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Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?

 
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Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I'm looking at a 2006 expedition in great shape, but it has the 5.4 Triton engine that scares me off. They seem to be plagued with problems. Is there a reasonable swap for the 5.4? I'm not really a ford guy and I don't know what is available.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I think they got the bugs worked out by then. They are really not a bad engine. Worthy of 300,000 miles or better.

Really don't know of any easy swaps. Ford usually sucks in that aspect.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Apparently Fraser engines rebuild and bulletproof them. Not sure on a swap though
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I think they got the bugs worked out by then. They are really not a bad engine. Worthy of 300,000 miles or better.

Really don't know of any easy swaps. Ford usually sucks in that aspect.
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The current engine has 200,000 and known problems go from breaking sparkplugs in the hole to timing chain failures in an interference engine..ie bye bye engine. If I could swap engines, this might be a good deal
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
If you can't figure this out, might I suggest a replaced oil pump... Not sure if that year has the plastic chain guides or not, but that is an additional replacement to be made (replace with metal). I do know that this works on '04. Not sure if the problem is the same.

Alberta native here. Have had and dealt with a lot of F150s...
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Apparently Fraser engines rebuild and bulletproof them. Not sure on a swap though
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Do you have any idea of the cost for a crate engine? 10 years ago it cost me 3200 to put a crate engine into my 98 gmc. That's what they're asking for the expedition
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Just buy an old Tacoma or Tundra and not have to worry about shit breaking down every other month.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Get a car with a good engine to begin with?
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
V10 ?
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
If you can't figure this out, might I suggest a replaced oil pump... Not sure if that year has the plastic chain guides or not, but that is an additional replacement to be made (replace with metal). I do know that this works on '04. Not sure if the problem is the same.

Alberta native here. Have had and dealt with a lot of F150s...
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I suppose i might consider that and replacing the guides (plastic I think) before there is a problem.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
If you can't figure this out, might I suggest a replaced oil pump... Not sure if that year has the plastic chain guides or not, but that is an additional replacement to be made (replace with metal). I do know that this works on '04. Not sure if the problem is the same.

Alberta native here. Have had and dealt with a lot of F150s...
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I should elaborate; one of the biggest design defects of the older engines is not getting enough oil to them. This causes sludge and eventually broken plastic guides. After that, you have what I like to call a "slightly used early 2000s stock ford engine". Aka it's FRIGGED.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
V10 ?
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5.4 Triton v8
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Get a car with a good engine to begin with?
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Excellent idea KipKat. Could you loan me 30K until next thursday?
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
If you can't figure this out, might I suggest a replaced oil pump... Not sure if that year has the plastic chain guides or not, but that is an additional replacement to be made (replace with metal). I do know that this works on '04. Not sure if the problem is the same.

Alberta native here. Have had and dealt with a lot of F150s...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80708170


I should elaborate; one of the biggest design defects of the older engines is not getting enough oil to them. This causes sludge and eventually broken plastic guides. After that, you have what I like to call a "slightly used early 2000s stock ford engine". Aka it's FRIGGED.
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Maybe Ford should start buying engines from GM or Toyota.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
If you can't figure this out, might I suggest a replaced oil pump... Not sure if that year has the plastic chain guides or not, but that is an additional replacement to be made (replace with metal). I do know that this works on '04. Not sure if the problem is the same.

Alberta native here. Have had and dealt with a lot of F150s...
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I suppose i might consider that and replacing the guides (plastic I think) before there is a problem.
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Yeah if there's 200,000 on there already it's a gamble. But if the standard issues haven't popped up yet, this will help you get much more out of it.

I don't mind the swap idea either. This is just if you decide against it or can not find anything. Sorry I can't help there.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
V10 ?
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Oh. Is there a ford v10 gas engine that will fit in the same bay as the 5.4? How about the transmissions fitting?
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Throw an LS in there and call it a day.

Probably not plug and play.. but one of the easier more reliable swaps.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I'm looking at a 2006 expedition in great shape, but it has the 5.4 Triton engine that scares me off. They seem to be plagued with problems. Is there a reasonable swap for the 5.4? I'm not really a ford guy and I don't know what is available.
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Also; didn't realize you don't own this vehicle yet. Give it a serious test. Bring a reader if you can also. Lots of people ditching shit on others (absolutely unacceptable).

