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Starting a new topic on surrender.. based on the recent Seraphin Rosie post here [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

There is another addition to that which I have to post yet today... I am separating this TOPIC from my Seraphin Rosie thread because it deserves its own discussion but will continue to post all New Rosie stuff in the other thread also...

This is to me personally the most important piece Seraphin has ever done with Rosie... It is the result of a request made to Rosie after a lovely statement posted by one I care for and love deeply and I thought Seraphin would do something outstanding with the whole of what word means and this is splendid to read below.. it exceeded my expectations in fact.

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Seraphin Message 463:
THE IMPORTANCE OF SURRENDER

Through Rosie, 30th September 2021

It is time to pay very careful attention, beloved Inhabitants of Earth. We have often said that your world will turn “upside down”, and thus it goes without saying that the various concepts you cherish, as well as various usages of diverse terms which you favour, will be shattered or shown to mean something completely different from what you actually thought. One such term is the word SURRENDER.

What is surrender? Surrender is not defeat, but chosen alignment with the Divine. For many on earth, to surrender means to be weak, to give in, to stop fighting, to surrender to the enemy. It is, in your minds, a shameful and sinful necessity, during which one sacrifices one’s ideals, loyalties and convictions. This is the connotation you carry after centuries of warring and forcing each other to your knees, and much worse. In the past, those who were forced to surrender were subjected to every kind of violence, rape and death. It was a progression, on your earth plane, when prisoners were not shot or eaten, but taken away as slaves. That this was actually a progression in your behaviour shows you how long and tedious your progress has been over the ages, and indeed, it is not over yet, as wars still spawn across earth’s soil at an alarming rate today.

Thus, you are convinced that surrendering is a BAD THING during which you are stripped of all dignity, honour and freedom. YET IT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. We are not talking here about taking part in warfare and having to put down arms. We are talking about RECOGNISING ULTIMATE WISDOM AND ALIGNING ONESELF WITH THAT WISDOM IN ORDER TO BETTER SERVE HUMANITY. And as part of humanity yourselves, you will of course also benefit.

Does this sound like SACRIFICE? Like giving something up? Like no longer being able to do what you want? In a way, this is true, yet the baubles and petty entertainments you cling to are vastly inferior to the joys you will experience when you embrace surrender to divine wisdom and cosmic law. Your previous pastimes will appear to you like lusterless baubles on a tree in comparison with the rich and deep encounters which are a result of such alignment. You will, in effect, live in continuous joy, instead of navigating the “ups and downs” of a directionless existence.

We would like to expand more on the word “direction”. If you know 100 percent that the direction you are following will have a pleasant and successful outcome, why would you not follow it or “succumb” or “surrender” to it? Following cosmic law is following a DIVINE DIRECTION. It cannot fail. There are no disappointments (What you give, you receive, as being one example of unfailing cosmic law). Similarly, there are no loopholes or exceptions, and it is not possible to simply take a deviation or wander off the path, for this will put your future experiences in jeopardy. Quite simply, you have the choice whether to move in a worthy direction, or whether to wander haphazardly, drifting with a feeling of hopelessness.

Have you ever experienced true surrender, Beloveds? There are some states of being which may give you an idea of what true surrender feels like. The first is floating in water. The water represents nature loving you, moving without hesitation into every crevice, filling every space between your toes and fingers, seeping into every pore. It does not ask questions. It does not make demands. It does not sign a contract with you. It just flows, and it carries you on buoyant waves. It is possible to float in a completely relaxed position, releasing all, feeling weightless. You are not on the lookout for drops of water which might hurt you, exploit you, demand your attention or cause you stress. You are simply accepting nature’s love.

The second state of being is the moments before you fall asleep. You (hopefully) have had enough to eat, your physical needs have been taken care of, you lie in a warm bed, you (hopefully) feel calm and full of gratitude, you stop talking and you SURRENDER YOURSELF TO SLEEP. This you do on a daily basis, Beloveds, yet this state of being is also required of you during the day. We will name some examples.

SURRENDER IS REQUIRED IF YOU ARE GOING TO LEARN, and we can say that there is so much that you will have to learn on this planet, because you are very backward in your level of spiritualty. It is absolutely NECESSARY that you recognize your IGNORANCE and that you SUCCUMB TO THE WISDOM OF THE ELDERS AND TEACHERS WHO WILL APPEAR BEFORE YOU. This requires you to dismiss the ego. This requires you also to dismiss all feelings of shame at past mistakes. This requires you to get over the feeling of “losing face”. Especially – but not only – in the eastern hemispheres of your world, this is a major problem. To pretend to know, when one does not, is a major flaw. To be full of bravado, when one is not, is another major flaw. To admit that one has much to learn is a major virtue. To be eager to know the truth will spur you on to discover those principles and qualities which – if adhered to by all – will transform your global society.

