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Don't tell your employer your beliefs when seeking a religious exemption.

 
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Don't tell your employer your beliefs when seeking a religious exemption.
You do not have to identify, prove, justify, or enumerate your beliefs when requesting accommodation for deeply and sincerely held religious (or moral) beliefs against a company policy that contradicts such beliefs.

The very act of asking, persuading, requiring you to identify, prove, justify or list your beliefs before granting your accomodation can be, and has been, found to be a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (section VII).

The notion that you need some authority figure to give you their "pastor's note", or that you have to prove you've been part of X religion for N number of years is all complete bullshit. Your authority figure is your 1st amendment, in particular, your right to worship freely.

God doesn't reveal what is right or wrong based on how long you've believed, or who sanctions your belief, or whether or not that belief system is 'established', or who/what you worship. Do not fall for that crap!

The law is the law, and in most states, discrimination laws follow federal law when it comes to the requirement that employers must accommodate their employees for deeply and sincerely held beliefs.

Don't let them bully you. Don't fill out their forms.

Simply object stating that you have "deeply and sincerely held religious (or moral) beliefs" that prevent you from complying and that you seek accommodation.

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Employers must try to accommodate your deeply and sincerely held beliefs. If they claim they can't accommodate them, they must prove it's because it will negatively affect their ability to function.
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If you are in a lawsuit you will need to describe your beliefs. So if you don't describe them to your employer it might be a good idea to write a notorized letter to yourself describing your beliefs for future reference.
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Thanks sending this to someone in need of it now, and hanging onto it for myself
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If you are in a lawsuit you will need to describe your beliefs. So if you don't describe them to your employer it might be a good idea to write a notorized letter to yourself describing your beliefs for future reference.
 Quoting: anon_cow


If you are a Christian, there is a collection of writings that has 66 books, notarized by God.

If you aren't, well, maybe you can send a letter to yourself.

Either way, who or what you worship is protected by the 1st amendment to the constitution, and subsequent sincerely and deeply held beliefs have been upheld time after time by the Supreme Court of the United States.
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Re: Don't tell your employer your beliefs when seeking a religious exemption.
You do not have to identify, prove, justify, or enumerate your beliefs when requesting accommodation for deeply and sincerely held religious (or moral) beliefs against a company policy that contradicts such beliefs.

The very act of asking, persuading, requiring you to identify, prove, justify or list your beliefs before granting your accomodation can be, and has been, found to be a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (section VII).

The notion that you need some authority figure to give you their "pastor's note", or that you have to prove you've been part of X religion for N number of years is all complete bullshit. Your authority figure is your 1st amendment, in particular, your right to worship freely.

God doesn't reveal what is right or wrong based on how long you've believed, or who sanctions your belief, or whether or not that belief system is 'established', or who/what you worship. Do not fall for that crap!

The law is the law, and in most states, discrimination laws follow federal law when it comes to the requirement that employers must accommodate their employees for deeply and sincerely held beliefs.

Don't let them bully you. Don't fill out their forms.

Simply object stating that you have "deeply and sincerely held religious (or moral) beliefs" that prevent you from complying and that you seek accommodation.
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Well said.
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Agree with the principle: don’t over-explain. It’s our right to say No.
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Agree with the principle: don’t over-explain. It’s our right to say No.
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It's more than that. It's using their own justification and reasoning against them.
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Excellent thread. The 1st 2 posts by OP exactly! They want you to fill out a form qualifying your beliefs and get a ”note” from your pastor? What kind of crap is that? Who the fuck are they to judge your private, personal, religious beliefs?

So now there are going to be spiritual ”experts” that get to tell us what we can and can't believe in regards to our faith? LMFAO. If they hand you a form to fill out hand them a letter from a lawyer requesting they provide you with documentation that God has given them the authority to judge you and your faith otherwise they open themselves up for discrimination lawsuit.
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My belief is that my fucking truck will pull my trailer loaded with all my shit right out of that godforsaken place in a moment if they test me.

It doesn't matter if I have 3 bays worth of customer's cars torn apart that will never be finished.

And I let them know it every day. My work history backs this claim up like granite.

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Re: Don't tell your employer your beliefs when seeking a religious exemption.
I kept mine very simple. I believe God will protect me, he tells me to trust him and I do. --In different words.

I read that if u say "...because of the use of fetal cells..." They will say but what about XYZ medication? (about 20 of common ones) have u taken these?

If your employee health dept has medical records that say u do, I dont know that they would aprove.

