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FOR CORONACOASTER: COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects

 
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It looks enticing, but I always ask: AT WHAT COST?
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I don't know, but I'm guessing cheaper than the price India paid... Which was several million people in 2 months.
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AC's can often have interesting and insightful commentary.

Sometimes members just don't want to log in. I think the key is not to troll fight and bait. That often escalates this. You can just move on.

Locally, U.S., the numbers are going down. I think that many feel they are out of the woods, but this is just the beginning of the season. Meanwhile, Europe is going up again. What? Five weeks to reach us and seeing the U.S. increase cases again has been the pattern.

According the Worldmeters, the percentage for the World numbers is going up again, very slightly, but going up.
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Thanks to you for starting a new thread that will keep the agitators, etc in check. I too hope that CC2 is okay and will return when he is able to. He is missed. Good luck to you TempCC2 for your outcome after receiving the vaccines. It is tough to be forced to do something against what one is comfortable with, all I can say is be well and stay strong.

This has been percolating along, and thought it worth sharing:

[link to thevaccinereaction.org (secure)]

Nordic Nations Suspend Use of Moderna COVID Shot Over Heart Inflammation Concerns
by TVR Staff Published October 24, 2021

Following reports of an increased risk of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart) in young adults after receiving Moderna/NIAID’s experimental messenger RNA (mRNA) COVID-19 biologic known as “Spikevax,” the governments of Denmark, Norway and Sweden have suspended the shot or will not make it available for people under 30 years of age (in Norway and Sweden) and under 18 years of age (in Denmark). The restrictions were announced on Oct. 6, 2021.

The government of Finland followed suit on Oct. 7 with its own suspension of the Spikevax for males under 30 years of age.1 3 4 5 Additionally, on Oct. 8, the government of Iceland entirely halted use of the Spikevax for everyone in that country. ...
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The Amish approach to Rona. More than one way to approach a bio weapon/(simply my opinion) pandemic. That people have been left isolated and alone in the hospital(s) to die seems inhumane and unnecessary (PPE could be worn by visitors just like the medical staff).



When it comes to actions taken to address the Covid-19 threat, hindsight is still very much underway. For your consideration: a story and outcome you probably aren’t hearing much about anywhere else. It takes place in the heart of Amish country. Full Measure - Sharyl Attkisson
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It looks enticing, but I always ask: AT WHAT COST?
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I don't know, but I'm guessing cheaper than the price India paid... Which was several million people in 2 months.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Well, it's debateable.
The "mystery deaths" added to the vax column make them much more comparable in the short 28d window I use.. but that is a worst-case for the vax (i.e. every mystery is a vax-death .. not saying that they are vax deaths but I want a handle on worst case.)...

And it remains to be seen whether the picture will deteriorate for either camp over winter.

I'm staying on the sidelines.
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I suggest locking this thread to AC posters, so that you don't have to do so much cleanup, Whitepied. It means we lose a few good ACs, but it also means much less of a headache for you.
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Yes, let me see how to do it as I am also quite busy with my work, I prefer to just post research and news since I came across them everyday.

:-) I am also arranging someone (I will hide the person's ID first, unless self reveal by this person) to help on the moderation, thousand thanks to this volunteer.

The volunteer will fully decide everything on the moderation, whether to open to AC or Close as when needed.
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Uncle Doom posts as an AC.
I would not do it...
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Darn... good point! We want UD's posts.
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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This is hilarious!
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The Times (i.e. UK broadsheet) has run an article saying that:-
"A statistical anomaly in the calculation of population sizes has led some to believe it is more dangerous to get the jab"

and

"Government's COVID vaccine data [is] providing material for conspiracy theorists"

I think they are looking at this:

Here is an animated GIf UK case rates (per 100k of the relevant population) amongst the vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

I replicated it as best I could from the UK population pyramid, vax rates, and cases reported.

Something is going wrong..
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The inset plot is from the HSA official pdf. They dont use the same scale each week, but I did - to make it clearer for the trend.
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I can say with confidence that The Times' story is FAKE NEWS. They are calling for the Government to stop producing the data!

Come debate me, Tom, if you dare!

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Dear The Times: Of course, there IS at least one logical reason why case rates/100k pop might be higher in the vaxxed, right?! I mean the vaxxed population's immune systems are not reacting naturally to an infection....

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Don’t take it from me, I don’t even get to tweet anymore.