SURRENDER IS REQUIRED IF YOU ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER. There can be no more statements of “I am better than you”. There can be no more battles to climb ladders independently, elbowing others out of the way. It will be your mandate to pool intelligence and ideas to produce the very best result. This will often mean holding your tongue and letting another speak. This will mean developing patience. This will mean listening to experts as they offer advice. This also means that whatever the project, or whatever the organization, it must SURRENDER TO A DIVINE CAUSE. It cannot simply exist for the fun of it, for making the most money possible, or for exploiting earth’s resources in order to produce cheap and unnecessary goods. It must have a mission, and all persons involved in this mission must have the mission at heart as opposed to self-interest. Self-interest is secondary.

SURRENDER is required FOR PERFECT BALANCE AND CONTINUOUS JOY. Conjure up, if you will, the image of two children on a seesaw. If they are both going to enjoy the ride, then there must be regular and rhythmic give and take, a regular exchange of energy, a regular pulsing of opposites, a continuous alternation between giving a boost and surrendering to the boost that the other person provides.

SURRENDER IS REQUIRED FOR LASTING PEACE BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS and NATIONS. To continuously rehash old complaints, debts or “chips on one’s shoulder” (and you are always at least 50% responsible anyway), is to constantly bring the pot to the boil and to make one’s counterpart constantly rise in defence. The solution to this is working on oneself, realizing how one’s own negative behavior contributed to these issues. This involves FORGIVING ONESELF AND OTHERS. This means SURRENDERING ONE’S SUPPOSED RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. It involves CHOOSING TO SURRENDER IN FAVOUR OF THE GREATER HARMONY OF THE WHOLE, RATHER THAN CHOOSING TO PROMULGATE CONFLICT. Again, this does not mean ignoring or glossing over unpleasant realities. It means releasing old behavioral patterns which ultimately do not serve you personally, or your society, or your nation.

SURRENDER IS REQUIRED TO NURTURE THE HEALTH OF YOUR HOSTESS, THE EARTH. Without this, you will not survive. You will have to surrender your squandering lifestyles, your “I couldn’t care less” attitudes, and your inattention to environmental matters and sustainability.

SURRENDER IS REQUIRED IN ALL RELATIONSHIPS AND ALL COUPLINGS. Regarding men and women, they are unique, and uniquely different. They cannot vy. Neither can either “win”. No man or woman can EVER be better than their partner, or put themselves above their partner, if they intend the relationship to be a success. Their decisions will always be for the good of themselves as a couple, as opposed to themselves as an individual. And as a couple, they will also have a mission which they will personally define, and which will not be restricted to selfish aims. This does not mean sacrificing certain interests or skills. It means using those skills to achieve something wonderful together which will benefit others, and which will manifest a way of relating to each other which others can emulate. You will be role models for each other, in whatever combination, in whatever working relationship. If this degree of surrender of a purely personal direction is accomplished, there will be a massive synergy effect which cannot be achieved by one person alone, and which is way beyond imagination.

The classic example of this is the conductor and an orchestra. All the musicians are professional, capable of playing as soloists, and every instrument is different, with various timbres and tones, YET THEY ALL FOLLOW THE SAME SCRIPT, THEY ALL LISTEN TO EACH OTHER INTENTLY, AND THEY ALL SURRENDER IN ORDER TO PRODUCE A HARMONIOUS WHOLE. A musician or a singer in a choir must always hold back, perform when it is their turn, and attune themselves to their fellow musicians. If someone “turns rogue” and fails to do this, the whole piece of music is ruined. With this we wish to emphasise the unique playing potential of every individual in creating a new and harmonious society on earth. If you have not already done so, you will realise that this sort of new direction is sorely needed.

Rather than being a burden, SURRENDERING IS LIBERATING. It is not just one person – you – who are asked to surrender, but EVERYONE. This means that the playing field is levelled. There may still be leaders and organisers and conductors, but there is mutual respect. This means the end of harassment, bullying, exploitation and arrogance. To surrender is to further spiritual principles, to support the spiritual life (which we have mentioned in an earlier message), and to gloriously co-create a future pervaded by a feeling of equality and love.

And here we come to the crux of the matter. SURRENDERING IS DEMONSTRATING LOVE – love for something greater than yourselves. It is giving up the old and striving for a better path. It is knowing that every step taken carefully will contribute to a wonderful solution. Surrendering one’s own crusted, irrelevant and twisted viewpoint, and viewing everything from a neutral position, will open up vistas of potential.

For many, this will not be easy. You will have to surrender your erroneous views, your erroneous religious convictions, your debilitating ideas about life and death, your corrupted senses of identity and your inaccurate history. All will fall. What will you do then, Beloveds? Will you wail and flail around with your hands, lamenting that the nightmare has come to an end? Will you be able to let it go? Will you even be able to recognize that it was a nightmare, and that momentous changes need to be made?

When all this has fallen, you may feel desolate. You may feel empty, but it is in this very moment of emptiness and surrender which enables you to be filled by love, and this is the essential element which should guide your steps in the future. You will SURRENDER TO THE WORDS OF YOUR HEART. You will learn to align yourselves with the heart. You will succumb to her advice. You will let her take the lead. And thus you will jointly flood your world with loving kindness. All actions which do not fit into this category will no longer be tolerated.

We hope that we have given you some insight into the importance of surrender. Without it, you will remain dishonest, instable, backward individuals and nations who run the risk of repeating the dreadful experience you are now having. This will no longer be permitted by the celestial hierarchy which observes you and which will, when the time comes, openly guide you.