If you see half a dozen P sensor issues, run, and run fast.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Apparently Fraser engines rebuild and bulletproof them. Not sure on a swap though
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Do you have any idea of the cost for a crate engine? 10 years ago it cost me 3200 to put a crate engine into my 98 gmc. That's what they're asking for the expedition
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On their site it says 2900 for the upgraded one
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Get a car with a good engine to begin with?
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Excellent idea KipKat. Could you loan me 30K until next thursday?
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You said you were looking at it, so, look elsewhere...
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I'm looking at a 2006 expedition in great shape, but it has the 5.4 Triton engine that scares me off. They seem to be plagued with problems. Is there a reasonable swap for the 5.4? I'm not really a ford guy and I don't know what is available.
 Quoting: Pilgrim001


Also; didn't realize you don't own this vehicle yet. Give it a serious test. Bring a reader if you can also. Lots of people ditching shit on others (absolutely unacceptable).

If you see half a dozen P sensor issues, run, and run fast.
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A reader and listen to see if there are any funny sounds that might be coming from the timing chain.
It is a 50K car and still very nice, which is the only reason I'm even thinking of buying a Ford.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
5.4 isn’t a bad motor at all, easily capable of 300k... I beat the heck out of my 5.4, didn’t change the oil very often...and it just kept on taking the abuse. Having owned a 2000 expedition the only problems I EVER had was the motor spit two spark plugs...easy fix for me, but I’m a mechanic. The head problem with spark plugs was corrected by 2006.

As far as swapping, you might want to be a good mechanic/fabricator...or have some deep pockets.

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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Ran one for five years 0 problems except coils.
Same #1 cylinder.

Just regular maintenance.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Ran one for five years 0 problems except coils.
Same #1 cylinder.

Just regular maintenance.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I think they got the bugs worked out by then. They are really not a bad engine. Worthy of 300,000 miles or better.

Really don't know of any easy swaps. Ford usually sucks in that aspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75283157


The current engine has 200,000 and known problems go from breaking sparkplugs in the hole to timing chain failures in an interference engine..ie bye bye engine. If I could swap engines, this might be a good deal
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I know there was also a problem with a fuel injector sticking open, leading to a seized cylinder.

You can easily spend $600 just for aftermarket cam phasers.

My son has one in his driveway, just spent $1200 in cam parts, got it running and in two days it seized.

I guess when it runs, it runs so nice he just wouldn't give up. After it seized, a tree fell on it. I think that's a sign.

He spent days just drilling out broken bolts and he bitched hard about the difficulty in replacing the starter, which was about $200.

I'd run away.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Watch Car Wizard he won't steer you wrong ( pun intended)
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
I think they got the bugs worked out by then. They are really not a bad engine. Worthy of 300,000 miles or better.

Really don't know of any easy swaps. Ford usually sucks in that aspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75283157


The current engine has 200,000 and known problems go from breaking sparkplugs in the hole to timing chain failures in an interference engine..ie bye bye engine. If I could swap engines, this might be a good deal
 Quoting: Pilgrim001



I know there was also a problem with a fuel injector sticking open, leading to a seized cylinder.

You can easily spend $600 just for aftermarket cam phasers.

My son has one in his driveway, just spent $1200 in cam parts, got it running and in two days it seized.

I guess when it runs, it runs so nice he just wouldn't give up. After it seized, a tree fell on it. I think that's a sign.

He spent days just drilling out broken bolts and he bitched hard about the difficulty in replacing the starter, which was about $200.

I'd run away.
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LOL. My gmc pickup is sitting without a starter. both bolts broke off and my son could only get one stub out. I think he screwed up the other one. I would happily pay 200 to get someone to remove the other stub and put on a starter.
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
If you can't figure this out, might I suggest a replaced oil pump... Not sure if that year has the plastic chain guides or not, but that is an additional replacement to be made (replace with metal). I do know that this works on '04. Not sure if the problem is the same.

Alberta native here. Have had and dealt with a lot of F150s...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80708170


I should elaborate; one of the biggest design defects of the older engines is not getting enough oil to them. This causes sludge and eventually broken plastic guides. After that, you have what I like to call a "slightly used early 2000s stock ford engine". Aka it's FRIGGED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80708170


Maybe Ford should start buying engines from GM or Toyota.
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If that's what you want then by all means buy GM or Tonka toy......meanwhile Ill drag ya out with my 01 7.3....
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Re: Mechanics? What is a plug and play swap for a 2006 5.4 Triton engine?
Watch Car Wizard he won't steer you wrong ( pun intended)
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The more I read about the 5.4, the worse it seems. Why can't Ford make an engine as reliable as honda or toyota?
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