Also, if u have had vaccines before (like flu) keep in mind they will most likely bring that up. I think working around that is smart.
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If you are in a lawsuit you will need to describe your beliefs. So if you don't describe them to your employer it might be a good idea to write a notorized letter to yourself describing your beliefs for future reference.
 Quoting: anon_cow


If you are a Christian, there is a collection of writings that has 66 books, notarized by God.

If you aren't, well, maybe you can send a letter to yourself.

Either way, who or what you worship is protected by the 1st amendment to the constitution, and subsequent sincerely and deeply held beliefs have been upheld time after time by the Supreme Court of the United States.
 Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface



When their lawyer asks you to describe your beliefs you will need specific answers. You better have good answers or you just wasted a ton of money on a bad lawsuit.

For example:

Beck, a Catholic third-year student at Williamson, claimed that immunization would compromise his ability to act in accordance to his faith. However, Eckel noted in her opinion that, prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, Beck complied with the school’s immunization policy, obtaining vaccines for measles/mumps/rubella, meningitis, tetanus, and hepatitis B, “some or all of which were vaccines he knew to have been developed by using aborted fetal cell lines.”
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Re: Don't tell your employer your beliefs when seeking a religious exemption.
I kept mine very simple. I believe God will protect me, he tells me to trust him and I do. --In different words.

I read that if u say "...because of the use of fetal cells..." They will say but what about XYZ medication? (about 20 of common ones) have u taken these?

If your employee health dept has medical records that say u do, I dont know that they would aprove.

Also, if u have had vaccines before (like flu) keep in mind they will most likely bring that up. I think working around that is smart.
 Quoting: trthskr


Your deeply / sincerely held beliefs are never in question. They must prove that they couldn't accommodate them because it would severely affect business.

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Ours hasn't said anything about it, but everyone is prepared and it's been talked over many times.

The exemptions go in, and it's not open to negotiate. Either they accept it, or they can show me the door. I have many multiple investments outside the corporation, so I can sit home for years.

We'll know what these clot shots are doing well before then.
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If you are in a lawsuit you will need to describe your beliefs. So if you don't describe them to your employer it might be a good idea to write a notorized letter to yourself describing your beliefs for future reference.
 Quoting: anon_cow

We're talking about how to deal with the employer, not how to deal with a cross-examination in court.

“How to Obtain a Religious Exemption” ~ Sheldon Karasik, JD
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If you are in a lawsuit, obviously you first need a good attorney, and then you'll need to follow their advice carefully.

There are a lot of class-action suits coming.

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a religious exemption only buys you time, they have taken away nearly every freedom and liberty, what makes you think a religious exemption will be your saving grace. using religion says your scared. we cant run away from this, stand up for yourself now and just say no! or your only only prolonging the inevitable.. minds well just roll up your sleeve now. i work at walmart and i have yet to give my vax status, i know they will eventually pop up as non compliant on their list. AND THAT'S THE WAY ITS GOING TO STAY, I REFUSE TO LET THEM LOG ANY ANSWER!!!
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You do not have to identify, prove, justify, or enumerate your beliefs when requesting accommodation for deeply and sincerely held religious (or moral) beliefs against a company policy that contradicts such beliefs.

The very act of asking, persuading, requiring you to identify, prove, justify or list your beliefs before granting your accomodation can be, and has been, found to be a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act (section VII).

The notion that you need some authority figure to give you their "pastor's note", or that you have to prove you've been part of X religion for N number of years is all complete bullshit. Your authority figure is your 1st amendment, in particular, your right to worship freely.

God doesn't reveal what is right or wrong based on how long you've believed, or who sanctions your belief, or whether or not that belief system is 'established', or who/what you worship. Do not fall for that crap!

The law is the law, and in most states, discrimination laws follow federal law when it comes to the requirement that employers must accommodate their employees for deeply and sincerely held beliefs.

Don't let them bully you. Don't fill out their forms.

Simply object stating that you have "deeply and sincerely held religious (or moral) beliefs" that prevent you from complying and that you seek accommodation.
 Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface


Thread: PLEASE PIN - The BEST religious exemption form for employer mandated Covid Vaccine! Your life may depend on this!

All credit goes to the original thread linked and quoted below for context and the original form. I have updated it to include the actual citation of the federal laws that protect your rights in regards to religious discrimination.

Original thread link

Thread: How to REFUSE The JAB AND KEEP Your JOB!!!!!!!!