Our work here is also characterized by surrender. It is our personal will to uplift and enlighten you wayward ones on planet earth, and while there are cosier and pleasanter jobs to be had, we choose to enter into this scenario because love prompts us to do so. Seraphin.:love is answer::2 or more in my :
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the proper concept of surrender is not that which is used today.. to mean one entity or person or government wins at the expense of the other which is forced to "surrender" in the traditional use of the word ...

study the examples in the post above that starts this thread and ponder them.. and then if you wish post your thoughts in this thread.. Its a topic facing our REAL world we are building and essential to comprehend. I have long as I prepare my own future mission how I will handle large issues on this world.. and they all come under surrender in its real meaning.. every one I have considered. hf

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[link to abundanthope.net]

Seraphin Message 464:
THE IMPORTANCE OF SURRENDER TO DIVINE TIMING

Through Rosie, 2nd October 2021

As an addendum to the previous message on surrender, we would like to further address an important aspect which has not yet been covered enough, and this is the concept of DIVINE TIMING. It is actually not a concept at all.




IT IS REALITY.

YOUR LIVES ARE DIVINELY GUIDED.

THE QUESTION IS: DO YOU REALISE THIS?

DO YOU SURRENDER TO THIS DIVINE GUIDANCE?




Do you find time to sit in quiet mediation, clear your mind and ask the divine core within yourself for advice? And if something unpleasant or disappointing occurs, blocking your most favoured path, shattering your dreams and leaving you reeling in shock, can you accept that such obstacles are also the actions of DIVINE HAND in an attempt to stop you moving towards disaster, or to encourage you to move in a direction more worthy?




Are barriers actually a sign of assistance? Can you SURRENDER to the fact that this is not the right time, or perhaps the right place, to do what you had planned? This all ties in with the fact that you all have a specific task to fulfil on earth – a task which was discussed and decided upon previous to your incarnation here. You are always being assisted by unseen guides (which are REPRESENTATIVES OF THE DIVINE, working for the DIVINE) in order to fulfil that mandate. They are the ones who place the obstacles, the ideas and the opportunities.




This turns life into an adventure. The smallest or the largest occurrence could be a sign pointing you in the DIVINE DIRECTION. It is up to you to SUCCUMB AND SURRENDER to this Divine guidance in order to live a truly fulfilling and beneficial life. If things do not turn out as you wish, or if something does not happen on your own timing, then you can be sure that the DIVINE has other plans for you, and that there are still other issues to be looked at, or problems to be solved, or knots which need untying, or issues which require closure, before that particular avenue is open to you.




This is valid on a personal level and also a global level. Many of you who are “in the know” about the DIVINE DESTINY of this planet have been impatient with the “wrapping up” of the old, corrupt age, and are eager to move on to the new. And we say: ALL IN GOOD TIMING, which actually means ALL IN DIVINE TIMING. We encourage you to think more along these lines, and to make good use of the time which is left to you, because it affords you an unparalleled opportunity to learn. We again take our leave, Seraphin

:Divine timing:



All 5 volumes of THE COMPLETE SERAPHIN MESSAGES are now available. They will help all readers to navigate these difficult times, easing their passage when old structures / world views / beliefs fall, and when new priorities ensue.
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This is a really thought-provoking text. Thank you for posting. It started me thinking about which times of my life involved the most surrender, and I conclude that it was when I was a mother of small children. One of them never slept through the night for 18 months, due to earache / coughing / middle ear infections. Often, I would have to take her to the hospital at night at a moment's notice. If I heard her crying, I was up on my feet immediately. It was a period of intense tiredness. All mothers experience this to some degree - the unquestionable devotion to a small helpless being. In some ways, we are responsible for life and death. This was often my thought as a mother. And later on, when the children grow up, there is no "slacking off" possible if we want them to grow into responsible, stable, independant adults. Our constant attention is required. This is not to say that parents should not look out for our own health and happiness, just that rearing children is one of the most important tasks on this planet.
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SURRENDER IS ISLAM

ISLAM IS SURRENDER

TO SURRENDER IS TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH


Please Be Enlightened
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We shall not flag nor fail.
We shall go on to the end.
We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans;
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air.
We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be;
we shall fight on beaches,
landing grounds,
in fields,
in streets and on the hills.
We shall never surrender...
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So predictably Laodicean.

The pseudo-Christians that have no concept of the subject as relates to establishing Relationship With God, advising others...


There is no "topic" of Surrender. Certainly, surrender is not witnessed or preached in church. Talked about, maybe... Yet, to witness means to relate facts KNOWN. As St. Paul counsels Timothy in 2nd Tim 2:6: those that would preach-teach-minister "Ought First BE Partakers Of The Fruits".

So few of those 'serving' in the above capacities in this age of Laodicea even grasp that the Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again Life is possible; much less, have Come Unto The Father themselves and thereby Enabled to witness what they did and what God Has Given Them To KNOW...


Surrender Unto The Father is what Christ Jesus Was Sent To Enable. God cannot look upon sin. Until mankind was Redeemed from the sin in the garden, God could not look upon anyone.


