Jesus walked with Adam in the Garden of Eden before the fall

If by avatar you mean the same being, John calls you "antichrist".

By avatar, I mean Jesus is God's physical body.

Where does John call me antichrist?

1st John 2:22.

Claiming Jesus is not the literal Son of God, that He and His Father are simply role playing (aka lying) about their relationship, John calls antichrist.

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Oh, no. I don't mean that. He is the literal Son of God, but he's God's representation of Himself on Earth:, an Avatar using our modern vernacular.

But my claim is that it was Jesus, Himself who walked with Adam at the cool of the day in Eden.

Do you disagree with that?

Scripture heavily implies it was Christ. (no man has seen the Father etc) so yeah. Agree 100% it was Gods son in the garden. He was the one who created them after all.

It answered a question I always had issues with: Who was God talking to when He created everything...

When I asked this question when I was 11-12, people at my church said it was the Angels. That answer never maid sense to me. Others said it was due to the King James translation of the Bible, that Kings referred to themselves as "us" in the singular. I always thought that was a copout answer.

The only one that makes sense is God was speaking to His only begotten Son, who was there from the foundation of the world, Jesus Christ, the first man who created Adam.

Yeah exactly. Scripture confirms it. Jesus speaking...

Proverbs 8:24 - When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”

Proverbs 8:25 - Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

Proverbs 8:27 - When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:


"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" = the Father was speaking to His Son.

I'm glad you've finally come to realize Jesus is God. There's only 1 God and has always been 1 God.

BTW, God is an Holy Spirit, invisible, and begot (brought into existence) his Son and own body into existence (without speaking). It was then through THAT body that He spake his words. So it was not the Father, as some perceive the Father being separate, that said "Let us..", it was Jesus speaking to the Father Spirit within himself. Because in the new creation, as now, ideally, you will say to Jesus the Holy Spirit with you, "Let us..", showing that Jesus is our Heavenly Father and example unto us his children from the very beginning.

I suppose since Jehovah's Witnesses are good at corrupting and twisting scripture they are good at twisting words duh. Who is claiming Jesus isn't the literal Son of God? Who is claiming they are lying about their roles? It's crazy. Why the hell did you have to make things difficult with your twisting of words?

Jesus Christ is the Father and Son, 2 titles, same God. That's why the scripture doesn't differentiate between them in places in the Bible, even that same verse you mentioned. But it is interesting that you differentiate between them in that verse:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

I can certainly say that your understanding is not perfect in the matter, not that that helps you, but you also accept Jesus as the only God, so it's a bit confusing.

John calls you antichrist.

Jesus himself named who the only true God is.

John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

The Father and Son are not the same being. The Son came out from the Father. The only being ever born/begotten directly from the Father.

To deny this is antichrist.

Your reasoning is faulty in the belief that God manifested as a physical presence in a physical garden.

I love you boaty.

I agree with you.

Scripture says Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Our Creator.

Just make something else up. GLP loves that stuff.

I respectfully disagree...

The Pre Flood Lord and Post Flood Lord, are two different lords, but are Father and Son.

Take note...
The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth,
and his heart was deeply troubled.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth;
both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air;
for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 6:6-7


Now compare with...

Ye have heard that it hath been said,
An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

Matthew 5:38-39

Pre Flood Lord was an aggressor yet post flood Lord is a pacifist...

Clearly too different entities..
Especially when considering this passage...

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 13:8

Had the Lord of the Garden been Jesus Christ... there would of been no flood. Hence... there was always 2 , Father and Son.

And the final nail in this coffin is..


Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots....Luke 23:34

Even Jesus acknowledges the power and wrath of his Father, whom is the pre flood Lord to which gave Jesus the authority to do what Jesus did...

Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
John 5:19



To go one step further now... we know the Father has two hands...

I have made the earth,
and created man upon it:
I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens,
and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 45:13

So if Jesus sits on the right hand of the Father...
Who sits on the left?

The answer is the man child warrior... not Yeshua..

His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
Revelation 19:12

Since we already know Christ's name, this person mentioned in Revelation is not Christ, but is most certainly the one who sits on the left hand of the Father and is a Lion, not a Lamb.

are you sure?
could IT be Madam...before the pig FALL!!!

just my 2 apples...

On paper God is more woman than man, for women have a natural ability to create another human being, where as the man/male cannot.

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Don't speak for John. You're the only one calling calling anyone here antiChrist.

You are not retaining and reasoning scripture together. Jesus is the equal manifestation of God in bodily form.

St. John 5:18 Therefore the Hebrews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Plus many more scriptures that I don't feel like posting, that you are completely ignoring to support your misunderstanding. And YET, you accept Jesus as the one and only true and living God(?)! So how that works I don't know but you're not the first person I've met who believes the right thing but had 2 conflicting beliefs about it.