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<Date>
<Full legal name>
<Address>
Phone:
Email:

Dear <Name of Employer/Organization>,

I am writing you to make you aware that I hold a specific religious belief that prevents me from taking a Covid Vaccine. Per United States Federal Labor and Employment Law, my religious beliefs cannot be used as grounds for any termination / retaliation / discrimination. Additionally, I am under no obligation to be specific with you of these beliefs, to enumerate them, or be asked or required to defend them.

Please be advised that vaccinations (and certain other medical procedures/applications) violate my deeply held religious convictions. Accordingly, I am exercising my federally protected rights under 42 USC § 2000e–2(a)(et seq) which read as follows:

Unlawful employment practices

(a) Employer practices

It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer—

(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or

(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.


Therefore, please place this letter in my appropriate HR file as a substitute for any such "proof of vaccine" or "certificate of vaccine" that you may need.

Thank you.

Signature: ___________________________________ Date: ________________________

- <Full Legal Name>

*************************************************************​*************************************************************​*************************************************************​***********************************************************
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It doesn’t even have to be a religious belief. Only a sincere belief:

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Exactly. You just give them the form and no other information. It is a philosophical difference anyways. If they ask you your association, it is not of their business. You just say that... "It is a philosophical difference and I have the right to be respected for that."
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If you are in a lawsuit you will need to describe your beliefs. So if you don't describe them to your employer it might be a good idea to write a notorized letter to yourself describing your beliefs for future reference.
 Quoting: anon_cow

We're talking about how to deal with the employer, not how to deal with a cross-examination in court.

“How to Obtain a Religious Exemption” ~ Sheldon Karasik, JD
[link to americasfrontlinedoctors.org (secure)]

If you are in a lawsuit, obviously you first need a good attorney, and then you'll need to follow their advice carefully.

There are a lot of class-action suits coming.
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a religious exemption only buys you time, they have taken away nearly every freedom and liberty, what makes you think a religious exemption will be your saving grace. using religion says your scared. we cant run away from this, stand up for yourself now and just say no! or your only only prolonging the inevitable.. minds well just roll up your sleeve now. i work at walmart and i have yet to give my vax status, i know they will eventually pop up as non compliant on their list. AND THAT'S THE WAY ITS GOING TO STAY, I REFUSE TO LET THEM LOG ANY ANSWER!!!
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My belief is that my fucking truck will pull my trailer loaded with all my shit right out of that godforsaken place in a moment if they test me.

It doesn't matter if I have 3 bays worth of customer's cars torn apart that will never be finished.

And I let them know it every day. My work history backs this claim up like granite.

scheming
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Or you could employ the Hannibal defense.

Just hold up a bottle of Chianti and a can of fava beans, then lick your lips while staring at their liver. :)
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"Religious exemption" as an excuse is a con-job when it comes to the clot shot. By stating religious exemption, you are in fact revealing your clot shot status. You have the RIGHT TO PRIVACY , especially medical privacy (the most important area for privacy IMO). So a better response would be to say, my medical history is private and between me and my doctor. That way they can't make you leave by knowing you don't have the shot. They have to guess if you have taken the shot or not and they will have no proof you are not or are clot shotted with the death shot.

Use your right to privacy before you have to use your right to religious exemption. It makes sense to use religious exemption to get out wearing a mask because it is obvious if you are wearing one or not. But it is not obvious at all if you have taken the clot shot. No need to reveal it. Even if you have the shot, do us all a favor and refuse to tell anyone else about it.

When you are explaining why you are not taking the clot shot, what you are doing is playing the victim in a narcissistic relationship dynamic. You are doing what is known as "JADE'ing" JADE here stands for: Justify, Argue, Defend & Explain"

If you find yourself doing any of these 4 things to someone other than your close family and loved ones, then you are in a toxic relationship and need to end it.

Never JADE when it comes to your personal medical info. It's nobody's business what you chose to do with your body. What are they going to do? Torture you to get an answer? Only slaves JADE for their masters, freemen know they owe nobody an explanation for their actions. I tell my wife and my doctor about private medical stuff, that's it.

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My belief is that my fucking truck will pull my trailer loaded with all my shit right out of that godforsaken place in a moment if they test me.

It doesn't matter if I have 3 bays worth of customer's cars torn apart that will never be finished.

And I let them know it every day. My work history backs this claim up like granite.

scheming
 Quoting: DieselTech


Or you could employ the Hannibal defense.

Just hold up a bottle of Chianti and a can of fava beans, then lick your lips while staring at their liver. :)
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Be sure to do that sucking motion at the end for dramatic effect.

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