The 2nd paragraph of seraphin message 463 states attempts to define `surrender'. Yet, the author is In Error.

There is NO Coming Unto The Father (surrendering) by effort of carnal self. There is no establishing "chosen alignment with the Divine".

What is necessary to evoke "surrender" is brokenness. Realization that only life lived In Accord With God can be "right".

I have written for years that Only sinners and Purehearts ever make their surrender... The sinner because he/she perceives or has no one else to turn to except God. The Pureheart because after all their self-efforts to establish Rellationship with the Father have failed, they finally in exasperation reach the point where they Give HIM All They Are and All They Ever Will Be, To Do With As HE Sees Fit...

Coming Unto The Father is the Leap Of Faith. Loving God, Trusting HIM Competely and Fully; THEN, Taking Action and Seeking HIM in earnest & sincere prayer and Telling HIM ALL; Giving HIM Your ALL.


There is no intellectually coming to decision. Matt 13:11-15 establishes that Christ Jesus Witnesses to those who can Hear & See The Gospel In Their Heart, rather than intellectually analyze. HE Plainly Says in verse 15 that those seeking with their head have hearts that are "waxed gross", meaning blocked. HE Says HE uses parables so they won't understand: "Lest they understand, be converted, and I should (have) to heal them."...

Jesus' Witness in Matt 22:1-14 begins "A Certain King Made A Wedding Feast For HIS Son"... This parable is Jesus' Witness of Father's Plan for Christianity. This sentence is also the last mention of The King's Son. In verse 14, Jesus ends the parable with "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

All those Called (in the parable and real life) were Chosen BY The Father. Matt 16:13-20 makes plain that KNOWING WHO Jesus IS, is KNOWLEDGE that ONLY The Father Puts On Your Heart... Knowledge of WHO HE IS is "the rock" or foundation upon which HE Builds HIS Church!

Many were Called, but few CHOOSE=ELECT to Trust God Fully and Give HIM Their Lives...

Not many will ever have the sinner's or pureheart's brokenness. I did. It was the Greatest Blessing of my life, to be so thoroughly broken and afraid to continue living a life without God...

Surrender is Proving You Love God and Put HIM First in your life.

Surrender is "the works" St. James refers to in "Faith Without Works Is Dead!"


In less time than to read this first post, I made my surrender and gave my life unreservedly and completely Unto The Father. When I was done, having opened my heart fully and Given HIM my all, I KNEW I had stood In Father's Presence and was a New man.


Surrender is what Delivers you into Father's Presence and Enables Father To Give You A NEW Heart Of HIS Flesh, "Put MY Spirit Within You" and Enable you to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes and DO MY Judgments". This is Ezekiel 36:26-27; The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life.


We have to die unto self to be alive with HIM Forever. We have to surrender self to be Partakers In HIS Holiness and Victory.


All a matter of heart.

If you Love HIM Fully and Would BE HIS; Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!
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SURRENDER IS ISLAM

ISLAM IS SURRENDER

TO SURRENDER IS TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH


Please Be Enlightened
 Quoting: Akali


yes ..... and it means all of the above in the Rosie piece. very few on this planet surrender to the indwelling father which is WHAT ALLAH IS.
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SURRENDER IS ISLAM

ISLAM IS SURRENDER

TO SURRENDER IS TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH


Please Be Enlightened
 Quoting: Akali


yes ..... and it means all of the above in the Rosie piece. very few on this planet surrender to the indwelling father which is WHAT ALLAH IS.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


all, tell me one time in human history when someone has surrendered and ended up back on top?

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So predictably Laodicean.

The pseudo-Christians that have no concept of the subject as relates to establishing Relationship With God, advising others...


There is no "topic" of Surrender. Certainly, surrender is not witnessed or preached in church. Talked about, maybe... Yet, to witness means to relate facts KNOWN. As St. Paul counsels Timothy in 2nd Tim 2:6: those that would preach-teach-minister "Ought First BE Partakers Of The Fruits".

So few of those 'serving' in the above capacities in this age of Laodicea even grasp that the Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again Life is possible; much less, have Come Unto The Father themselves and thereby Enabled to witness what they did and what God Has Given Them To KNOW...


Surrender Unto The Father is what Christ Jesus Was Sent To Enable. God cannot look upon sin. Until mankind was Redeemed from the sin in the garden, God could not look upon anyone.


The 2nd paragraph of seraphin message 463 states attempts to define `surrender'. Yet, the author is In Error.

There is NO Coming Unto The Father (surrendering) by effort of carnal self. There is no establishing "chosen alignment with the Divine".

What is necessary to evoke "surrender" is brokenness. Realization that only life lived In Accord With God can be "right".

I have written for years that Only sinners and Purehearts ever make their surrender... The sinner because he/she perceives or has no one else to turn to except God. The Pureheart because after all their self-efforts to establish Rellationship with the Father have failed, they finally in exasperation reach the point where they Give HIM All They Are and All They Ever Will Be, To Do With As HE Sees Fit...

Coming Unto The Father is the Leap Of Faith. Loving God, Trusting HIM Competely and Fully; THEN, Taking Action and Seeking HIM in earnest & sincere prayer and Telling HIM ALL; Giving HIM Your ALL.


