborns get secretory IgA from breast milk where it is attached to the good bacteria. You can see why it is so important to breastfeed a newborn.

On top of that, vitamin A itself maintains healthy gut bacteria. In studies where they’ve made the mice vitamin A- and zinc-deficient, researchers observed that they produced lower secretory IgA. We don’t want babies born to mothers who are deficient in vitamin A and certainly, we want to encourage breastfeeding. We want the mothers to have plenty of vitamin A so their breast milk can support good immunity and gut health for their babies.

Speaking of gestational vitamin A deficiency, when mice were made vitamin A-deficient, their offspring were born with smaller lymph nodes. That is where all the T- and B-cells are made. As adults, the mice had impaired immune response, indicating that vitamin A deficiency effects are persistent into adulthood. It is hard to measure this type of thing in humans as there are so many different factors at play, but we certainly know this is happening in animals because of animal studies.

Besides keeping our immune system prepared to deal with pathogens, vitamin A allows our immune system to be tolerant. We want a tolerant immune system that doesn’t overreact to things. We want it to know when it should do its job and when it should lie low. We want it to recognize ourselves as ourselves, so we don’t develop autoimmune diseases. We want it to know when something is a non-threatening outsider because if we don’t, we get allergies. Vitamin A helps us do that by keeping our immune system from overreacting. It does the majority of this work in the gut because the gut is one of the first places where our bodies make these decisions.

Without adequate vitamin A, the body makes fewer T-reg cells and more Th17 cells, which has a proinf lammatory effect. One nutritionally-oriented doctor I follow says he uses 12,500 IU of vitamin A daily to treat allergies and autoimmune disease. I think that is a good amount. Of course, the vitamin A should never be given alone but with sources of vitamin D and zinc.

You also need to think about having a healthy gut microbiome, as this works in conjunction with secretory IgA. If you’ve got vitamin A deficiency, you’ll have a higher propensity for autoimmune disease, partly because you don’t have as many T-regulatory cells."

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Niacinamide is not niacin.
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Beta carotene is weak, but it’s not bad for you.

That crap fake “Vitamin A” palmitate, is bad for you though.

Anyway, OP is right. Liver has real Vitamin A.

Also, raw milk.

And I’m guessing egg yolks, but not 100% sure on that one. Egg yolks have almost everything you need, therefore I’d imagine that they have a decent amount of Vitamin A.

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you are sick to eat raw meat. Bloody hell
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
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You need Vitamin A. Just don’t over do it.

Also, what else was in those supplements?
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
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Have you tried eating the real thing? It was probably an added ingredient or filler causing that reaction.
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Beta carotene is weak, but it’s not bad for you.

That palmitate crap “Vitamin A” is bad for you though.

Anyway, OP is right. Liver has real Vitamin A.

Also, raw milk.

And I’m guessing egg yolks, but not 100% sure on that one. Egg yolks have almost everything you need, therefore I’d imagine that they have a decent amount of Vitamin A.
 Quoting: Asuralikeproduction


Yea, I see that they are now adding the Palmitate crap to cod liver oil supplements.. Not good at all.
Also, yes Egg yolks are a good source of real Vitamin A as well
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Beta carotene is weak, but it’s not bad for you.

That palmitate crap “Vitamin A” is bad for you though.

Anyway, OP is right. Liver has real Vitamin A.

Also, raw milk.

And I’m guessing egg yolks, but not 100% sure on that one. Egg yolks have almost everything you need, therefore I’d imagine that they have a decent amount of Vitamin A.
 Quoting: Asuralikeproduction


Yea, I see that they are now adding the Palmitate crap to cod liver oil supplements.. Not good at all.
Also, yes Egg yolks are a good source of real Vitamin A as well
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And real butter. Not a particularly high source but if eaten
on a regular basis will contribute to maintaining levels.
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Beta Carotene is NOT real Vitamin A.
The FDA or whoever labels foods passed a law a ways back that made it legal to label ingredients as Vitamin A even though they are absolutely NOT Vitamin A.
Beta Carotene is a Precursor to Vitamin A, and the conversion process is very inefficient, more recent studies say that you need 8 or more units of Beta Carotene to make 1 unit of Vitamin A.
Vitamin A is necessary in almost every process inside of the body, and Dr Weston Price found that our ancestors ate a diet that was profoundly higher in "True" Vitamin A than our modern diets.
"True" Vitamin A can only come from animal sources.