Take it from a little place I call the British government. Which admitted today, in its newest vaccine surveillance report, that:

“N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)

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Dear The Times: Of course, there IS at least one logical reason why case rates/100k pop might be higher in the vaxxed, right?! I mean the vaxxed population's immune systems are not reacting naturally to an infection....

Alex Berenson

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Don’t take it from me, I don’t even get to tweet anymore.

Take it from a little place I call the British government. Which admitted today, in its newest vaccine surveillance report, that:

“N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)

[link to assets.publishing.service.gov.uk (secure)]
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What I wonder about is how prevalent the supposed "supercold" is in the vaxxed vs unvaxxed
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What I wonder about is how prevalent the supposed "supercold" is in the vaxxed vs unvaxxed
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That would be a good question!
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What I wonder about is how prevalent the supposed "supercold" is in the vaxxed vs unvaxxed
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That would be a good question!
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Infected versus not infected

Like the rsv wave
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Artemisia Annua. I suggest strongly that you all learn to cultivate said plant in whatever locale that you find yourself. I would also strongly suggest that you take the time to educate yourself as to why I would advise such a thing; think of this as a health intervention.

Mrs Doom and I have been crunching the flow chart - and the writing is now clear - from initial infection all the way to terminal phase.


THIS IS UNEQUIVICALLY A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON.



Let me break it down quickly.


3 routes to get into the body - lung, ingested, absorbed.

3 classical routes to get into the brain and CNS & the Peyer's patches attack route in gut is the single most evil thing either of us have ever encountered. Ever.

3 ways for the virus to evade detection.

3 ways to decimate the bodies immune system and then hijack the response to cause harm as well as THE VIRUS SWITCHES OFF THE PAIN SIGNALLING ABILITY OF THE BODY IN A LARGE SWATHE OF PATIENTS. They walk about feeling 'fine' but actually have lungs filling up and their intestinal tissue is rotting inside of them.


3 ways to make sure that 'it', the virus and payload delivery vehicle, has vast amounts of cellular life to feed itself upon. The most evil is the route where they cause rampant metastasis to occour due to the absolute torrential torrent of VEGF to surge through the body. This gives the virus so many extra cells to slip into and feed upon that it (VEGF) is found to be at unheard of levels in 85% of ALL long covid sufferers.


This is a weapon. A weapon that underwent a metamorphosis through humanized tissue animal experimentation and then got into the wild.


I will state now that never, not in all our combined years of experience, ever encountered a pathogen that has been so perfectly designed to survive - this is a unique creation, and were it not a weapon, and were it for the common good? Would deserve a Nobel prize. That is how perfected this is.


Invade, colonize, maim, overburden, destroy. Win.
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Artemisia Annua. I suggest strongly that you all learn to cultivate said plant in whatever locale that you find yourself. I would also strongly suggest that you take the time to educate yourself as to why I would advise such a thing; think of this as a health intervention.

Mrs Doom and I have been crunching the flow chart - and the writing is now clear - from initial infection all the way to terminal phase.


THIS IS UNEQUIVICALLY A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON.



Let me break it down quickly.


3 routes to get into the body - lung, ingested, absorbed.

3 classical routes to get into the brain and CNS & the Peyer's patches attack route in gut is the single most evil thing either of us have ever encountered. Ever.

3 ways for the virus to evade detection.

3 ways to decimate the bodies immune system and then hijack the response to cause harm as well as THE VIRUS SWITCHES OFF THE PAIN SIGNALLING ABILITY OF THE BODY IN A LARGE SWATHE OF PATIENTS. They walk about feeling 'fine' but actually have lungs filling up and their intestinal tissue is rotting inside of them.


3 ways to make sure that 'it', the virus and payload delivery vehicle, has vast amounts of cellular life to feed itself upon. The most evil is the route where they cause rampant metastasis to occour due to the absolute torrential torrent of VEGF to surge through the body. This gives the virus so many extra cells to slip into and feed upon that it (VEGF) is found to be at unheard of levels in 85% of ALL long covid sufferers.


This is a weapon. A weapon that underwent a metamorphosis through humanized tissue animal experimentation and then got into the wild.


I will state now that never, not in all our combined years of experience, ever encountered a pathogen that has been so perfectly designed to survive - this is a unique creation, and were it not a weapon, and were it for the common good? Would deserve a Nobel prize. That is how perfected this is.