There is no intellectually coming to decision. Matt 13:11-15 establishes that Christ Jesus Witnesses to those who can Hear & See The Gospel In Their Heart, rather than intellectually analyze. HE Plainly Says in verse 15 that those seeking with their head have hearts that are "waxed gross", meaning blocked. HE Says HE uses parables so they won't understand: "Lest they understand, be converted, and I should (have) to heal them."...

Jesus' Witness in Matt 22:1-14 begins "A Certain King Made A Wedding Feast For HIS Son"... This parable is Jesus' Witness of Father's Plan for Christianity. This sentence is also the last mention of The King's Son. In verse 14, Jesus ends the parable with "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

All those Called (in the parable and real life) were Chosen BY The Father. Matt 16:13-20 makes plain that KNOWING WHO Jesus IS, is KNOWLEDGE that ONLY The Father Puts On Your Heart... Knowledge of WHO HE IS is "the rock" or foundation upon which HE Builds HIS Church!

Many were Called, but few CHOOSE=ELECT to Trust God Fully and Give HIM Their Lives...

Not many will ever have the sinner's or pureheart's brokenness. I did. It was the Greatest Blessing of my life, to be so thoroughly broken and afraid to continue living a life without God...

Surrender is Proving You Love God and Put HIM First in your life.

Surrender is "the works" St. James refers to in "Faith Without Works Is Dead!"


In less time than to read this first post, I made my surrender and gave my life unreservedly and completely Unto The Father. When I was done, having opened my heart fully and Given HIM my all, I KNEW I had stood In Father's Presence and was a New man.


Surrender is what Delivers you into Father's Presence and Enables Father To Give You A NEW Heart Of HIS Flesh, "Put MY Spirit Within You" and Enable you to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes and DO MY Judgments". This is Ezekiel 36:26-27; The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life.


We have to die unto self to be alive with HIM Forever. We have to surrender self to be Partakers In HIS Holiness and Victory.


All a matter of heart.

If you Love HIM Fully and Would BE HIS; Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!
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a great deal of BS in your long post...hf mostly poorly based on mind controlled religions.
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SURRENDER IS ISLAM

ISLAM IS SURRENDER

TO SURRENDER IS TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH


Please Be Enlightened
 Quoting: Akali


yes ..... and it means all of the above in the Rosie piece. very few on this planet surrender to the indwelling father which is WHAT ALLAH IS.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Unfortunately in Islam, Allah is NOT the in dwelling Father. Allah in Islam misappropriated the name of the indwelling Father and is instrumental in enslaving the souls of billions.
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SURRENDER IS ISLAM

ISLAM IS SURRENDER

TO SURRENDER IS TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH


Please Be Enlightened
 Quoting: Akali


yes ..... and it means all of the above in the Rosie piece. very few on this planet surrender to the indwelling father which is WHAT ALLAH IS.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Unfortunately in Islam, Allah is NOT the in dwelling Father. Allah in Islam misappropriated the name of the indwelling Father and is instrumental in enslaving the souls of billions.
 Quoting: Akali


fortunately in Islam it is the Indwelling Father... but billions of souls have been fucked up in the teaching.

As has Christianity if the "holy spirit" thing... that denies them of knowing the Indwelling Father also.
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So predictably Laodicean.

The pseudo-Christians that have no concept of the subject as relates to establishing Relationship With God, advising others...


There is no "topic" of Surrender. Certainly, surrender is not witnessed or preached in church. Talked about, maybe... Yet, to witness means to relate facts KNOWN. As St. Paul counsels Timothy in 2nd Tim 2:6: those that would preach-teach-minister "Ought First BE Partakers Of The Fruits".

So few of those 'serving' in the above capacities in this age of Laodicea even grasp that the Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again Life is possible; much less, have Come Unto The Father themselves and thereby Enabled to witness what they did and what God Has Given Them To KNOW...


Surrender Unto The Father is what Christ Jesus Was Sent To Enable. God cannot look upon sin. Until mankind was Redeemed from the sin in the garden, God could not look upon anyone.


The 2nd paragraph of seraphin message 463 states attempts to define `surrender'. Yet, the author is In Error.

There is NO Coming Unto The Father (surrendering) by effort of carnal self. There is no establishing "chosen alignment with the Divine".

What is necessary to evoke "surrender" is brokenness. Realization that only life lived In Accord With God can be "right".

I have written for years that Only sinners and Purehearts ever make their surrender... The sinner because he/she perceives or has no one else to turn to except God. The Pureheart because after all their self-efforts to establish Rellationship with the Father have failed, they finally in exasperation reach the point where they Give HIM All They Are and All They Ever Will Be, To Do With As HE Sees Fit...

Coming Unto The Father is the Leap Of Faith. Loving God, Trusting HIM Competely and Fully; THEN, Taking Action and Seeking HIM in earnest & sincere prayer and Telling HIM ALL; Giving HIM Your ALL.


There is no intellectually coming to decision. Matt 13:11-15 establishes that Christ Jesus Witnesses to those who can Hear & See The Gospel In Their Heart, rather than intellectually analyze. HE Plainly Says in verse 15 that those seeking with their head have hearts that are "waxed gross", meaning blocked. HE Says HE uses parables so they won't understand: "Lest they understand, be converted, and I should (have) to heal them."...