Vitamin A deficiencies are extremely widespread in the United states in my opinion, and Vitamin A is very important for Respiratory Health!
Vitamin A is stored in the body and is not toxic in its true form which is fat saleable. The Vitamin A toxicity problem comes from an over consumption of Beta Carotene's and synthetic forms which are NOT "True" Vitamin A.

This is in part what is driving the corona "Pandemic". We have widespread deficiencies of the fat saleable vitamins. Vitamin A and Vitamin D top the list.

Our ancestors knew and appreciated foods that were high in real Vitamin A, like organ meats. Liver does not store toxins, it stored nutrients.
Eat liver people...

I now blend raw frozen liver with fruit juice every other day and barely taste it. It gives a huge boost of long lasting energy, and has a anti-fatigue factor as well.

Rats fed liver swam in a barrel for hours vs the ones who were not fed liver. Those not fed liver died in 10-20 minutes.

I have two very important articles to share -

Please read up on this topic because I feel that the leaders are deceiving we the people and we are being weakened purposefully.

How do you see at night? Not good? That is probably because of a Vitamin A deficiency.

[link to www.westonaprice.org (secure)]

[link to www.westonaprice.org (secure)]

"One of the most important roles of vitamin A is support of the immune system. When vitamin A supplements or cod liver oil are given to populations with low vitamin A status, there is a reduction of mortality and morbidity from measles, tuberculosis, diarrheal diseases and malaria.7-11 A lot of the benefit applies to children, but researchers also observed immune support in adults as well. Most of these illnesses actually use up one’s vitamin A in the process of combatting the disease. One vitamin A researcher has recommended that the RDA of vitamin A should be set according to the amount needed for the immune system, not for vision.12 And regarding this idea of “Recommended Dietary Allowance,” I think it is better to have a little more than we need, to err on the side of having enough, than having barely what we need, but always balanced with vitamin D such as in cod liver oil.

Your immune system has three basic lines of defense. First comes the outer barrier, mainly the skin and mucosal lining of the respiratory and intestinal tracts. This is the “castle and moat,” keeping viruses and other microbes from getting into the body—our skin, the cilia in our lungs and the tight junctions in our gut keep things from entering the bloodstream.

Secondly come the cells that act quickly on a foreign invader or an antigen. I call these the “patrol officers” because they are always out there ready to grab and arrest the bad guys. These include natural killer cells, macrophages, neutrophils and dendritic cells. These first two lines of defense, called the nonspecific or innate part of the immune system, act quickly, responding in a day or two.

The third line of defense is called the adaptive immune system—I think of this third line as the “special ops”. The lymphocytes, our adaptive response, know what they are looking for and how to get rid of it. The T-cell lymphocytes perform a direct kill and B-cell lymphocytes mark the invader with an antibody. Both of these create memory cells so the next time they encounter the same pathogen they can act much more quickly. The adaptive response takes at least a week to happen if the memory cells don’t exist from a previous encounter.

Here is what happens to your immune system when you lack vitamin A. The first line of defense becomes compromised. Your skin and all the mucosal tissues become dry so they don’t create a barrier anymore—the barrier isn’t as moist and smooth as it should be. In addition, the cilia (hairs) lining our respiratory tract aren’t created normally so they don’t work well. The number of goblet cells, which produce mucus, is reduced. Our mucus becomes thicker, and that can breed germs. There is a compound in the mucus called lysozome, which is antibacterial. When we lack vitamin A, the synthesis of lysozome is reduced.

In the second line of defense, the number of natural killer cells, macrophages and neutrophils, are all reduced when you lack vitamin A—you don’t have to be deficient but just insufficient for the production of these to be reduced. Also, the ability of the macrophages to capture offenders declines and the microbicidal activity of neutrophils is reduced.