First it's not his reasoning, it's called revelation, it's from God himself. Second it's not faulty.

Jesus (by inheritance of His birth to the only true God) has Gods power, wisdom, nature, love and everything else the Father sought good to bestow onto His Son.

What Jesus does not have, is authority over His Father. One of them is subservient to the other. The Son serves the Father.

The Son is not the Father. The Father is not the Son. They are not role playing those terms. Jesus is the literal begotten/born Son from God. The only one.

To deny the Father and the Son are separate beings is antichrist.
To deny Jesus is the actual (literal, not a roleplay) Son of God is antichrist.
To deny the Father is the actual (literal, not a roleplay) Father of Jesus is antichrist.

"He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

Just because you don't understand that there is 1 God and Jesus is the body of God doesn't mean there are 2 Gods and that Jesus is a God different than the Old Testament God. They are the SAME GOD. Scripture says so!

Here is Isaiah's vision of God: oh wait, before I post it, how can Isaiah see an invisible God?:

Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king U-ziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

Here is John, Jesus' disciple, saying that Isaiah saw Jesus:

St. John 12:37-38, 41
But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
...
These things said Isaiah, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Jesus can't lie therefore all his promises ("shall") cannot be changed. He can and does change his mind. He changed his own mind not to destroy the world by water. Moses helped change his mind about destroying all Israel in the wilderness. Jesus contemplated not telling Abraham that he was about to destroy the cities of the dead sea. Jesus changed his mind about not listening to a Samaritttan woman whose daughter had a demon. He changed his mind about not talking to Pontious and the high priests compelled him to talk. Jesus said there are many things that he WANTS to tell his disciples but they are unable to bear the weight of those truths right now.

Jesus and God the Father are 1 God, the same person. Just because people don't understand ancient terminology doesn't mean Jesus isn't sitting on the throne of God. Consider this scripture:

St. Matthew 20:21-23
And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Here's simple deductive reasoning:

Jesus is the King of Kings which God is. It is God's Kingdom, but it is Jesus' Kingdom because he is the eternal King. Jesus himself does not rebuke any "misunderstanding" that he is God saying, 'But no one can sit on my left side because that's where my Father is sitting.'

As for your misunderstanding of what I guess you're referring to as "the Nobody", it's misunderstanding. Jesus is it all. There is no one on his level, or ever will be. He alone is supreme. He is the most high God, and none else are worthy or ever could be. He is the Creator. He has a name which no one knows. Why does that matter, or, what is the implication? I don't know yet.

Jesus did no such thing. And adam and eve were here 38000 years ago on an already populated planet... not the 6000 so many try to prove... and They were not the first humans on this world.. as I said it was fully populated and even in your bible you can see people on this world during that time...

Jesus is NOT God's physical avatar.

Sperm, seed, generates in the male. On paper and in truth, God is Jesus, a man.

Jesus was a man,

Christ is an energy Jesus attained,

by purifying your mind and body you can reach that Christ energy,

and death will have no power over you...

Who is taking about role playing but Jehovah's Witnesses?

The Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. It hasn't been revealed to you by Jesus, who alone said that HE reveals WHO the Father is. If you "know" who the Father is without being revealed it by Jesus then by proxy YOU DON'T KNOW THE FATHER! It's that simple.

How about this. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only God?

Because the body of God is subject to the will of God, hence the Son is subject to he Father who is an invisible Holy Spirit FULLY indwelling in Jesus - as the scriptures state.

no matter how good or bad life on earth may seem,

remember....it is just a dream,

not real...

everything that is temporary is a fantasy...

the real world has no time, shape or form...

it is like the empty sky....

that is the true nature of the mind,

empty...

the moment you begin to fill it with anything...

you pollute it and make it temporal....

the art of meditation is to empty the mind of all thoughts,

little by little...a person becomes masterful at this operation,

and begins his long journey back to nirvana...

if you are not moving forward you are moving backward,

nothing stands still....

John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Better question is why do you despise a thus saith the Lord on the matter. Could Jesus have said it any clearer then He did?

Jesus when addressing His Father in that verse(prayer) point blank calls Him "the only true God".

The only one. Jesus claiming it.

Jesus is Gods Son. To claim Jesus is the only true God is to deny the Father and the Son. I'll pass.

*btw, am not a jehovas witness, so you can drop that whole shtick.

what a beautiful way to put it.

But you choose to ignore the rest of scripture without reasoning it together to make sense of it. Do you understand that at all? Do you understand how to put a puzzle together by its pieces? Jesus claimed to be the Father God, the one true and only God. Figure it out.

There are so many hundred more examples then simply John 17:3. If even the most blunt thus saith the Lord doesnt give you pause, no other verses will.

You teach a schizophrenic Jesus who prayed to himself.