Jesus' Witness in Matt 22:1-14 begins "A Certain King Made A Wedding Feast For HIS Son"... This parable is Jesus' Witness of Father's Plan for Christianity. This sentence is also the last mention of The King's Son. In verse 14, Jesus ends the parable with "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

All those Called (in the parable and real life) were Chosen BY The Father. Matt 16:13-20 makes plain that KNOWING WHO Jesus IS, is KNOWLEDGE that ONLY The Father Puts On Your Heart... Knowledge of WHO HE IS is "the rock" or foundation upon which HE Builds HIS Church!

Many were Called, but few CHOOSE=ELECT to Trust God Fully and Give HIM Their Lives...

Not many will ever have the sinner's or pureheart's brokenness. I did. It was the Greatest Blessing of my life, to be so thoroughly broken and afraid to continue living a life without God...

Surrender is Proving You Love God and Put HIM First in your life.

Surrender is "the works" St. James refers to in "Faith Without Works Is Dead!"


In less time than to read this first post, I made my surrender and gave my life unreservedly and completely Unto The Father. When I was done, having opened my heart fully and Given HIM my all, I KNEW I had stood In Father's Presence and was a New man.


Surrender is what Delivers you into Father's Presence and Enables Father To Give You A NEW Heart Of HIS Flesh, "Put MY Spirit Within You" and Enable you to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes and DO MY Judgments". This is Ezekiel 36:26-27; The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life.


We have to die unto self to be alive with HIM Forever. We have to surrender self to be Partakers In HIS Holiness and Victory.


All a matter of heart.

If you Love HIM Fully and Would BE HIS; Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!
 Quoting: Lester


a great deal of BS in your long post...hf mostly poorly based on mind controlled religions.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL



Not hardly...

I've been posting my Christian witness here for almost 18yrs.

I came to make my surrender due to my efforts to work the AA 12 steps in 1984 on my return to AA. A guy showed me how the steps worked, and I had just completed my 4th step list, recognizing my resentments and where I had been at fault with other.

It was 12:30am and I was headed for a soda from the fridge when I heard a soft voice say: "Why don't you give your life to God now? (the 5th step). I got down on my knees and did so...

I told Father-God that I Knew Jesus was HIS Son, Our Redeemer and Saviour, but I didn't know how HE fit into HIS Plan, so I was giving my life to HIM. I callled every name I could think of for Father-God; Jehovah, Abba, Elohim, YahWeh etc.

There was no religion about it. I was a pretty staunch catholic, raised & educated through university level. There was no such dogma or canon for Coming Unto The Father and surrendering. I didn't learn those terms until years later.

Almost 37-1/2 yrs of Daily & Constant Contact With Father-God; plus Recovery From Alcoholism.

As Jesus Said to Nicodemus: "WE Tell you what WE have Seen & Know and still you deny Our Witness. How can I tell you of Heavenly things when you deny earthly things?" John 3 11-12


If anybody plays games and spouts bullshit, it is you pseudo-Christians of Laodicea. Like the very pious Christian woman who told my wife and I about how she can't trust anything The Holy Spirit Gives her until she "proves it in The Word"...

I KNOW The Father and Holy Spirit's voice and testify as to Jesus' Witness in John 17:15 that HIS people (Born-Agains) are "Preserved Against ALL evil".

Want some intellectual rationale you can hang your beliefs on? Then you're unable to Trust God...

Making surrender can happen any number of ways, but it's a matter of manifesting your heart; not following procedure or recitation of some prayer.


It's your carnal-heart that prevents you from taking action. Pretty much, it takes brokenness of the sort that Coming Unto The Father means more to you than self-willed life itself.

Me? I knew I would soon be dead if I couldn't give my life to God. I had fouled it up so brilliantly with my best thinking and plans.


These ARE The Final Moments. I am sure you mean well, but... Unless YOU are yourself an Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, you have no idea what you are posting. YOU either KNOW God, or you don't. YOU either KNOW What You Did, Said, and Felt when YOU Came Unto The Father; or you never have.

Jesus Witnesses harshly and specifically to the church of Laodicea in Revelation ch 3. Paul Says in Hebrews 12:5-10:
5. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8. But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10. For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.



In these Final Moments, it is time to witness only those things Of-God which you Know Are True and Have Experienced.

Most Laodiceans are the haughty and prideful wretches that Jesus Says They Are; "Bastards Not Sons"...

Many will hear "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!

Matt 7:21-23 is pretty clear that HE Don't KNOW You Unless You're Born-Again.


Ten or fifteen minutes to make my surrender and give my life to God. 37+ years ago... The most important moment of my life.
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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There are zero Bible quotes I know suggesting anyone to surrender.
In fact you will be hard pressed to even find that word in the Bible.

So before you try to fix anyone else, maybe calibrate yourself first on what you are talking about.
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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There are zero Bible quotes I know suggesting anyone to surrender.
In fact you will be hard pressed to even find that word in the Bible.