Natural killer cells are very cool. They sound tough, and they are. They are often the first cells on the job, going after invaders. Their sole purpose is to kill abnormal cells. The more vitamin A you have, the more natural killer cells you have, and the better they work. Natural killer cells are a type of lymphocyte that provides protection against viral infections and cancer. With adequate vitamin A, they can work within three days to destroy targeted cells, including cancer cells. Does this mean that all we need is natural killer cells? Certainly not! The immune system is much more complicated, but we really do want our natural killer cells to be on the job.

As for the third part of the immune system, the adaptive immune system, vitamin A increases the number of B-cells by supporting their maturation and their survival. This is essential for production of all the antibodies. It helps you convert T-cells into T-regulatory cells. These T-regs activate B-cells. Vitamin A induces gut homing, which helps your T-cells know it is time to go to the gut and take care of business there.

There is a special type of antibody called secretory IgA found in our saliva and all of our mucus. It traps pathogens and toxins by grabbing them quickly. Newborns get secretory IgA from breast milk where it is attached to the good bacteria. You can see why it is so important to breastfeed a newborn.

On top of that, vitamin A itself maintains healthy gut bacteria. In studies where they’ve made the mice vitamin A- and zinc-deficient, researchers observed that they produced lower secretory IgA. We don’t want babies born to mothers who are deficient in vitamin A and certainly, we want to encourage breastfeeding. We want the mothers to have plenty of vitamin A so their breast milk can support good immunity and gut health for their babies.

Speaking of gestational vitamin A deficiency, when mice were made vitamin A-deficient, their offspring were born with smaller lymph nodes. That is where all the T- and B-cells are made. As adults, the mice had impaired immune response, indicating that vitamin A deficiency effects are persistent into adulthood. It is hard to measure this type of thing in humans as there are so many different factors at play, but we certainly know this is happening in animals because of animal studies.

Besides keeping our immune system prepared to deal with pathogens, vitamin A allows our immune system to be tolerant. We want a tolerant immune system that doesn’t overreact to things. We want it to know when it should do its job and when it should lie low. We want it to recognize ourselves as ourselves, so we don’t develop autoimmune diseases. We want it to know when something is a non-threatening outsider because if we don’t, we get allergies. Vitamin A helps us do that by keeping our immune system from overreacting. It does the majority of this work in the gut because the gut is one of the first places where our bodies make these decisions.

Without adequate vitamin A, the body makes fewer T-reg cells and more Th17 cells, which has a proinf lammatory effect. One nutritionally-oriented doctor I follow says he uses 12,500 IU of vitamin A daily to treat allergies and autoimmune disease. I think that is a good amount. Of course, the vitamin A should never be given alone but with sources of vitamin D and zinc.

You also need to think about having a healthy gut microbiome, as this works in conjunction with secretory IgA. If you’ve got vitamin A deficiency, you’ll have a higher propensity for autoimmune disease, partly because you don’t have as many T-regulatory cells."
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The highlighted portion above is what essentially makes the solution bsflag

…….in order to minimize our Covid risk, let’s up our vitamin A intake by HUGELY adding to our likelihood of getting WORSE sicknesses eg salmonella/ Hepatitis E- viruses?

1.Disgusting

and

2. WTF ???!!!
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


Have you tried eating the real thing? It was probably an added ingredient or filler causing that reaction.
 Quoting: Citrapop


I do not eat liver but I do eat a lot of animal foods. These supplements had no additives or fillers, just dessicated beef organs. Many people rave about them for various health problems. The company puts liver in almost every single product which I wish they wouldn't do but the owner believes liver to be a superfood. It would be great if the heart just contained heart, and the kidneys just contained kidneys etc I have tried making sweet breads but was not happy with how they came out.
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great info. Thank you OP In the old days folks ate a lot of offal. Not so much anymore.
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


Have you tried eating the real thing? It was probably an added ingredient or filler causing that reaction.
 Quoting: Citrapop


I do not eat liver but I do eat a lot of animal foods. These supplements had no additives or fillers, just dessicated beef organs. Many people rave about them for various health problems. The company puts liver in almost every single product which I wish they wouldn't do but the owner believes liver to be a superfood. It would be great if the heart just contained heart, and the kidneys just contained kidneys etc I have tried making sweet breads but was not happy with how they came out.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


and I know that this is a vitamin a thing because beta carotene will cause the bottoms of the feet and palms to turn yellow/orange before any other part of the body. Maybe some people can't metabolize vit a or beta carotene?
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