Invade, colonize, maim, overburden, destroy. Win.
 Quoting: Uncle Doom. 77457008




Now - the question - WHO designed it? Well, that is Fauci and China's to answer. However - with the absolute carnage that this has caused - as well as the now perpetual reservoir through many animal species that has occoured globally, I do NOT for a second believe that ANY .Gov knew of just what this was capable of - In fact, the 'spike' vaccine is a terrible, terrible mistake . This shows that the world leaders were in panic. Or badly advised. Or complicit.


And that's some scary territory those thoughts wander into.


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Artemisia Annua...
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No prescription needed, as a plant.

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I will state now that never, not in all our combined years of experience, ever encountered a pathogen that has been so perfectly designed to survive - this is a unique creation, and were it not a weapon, and were it for the common good? Would deserve a Nobel prize. That is how perfected this is.
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But the expired dog medicine in my kitchen cabinet wipes it out overnight and even reverses all that damage?

Doesn't that seem like a pretty big flaw for a "perfected bioweapon"???

hmm
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Artemisia Annua...
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No prescription needed, as a plant.

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Plants lots. Plant often.
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I will state now that never, not in all our combined years of experience, ever encountered a pathogen that has been so perfectly designed to survive - this is a unique creation, and were it not a weapon, and were it for the common good? Would deserve a Nobel prize. That is how perfected this is.
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But the expired dog medicine in my kitchen cabinet wipes it out overnight and even reverses all that damage?

Doesn't that seem like a pretty big flaw for a "perfected bioweapon"???

hmm
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No! And that is the absolutely incredible thing about the entire Ivermectin saga - the developers and designers of sarscov2 did not think to look at a generic anti-parasitic for a SPECIES THEY DID NOT UTILIZE FOR HUMANIZED TISSUE TRIALS. THEY DID NOT UTIULIZE HUMANIZED EQUINE TISSUE. THIS IS VITAL AS THEY DID NOT THEN LOOK AT THE "OFF LABEL" USAGES ACROSS THE GLOBE.


^^^

Mull that over. Seriously.
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"The term “off-label” means that a medicine is used for an indication, age group, in a dose, or route other than those specified in the conditions of registration/marketing authorization of the medicine and as reflected in its official labeling. The off-label use of medicine is an important part of mainstream, legitimate medical practice worldwide and accounts for an estimated 21 % of drug use overall.

Medicine is generally used off-label because effective, approved drugs are scarce or are not available. It can vary between state-of-the-art treatment, standard practice, innovative use, and a “last resort.” Off-label prescription raises important questions about efficacy and safety; therefore, the benefits should be carefully balanced against the risks."


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Off label. It is a major factor as to why Mrs Doom does her do - off the label, out into the grey areas of medicine - and as she said "Who in China would have looked at some third world country and said 'Hey, deepest darkest Africa uses this as an anti viral!' Seriously? Have these people not seen how the Chinese communists treat black Africans?..."

and that is why they slipped up. Their single biggest mistake. And every single other animal / human, cheap, safe and effective anti viral was worked around.
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Near everything else was worked around.
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And this blindness also lead them to overlook bovine sources inoculated against Bov-Cov - Do the Chinese drink unpasteurized milk? Do many in the west?


No.


And there, right there, are the finger prints of a weapon designer focused on what they DO know. And NOT looking off label into species they are not targeting or testing upon.
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Everyone please stay safe, I am also going to get the vaccine soon as there is no option in Singapore.

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A new study has shown that those believing in Covid conspiracies have a greater chance of getting infected with the deadly virus.
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CC2: consideringh we just got a moderated thread, can you set up a secession plan, just in case ;)
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:-) Yes, it has been done, the registered email account and GLP login ID had been shared for safe keeping, cheers. :-)
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But the expired dog medicine in my kitchen cabinet wipes it out overnight and even reverses all that damage?

Doesn't that seem like a pretty big flaw for a "perfected bioweapon"???

hmm
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth



No! And that is the absolutely incredible thing about the entire Ivermectin saga - the developers and designers of sarscov2 did not think to look at a generic anti-parasitic for a SPECIES THEY DID NOT UTILIZE FOR HUMANIZED TISSUE TRIALS. THEY DID NOT UTIULIZE HUMANIZED EQUINE TISSUE. THIS IS VITAL AS THEY DID NOT THEN LOOK AT THE "OFF LABEL" USAGES ACROSS THE GLOBE.


^^^

Mull that over. Seriously.
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There are anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 human prescriptions written for Ivermectin every year, and that's just in the United States. It's a pretty common drug.