So before you try to fix anyone else, maybe calibrate yourself first on what you are talking about.
 Quoting: panthers



here is one example: KJV James 4:7
"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."


But this is not the point. You are not reading the thread. Is about what Surrender means, which is not defeat. But surrendering to God's or divine guidance and not going against that (resisting) Truth, God...
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your unconditional....


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very sensible choice..on your part..if I do say so myself..
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All of the elites of the world should lead by example and surrender.

Even the Aliens should surrender.
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You never comply with bullies or evil. You never surrender.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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There are zero Bible quotes I know suggesting anyone to surrender.
In fact you will be hard pressed to even find that word in the Bible.

So before you try to fix anyone else, maybe calibrate yourself first on what you are talking about.
 Quoting: panthers


Thy will be done.
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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There are zero Bible quotes I know suggesting anyone to surrender.
In fact you will be hard pressed to even find that word in the Bible.

So before you try to fix anyone else, maybe calibrate yourself first on what you are talking about.
 Quoting: panthers


your bible is not the word of God... and the contents of the piece are not mine.. but another on my team but hints given on surrender by a person here on GLP which lead to the writing of the piece.

YOU have to grow your own SPIRIT MIND and your churches and bible do NOT FOCUS on that which is a HUGE ERROR. Surrender is not winning a battle over another.. it is the working together in a nutshell of two or more parties.. being anyway from a couple to businesses and nations.

if you believe the bible is the only source.. you have a box on your head problem. for it is insufficient to its core and often completely wrong. hf Ones are so mind controlled by religions etc they cannot see the real and that is very obvious right here on GLP... The real must be sought.
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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There are zero Bible quotes I know suggesting anyone to surrender.
In fact you will be hard pressed to even find that word in the Bible.

So before you try to fix anyone else, maybe calibrate yourself first on what you are talking about.
 Quoting: panthers


Thy will be done.
 Quoting: secretswami


Thy will of my Father I DO. As will as the will of Christ Jesus in my direct service WITH HIM.

And I will be working thru help this world comprehend surrender in my future role here.
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Surrender is not about bible quotes and I will start removing the mind control of them if that is what it takes.. OK. YOu people cannot think STRAIGHT because of your "beliefs" which are NOT knowing. This is fanaticism. :Love to you 2:
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There are zero Bible quotes I know suggesting anyone to surrender.
In fact you will be hard pressed to even find that word in the Bible.

So before you try to fix anyone else, maybe calibrate yourself first on what you are talking about.
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your bible is not the word of God... and the contents of the piece are not mine.. but another on my team but hints given on surrender by a person here on GLP which lead to the writing of the piece.

YOU have to grow your own SPIRIT MIND and your churches and bible do NOT FOCUS on that which is a HUGE ERROR. Surrender is not winning a battle over another.. it is the working together in a nutshell of two or more parties.. being anyway from a couple to businesses and nations.

if you believe the bible is the only source.. you have a box on your head problem. for it is insufficient to its core and often completely wrong. hf Ones are so mind controlled by religions etc they cannot see the real and that is very obvious right here on GLP... The real must be sought.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


The Bible is the first religious book to offer prophecy and is the first religious book to actually have prophecies come true.

In just 2020 alone, over 24 prophecies were fulfilled with outstanding accuracy and precision.

Keeping in mind that these prophecies were given about 2000 years ago.

With that being said, the prophecies themselves validate the Book and its source.

If you dont understand that this is a smoking gun and its ready to fire again, then maybe you should invest your time into something more fruitful and suited to your level.

it is purely fruitless for you to try and undermine the facts that prophecies present, especially when they lead to a superior force which you have denied over and over.

The Bible has proven itself over and over to be the Rock of Ages.

Nothing else compares, and for good reason.

Time for you to get on the winning team All, otherwise you will be going in circles forever.

Is what the buddists call Samsara. ;)
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The bible is your mind control directions to you right above... If you want some truth.. cosmic truth . read the Urantia Book..

And then look up all the religious writings that came long before the OT and the NT that were combined into your mind control directions. hf
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From the Urantia Book/Urantia Papers:

PART I
The Central and Superuniverses
PAPER 1
THE UNIVERSAL FATHER

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"The Creator refuses to coerce or compel the submission of the spiritual free wills of his material creatures. The affectionate dedication of the human will to the doing of the Father’s will is man’s choicest gift to God; in fact, such a consecration of creature will constitutes man’s only possible gift of true value to the Paradise Father. In God, man lives, moves, and has his being; there is nothing which man can give to God except this choosing to abide by the Father’s will, and such decisions, effected by the intelligent will creatures of the universes, constitute the reality of that true worship which is so satisfying to the love-dominated nature of the Creator Father."
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Paper 111

5. THE CONSECRATION OF CHOICE

"The doing of the will of God is nothing more or less than an exhibition of creature willingness to share the inner life with God—with the very God who has made such a creature life of inner meaning-value possible. Sharing is Godlike—divine....The imitation of God is the key to perfection; the doing of his will is the secret of survival and of perfection in survival."

".......Peace in this life, survival in death, perfection in the next life, service in eternity—all these are achieved (in spirit) now when the creature personality consents—chooses—to subject the creature will to the Father’s will.