Have you tried eating the real thing? It was probably an added ingredient or filler causing that reaction.
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When babies eat carrots they color yellow a bit.
That's normal and disappears of itself.
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


Have you tried eating the real thing? It was probably an added ingredient or filler causing that reaction.
 Quoting: Citrapop


I do not eat liver but I do eat a lot of animal foods. These supplements had no additives or fillers, just dessicated beef organs. Many people rave about them for various health problems. The company puts liver in almost every single product which I wish they wouldn't do but the owner believes liver to be a superfood. It would be great if the heart just contained heart, and the kidneys just contained kidneys etc I have tried making sweet breads but was not happy with how they came out.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


and I know that this is a vitamin a thing because beta carotene will cause the bottoms of the feet and palms to turn yellow/orange before any other part of the body. Maybe some people can't metabolize vit a or beta carotene?
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting

It's a quantity issue. My son ate carrots several days in a row and started turning slightly orange, especially his palms. It went away after stopping carrots for a while.
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Thank you op I have to supplement with vitamin A and have been taking for a few years the one you both mentioned is crap..noted. so I can't eat to much red meat due to digestion problems etc. What good A is recommended. Appreciate your information.
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Flamingos have pink feathers because they eat red algae.
Eat red beets and look in the toilet next day for the result. LOL

You are what you eat.
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Thanks OP!

Do some research on lutein and zeaxanthin...

Marigolds are the key.

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fermented cod liver and butter oil?
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I don't know how to feel about vitamin A. There is an entire camp who think it's toxic. I was taking organ supplements for awhile and the bottoms of my feet turned yellow. I have stopped taking them and been using foot detox pads (was using them before the organ meats) and my feet are finally returning to a normal color.
 Quoting: Watchingwaiting


Have you tried eating the real thing? It was probably an added ingredient or filler causing that reaction.
 Quoting: Citrapop


When babies eat carrots they color yellow a bit.
That's normal and disappears of itself.
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That's a sign of poisoning. Their livers can't handle the vitamin a. When they grow and their livers grow they can store more of it in the liver. Do not feed your baby foods that have vitamin a and beta carotene! Saves them from a lot of health issues in the future.
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If you have vitamin a toxicity you could be hypothyroid. Some of my vit a symptoms decreased after I started using pro-thyroid supps like t3, progesterone, pregnenolone, b3, etc. I don’t know all the science but vitamin a is part of the cholesterol to hormones cycle. The body has to use it up or it gets stored and becomes a problem.

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SOURCES OF VITAMIN A

The sources of vitamin A can be divided into sources of pre-formed vitamin A and sources of beta-carotene and other carotenes, which are precursor substances that the body can often convert to true vitamin A.

Sources of pre-formed vitamin A.

1. animal-based foods including some fish oils, including cod liver oil, sardine oil and salmon oil. Others are meats, eggs, cheeses, yogurt, kefir, and chicken, to some degree. Animals help convert the carotenes to the pre-formed vitamin A so that we don’t have to do it.

2. Semi-synthetic pre-formed vitamin A. This is sold as a supplement, and its technical name is retinyl palmitate. It is not quite as active or strong as the natural vitamin A, and it is slightly toxic. However, it can be used instead of the natural vitamin A from fish oils.

beta-carotene and other carotenes

Sources include most dark green, orange, red and yellow vegetables such as Swiss chard, carrots, peppers and other vegetables.

Re: Beta-carotene. Our bodies can convert some beta-carotene to the active form of vitamin A. However, if the thyroid gland is not working well (which is very common today, especially among women), then the conversion does not occur adequately.
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I have found out the hard way that vitamin A is something you don't want to overdo.

If I was starting from scratch I would never, ever take a vitamin A supplement. (such as cod liver oil) I would also do the math and not go over the RDA for vitamin A in my daily diet Including carotenes.

It is said that some people don't convert carotenes, and others do. I'm not sure which is worse, really.

See the work of Grant Genereux to read the opposite side of the coin about vitamin A.