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Thanks to you for starting a new thread that will keep the agitators, etc in check. I too hope that CC2 is okay and will return when he is able to. He is missed. Good luck to you TempCC2 for your outcome after receiving the vaccines. It is tough to be forced to do something against what one is comfortable with, all I can say is be well and stay strong.

This has been percolating along, and thought it worth sharing:

[link to thevaccinereaction.org (secure)]

Nordic Nations Suspend Use of Moderna COVID Shot Over Heart Inflammation Concerns
by TVR Staff Published October 24, 2021

Following reports of an increased risk of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart) in young adults after receiving Moderna/NIAID’s experimental messenger RNA (mRNA) COVID-19 biologic known as “Spikevax,” the governments of Denmark, Norway and Sweden have suspended the shot or will not make it available for people under 30 years of age (in Norway and Sweden) and under 18 years of age (in Denmark). The restrictions were announced on Oct. 6, 2021.

The government of Finland followed suit on Oct. 7 with its own suspension of the Spikevax for males under 30 years of age.1 3 4 5 Additionally, on Oct. 8, the government of Iceland entirely halted use of the Spikevax for everyone in that country. ...
 Quoting: Dosha


Thanks Dosha, in Singapore non-vaccinated will not be allowed to go into any office buildings starting 1 Jan 2022, so it only means no vaccination no job, this is very bad move from the government but it is also time to get vaccinated.

Majority here had already gotten it, only several with bad effects, all people I directly knew so far no problem at all.

The problem of the vaccination should be just the injection hitting blood vessels, causing all kinds of problem.

Good luck to me, cheers. :-)

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Still not a threat to the rest of the world yet.

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Rise in human bird flu cases in China shows risk of fast-changing variants: Health experts
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"The term “off-label” means that a medicine is used for an indication, age group, in a dose, or route other than those specified in the conditions of registration/marketing authorization of the medicine and as reflected in its official labeling. The off-label use of medicine is an important part of mainstream, legitimate medical practice worldwide and accounts for an estimated 21 % of drug use overall.

Medicine is generally used off-label because effective, approved drugs are scarce or are not available. It can vary between state-of-the-art treatment, standard practice, innovative use, and a “last resort.” Off-label prescription raises important questions about efficacy and safety; therefore, the benefits should be carefully balanced against the risks."


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Off label. It is a major factor as to why Mrs Doom does her do - off the label, out into the grey areas of medicine - and as she said "Who in China would have looked at some third world country and said 'Hey, deepest darkest Africa uses this as an anti viral!' Seriously? Have these people not seen how the Chinese communists treat black Africans?..."

and that is why they slipped up. Their single biggest mistake. And every single other animal / human, cheap, safe and effective anti viral was worked around.
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Near everything else was worked around.
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But the virus could defeat this eventually as well. The link I provided talks about the malaria parasites being able to evade it in Africa due to dilution/misuse.
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Still not a threat to the rest of the world yet.

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Rise in human bird flu cases in China shows risk of fast-changing variants: Health experts
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Once the Olympics get underway….

Fucking shit show
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Burn on….

Wait until February. They’ll need a 6th. If we get there…

Let’s add that not a single public official has come out to publicly explain that allergy sufferers are technically immune compromised. (Faceplant).

Immunocompromised may need a fourth COVID-19 shot, CDC says

Less than 50%


The CDC authorized a third dose or certain immunocompromised people 18 and older in August. It said a third dose, rather than a booster — the CDC makes a distinction between the two — was necessary because the immunocompromised may not have had a complete immune response from the first two doses.

A study from Johns Hopkins University this summer showed that vaccinated immunocompromised people were 485 times more likely to end up in the hospital or die from COVID-19 compared to most vaccinated people. In small studies, the CDC said, fully vaccinated immunocompromised people accounted for about 44% of the breakthrough cases that required hospitalization. People who are immunocompromised are also more likely to transmit the virus to people who had close contact with them.



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Except China, I think the world doesn't care about lock down anymore unless their hospitals got over run.

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China locks down city of 4 million over Covid cases
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Fresh from oven ....

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Membrane fusion and immune evasion by the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant
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the day CHINA locked down WUHAN is the doomiest day in GLP history. ranking higher than 12/21/2112 which totally flopped. nothing else has come close to that day. any other incident would have been localized including KATRINA.

that day still haunts the entire world. it will take 5yrs to add up the damages and that is IF it actually went away.





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