"Such a creature choice is not a surrender of will. It is a consecration of will, an expansion of will, a glorification of will, a perfecting of will; and such choosing raises the creature will from the level of temporal significance to that higher estate wherein the personality of the creature son communes with the personality of the spirit Father."
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SERAPHIN MESSAGE 465:
THE IMPORTANCE OF SURRENDER IN CREATING THE SACRED

Through Rosie, 7th October 2021

We would like to continue, Beloveds on Earth, with our instructions concerning surrender – a word which instantly triggers many of you because you feel it involves SACRIFICE. (And it is of course always your choice whether to work on yourselves, thus removing the trigger, or whether to avoid working on yourselves and simply remove the word). In a way, it does involve sacrifice, yet the OUTCOME of surrendering is vastly preferable to the chaos and enslavement which you have generated on your earth today. As we have already mentioned, surrender is a method of increasing your joy and serenity.




INSTRUCTIONS FOR A PEACEFUL AND JOYFUL LIFE


It is necessary to SURRENDER FIXED IDEAS. A FIXED IDEA IS FINITE. A FIXED IDEA LIMITS YOU. If you release a fixed idea, you open up the door to growth. You allow EVEN GREATER VISIONS TO BLOOM. Why would you want to limit yourselves, Beloveds? Why would you encourage restricting, enslaving and unsatisfactory conditions when you could be leading projects which have a huge capacity to impact large numbers of people positively? Would this not be SACRED WORK?


You must SURRENDER your ideas of “me as opposed to you” and “my success” and “my goal”. You must release the focus on yourself and start to INCLUDE OTHERS IN YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT. You must release ideas of personal gain, personal wealth and personal steps up the career ladder, and you must start to see yourself In RELATION TO ALL OTHERS AND ALL THINGS, positioning yourself and your contributions IN COMBINATION with other contributions so that a synergy effect can take place, resulting in a huge explosion of potential.




To harbour secrets and to “opt out” of this communal forward movement is to miss out on fulfilment. To withdraw, and to avoid participation, is to cement your own unhappiness. Do you have a pet project or a pet plan? Are you proud of being the instigator of such a plan? If so, you must SURRENDER YOUR SUPPOSED OWNERSHIP, FOR NOTHING SACRED WILL BE ACHIEVED IN COMPLETE ISOLATION.




You need others to GROW AND LEARN FASTER, Beloveds, and we can say that although there have been some very fast learners on your earth plane, the majority have been PLODDING ALONG AT AN INCREDIBLY SLOW RATE. These are the ones for whom surrender is a difficult concept, for they already consider themselves as victims who have “surrendered”. These are the ones who, for the most part, refuse to learn and who will reap the (unfortunately negative) results of their (unfortunately negative) behavior. Know also that we love these “little ones”, who cannot conceive of their own greatness and potential, and that is why we try to reach them through such messages.




Coming back to the title of this piece: it is your mandate to CREATE SOMETHING SACRED – not something which is flighty, temporary, mundane or mediocre. It should be characterised by EXCELLENCE. It might have a stunning effect on others, assisting their growth and lighting up their faces with amazement at such beauty, or it may instigate a longing for peace, or it may instill them with increased sensitivity, or it may dispel their greatest fears, or it may fill them with gratitude, or it may bring them to a place of calm, content in the knowledge that they are supported, loved and cared for. ALL WORK ON EARTH FALLS INTO ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, AND IF CARRIED OUT WITH DEVOTION, DILIGENCE AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL, IT WILL BE SACRED WORK.




We would like to focus on one particular category. The most sacred of tasks, in which SURRENDER plays a never-ending and pivotal role, is that of raising children. Not a second goes by, in the heart of a true parent, which is not used for the teaching of the child, and, by the same token, of the child teaching the parent how to teach. The child, in order to learn, must surrender to the knowledge and wisdom of the parent, and the parent must surrender to the slower pace and not-yet-developed learning capacities of the child. Parents are required to be constantly patient and to constantly adjust themselves. Nothing can be forced. There is a phrase which says “Don’t cut off a piece bigger than you can swallow”. All processes must be thorough, constant and appropriate to the “digestive system” of the “swallower”.




What if your present occupation is LESS THAN SACRED? This is an excellent time to review your activities, looking at them from this aspect. We hope that we have been able to provide you with some insights which will serve you and everyone in the future. Seraphin.:to label self:
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SURRENDER IS ISLAM

ISLAM IS SURRENDER

TO SURRENDER IS TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH


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 Quoting: Akali


yes ..... and it means all of the above in the Rosie piece. very few on this planet surrender to the indwelling father which is WHAT ALLAH IS.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


all, tell me one time in human history when someone has surrendered and ended up back on top?
 Quoting: panthers


you did not comprehend the piece did you? to properly surrender is to have reached the top in something you are involved in with another... and the other has also reached the top and there is thus peace.. harmoney.. love and balance.. in whatever was involved in that transaction with another..
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Now We Are Free... this is what happens when parties find Surrender.. it frees all parties in the situation or transaction and the concept will be used heavily by me in my future role in service to Christ Jesus on this world. The use and understanding alone will bring this world into Light and life.





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