Many healthy foods are full of vitamin A. That doesn't mean Vitamin A is something you want to overdose on. Eat those healthy foods, but do the math and don't go overboard.

Vitamin A is fat-soluble, and overages are hard to get rid of. It's not like other vitamins that you can just pee out.

I disaggree that Vitamin A deficiency is everywhere, and I would say the opposite is true: it is hard to avoid Vitamin A! Especially if you eat natural whole foods (which I have always done).

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I have found out the hard way that vitamin A is something you don't want to overdo.

If I was starting from scratch I would never, ever take a vitamin A supplement. (such as cod liver oil) I would also do the math and not go over the RDA for vitamin A in my daily diet Including carotenes.

It is said that some people don't convert carotenes, and others do. I'm not sure which is worse, really.

See the work of Grant Genereux to read the opposite side of the coin about vitamin A.

Many healthy foods are full of vitamin A. That doesn't mean Vitamin A is something you want to overdose on. Eat those healthy foods, but do the math and don't go overboard.

Vitamin A is fat-soluble, and overages are hard to get rid of. It's not like other vitamins that you can just pee out.

I disaggree that Vitamin A deficiency is everywhere, and I would say the opposite is true: it is hard to avoid Vitamin A! Especially if you eat natural whole foods (which I have always done).
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Vitamin A Toxicity does not happen from eating true Vitamin A, from animals. The toxicity happens from eating too much Carotenes which is a precursor and is not even Vitamin A to begin with.
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I have found out the hard way that vitamin A is something you don't want to overdo.

If I was starting from scratch I would never, ever take a vitamin A supplement. (such as cod liver oil) I would also do the math and not go over the RDA for vitamin A in my daily diet Including carotenes.

It is said that some people don't convert carotenes, and others do. I'm not sure which is worse, really.

See the work of Grant Genereux to read the opposite side of the coin about vitamin A.

Many healthy foods are full of vitamin A. That doesn't mean Vitamin A is something you want to overdose on. Eat those healthy foods, but do the math and don't go overboard.

Vitamin A is fat-soluble, and overages are hard to get rid of. It's not like other vitamins that you can just pee out.

I disaggree that Vitamin A deficiency is everywhere, and I would say the opposite is true: it is hard to avoid Vitamin A! Especially if you eat natural whole foods (which I have always done).
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folic acid is not folate.


beef liver is a good source of natural folate.
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I have found out the hard way that vitamin A is something you don't want to overdo.

If I was starting from scratch I would never, ever take a vitamin A supplement. (such as cod liver oil) I would also do the math and not go over the RDA for vitamin A in my daily diet Including carotenes.

It is said that some people don't convert carotenes, and others do. I'm not sure which is worse, really.

See the work of Grant Genereux to read the opposite side of the coin about vitamin A.

Many healthy foods are full of vitamin A. That doesn't mean Vitamin A is something you want to overdose on. Eat those healthy foods, but do the math and don't go overboard.

Vitamin A is fat-soluble, and overages are hard to get rid of. It's not like other vitamins that you can just pee out.

I disaggree that Vitamin A deficiency is everywhere, and I would say the opposite is true: it is hard to avoid Vitamin A! Especially if you eat natural whole foods (which I have always done).
 Quoting: Eilonwy


Vitamin A Toxicity does not happen from eating true Vitamin A, from animals. The toxicity happens from eating too much Carotenes which is a precursor and is not even Vitamin A to begin with.
 Quoting: Citrapop


Look, I didn't eat anything but animal foods for over a year. Not one single carrot during that time and my feet turned yellow. I'm not saying vitamin a is definitely toxic or toxic to everyone but there are some people it appears to be toxic to. Even in the carnivore community, there is not a consensus on this. Some are adamant NO ORGAN MEATS, others like Dr. Saladino are heavy proponents.


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Beta Carotene is NOT real Vitamin A.
The FDA or whoever labels foods passed a law a ways back that made it legal to label ingredients as Vitamin A even though they are absolutely NOT Vitamin A.
Beta Carotene is a Precursor to Vitamin A, and the conversion process is very inefficient, more recent studies say that you need 8 or more units of Beta Carotene to make 1 unit of Vitamin A.
Vitamin A is necessary in almost every process inside of the body, and Dr Weston Price found that our ancestors ate a diet that was profoundly higher in "True" Vitamin A than our modern diets.
"True" Vitamin A can only come from animal sources.

Vitamin A deficiencies are extremely widespread in the United states in my opinion, and Vitamin A is very important for Respiratory Health!
Vitamin A is stored in the body and is not toxic in its true form which is fat saleable. The Vitamin A toxicity problem comes from an over consumption of Beta Carotene's and synthetic forms which are NOT "True" Vitamin A.

This is in part what is driving the corona "Pandemic". We have widespread deficiencies of the fat saleable vitamins. Vitamin A and Vitamin D top the list.

Our ancestors knew and appreciated foods that were high in real Vitamin A, like organ meats. Liver does not store toxins, it stored nutrients.
Eat liver people...

I now blend raw frozen liver with fruit juice every other day and barely taste it. It gives a huge boost of long lasting energy, and has a anti-fatigue factor as well.

Rats fed liver swam in a barrel for hours vs the ones who were not fed liver. Those not fed liver died in 10-20 minutes.

I have two very important articles to share -

Please read up on this topic because I feel that the leaders are deceiving we the people and we are being weakened purposefully.

How do you see at night? Not good? That is probably because of a Vitamin A deficiency.

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"One of the most important roles of vitamin A is support of the immune system. When vitamin A supplements or cod liver oil are given to populations with low vitamin A status, there is a reduction of mortality and morbidity from measles, tuberculosis, diarrheal diseases and malaria.7-11 A lot of the benefit applies to children, but researchers also observed immune support in adults as well. Most of these illnesses actually use up one’s vitamin A in the process of combatting the disease. One vitamin A researcher has recommended that the RDA of vitamin A should be set according to the amount needed for the immune system, not for vision.12 And regarding this idea of “Recommended Dietary Allowance,” I think it is better to have a little more than we need, to err on the side of having enough, than having barely what we need, but always balanced with vitamin D such as in cod liver oil.

Your immune system has three basic lines of defense. First comes the outer barrier, mainly the skin and mucosal lining of the respiratory and intestinal tracts. This is the “castle and moat,” keeping viruses and other microbes from getting into the body—our skin, the cilia in our lungs and the tight junctions in our gut keep things from entering the bloodstream.

Secondly come the cells that act quickly on a foreign invader or an antigen. I call these the “patrol officers” because they are always out there ready to grab and arrest the bad guys. These include natural killer cells, macrophages, neutrophils and dendritic cells. These first two lines of defense, called the nonspecific or innate part of the immune system, act quickly, responding in a day or two.

The third line of defense is called the adaptive immune system—I think of this third line as the “special ops”. The lymphocytes, our adaptive response, know what they are looking for and how to get rid of it. The T-cell lymphocytes perform a direct kill and B-cell lymphocytes mark the invader with an antibody. Both of these create memory cells so the next time they encounter the same pathogen they can act much more quickly. The adaptive response takes at least a week to happen if the memory cells don’t exist from a previous encounter.

Here is what happens to your immune system when you lack vitamin A. The first line of defense becomes compromised. Your skin and all the mucosal tissues become dry so they don’t create a barrier anymore—the barrier isn’t as moist and smooth as it should be. In addition, the cilia (hairs) lining our respiratory tract aren’t created normally so they don’t work well. The number of goblet cells, which produce mucus, is reduced. Our mucus becomes thicker, and that can breed germs. There is a compound in the mucus called lysozome, which is antibacterial. When we lack vitamin A, the synthesis of lysozome is reduced.

In the second line of defense, the number of natural killer cells, macrophages and neutrophils, are all reduced when you lack vitamin A—you don’t have to be deficient but just insufficient for the production of these to be reduced. Also, the ability of the macrophages to capture offenders declines and the microbicidal activity of neutrophils is reduced.

Natural killer cells are very cool. They sound tough, and they are. They are often the first cells on the job, going after invaders. Their sole purpose is to kill abnormal cells. The more vitamin A you have, the more natural killer cells you have, and the better they work. Natural killer cells are a type of lymphocyte that provides protection against viral infections and cancer. With adequate vitamin A, they can work within three days to destroy targeted cells, including cancer cells. Does this mean that all we need is natural killer cells? Certainly not! The immune system is much more complicated, but we really do want our natural killer cells to be on the job.

As for the third part of the immune system, the adaptive immune system, vitamin A increases the number of B-cells by supporting their maturation and their survival. This is essential for production of all the antibodies. It helps you convert T-cells into T-regulatory cells. These T-regs activate B-cells. Vitamin A induces gut homing, which helps your T-cells know it is time to go to the gut and take care of business there.

There is a special type of antibody called secretory IgA found in our saliva and all of our mucus. It traps pathogens and toxins by grabbing them quickly. Newborns get secretory IgA from breast milk where it is attached to the good bacteria. You can see why it is so important to breastfeed a newborn.

On top of that, vitamin A itself maintains healthy gut bacteria. In studies where they’ve made the mice vitamin A- and zinc-deficient, researchers observed that they produced lower secretory IgA. We don’t want babies born to mothers who are deficient in vitamin A and certainly, we want to encourage breastfeeding. We want the mothers to have plenty of vitamin A so their breast milk can support good immunity and gut health for their babies.

Speaking of gestational vitamin A deficiency, when mice were made vitamin A-deficient, their offspring were born with smaller lymph nodes. That is where all the T- and B-cells are made. As adults, the mice had impaired immune response, indicating that vitamin A deficiency effects are persistent into adulthood. It is hard to measure this type of thing in humans as there are so many different factors at play, but we certainly know this is happening in animals because of animal studies.

Besides keeping our immune system prepared to deal with pathogens, vitamin A allows our immune system to be tolerant. We want a tolerant immune system that doesn’t overreact to things. We want it to know when it should do its job and when it should lie low. We want it to recognize ourselves as ourselves, so we don’t develop autoimmune diseases. We want it to know when something is a non-threatening outsider because if we don’t, we get allergies. Vitamin A helps us do that by keeping our immune system from overreacting. It does the majority of this work in the gut because the gut is one of the first places where our bodies make these decisions.

Without adequate vitamin A, the body makes fewer T-reg cells and more Th17 cells, which has a proinf lammatory effect. One nutritionally-oriented doctor I follow says he uses 12,500 IU of vitamin A daily to treat allergies and autoimmune disease. I think that is a good amount. Of course, the vitamin A should never be given alone but with sources of vitamin D and zinc.

You also need to think about having a healthy gut microbiome, as this works in conjunction with secretory IgA. If you’ve got vitamin A deficiency, you’ll have a higher propensity for autoimmune disease, partly because you don’t have as many T-regulatory cells."

Wow! Thank you. This is fabulous!

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Niacinamide is not niacin.
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Niacinamide is niacin.

Its the only form of vitamin B3 that is in your body.


When you take niacin, your body turns it into niacinamide.
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I have found out the hard way that vitamin A is something you don't want to overdo.

If I was starting from scratch I would never, ever take a vitamin A supplement. (such as cod liver oil) I would also do the math and not go over the RDA for vitamin A in my daily diet Including carotenes.

It is said that some people don't convert carotenes, and others do. I'm not sure which is worse, really.

See the work of Grant Genereux to read the opposite side of the coin about vitamin A.

Many healthy foods are full of vitamin A. That doesn't mean Vitamin A is something you want to overdose on. Eat those healthy foods, but do the math and don't go overboard.

Vitamin A is fat-soluble, and overages are hard to get rid of. It's not like other vitamins that you can just pee out.

I disaggree that Vitamin A deficiency is everywhere, and I would say the opposite is true: it is hard to avoid Vitamin A! Especially if you eat natural whole foods (which I have always done).
 Quoting: Eilonwy


Read the articles
 Quoting: Citrapop

I was one of the first people in my area to join the Weston Price Foundataion.

Over the next 15 years I ate prodigious amounts of vitamin A in animal foods and supplements.

I am a homesteader and have eaten tons of eggs, cream, milk, cheese, liver, pumpkin etc.

I am now dealing with the fallout.

I thank the day I found Grant Genereux.

I'm sorry OP.

I know it's kind of a bummer.
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