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CHINA has sparked World War 3 fears after sending warships to Alaska amid boiling tensions with the US over the South China Sea dispute.

Four Chinese warships, including one of China's most advanced destroyers, were spotted near the Aleutian Island chain.

The US is wary of the presence of Chinese warships close to the country, particularly advanced destroyers like the Type 055





A guided missile cruiser, a destroyer, a resupply ship and a surveillance ship are being positioned to shoot down any aircraft flying in the air bridge corridor from Alaska to Asia to prevent US forces from sending men and supplies by air to Japan, Korea, Okinawa, and Taiwan.

Having flown that route before, this is not good news and to make matters worse our media is ignoring what is happening and the DOD is scrubbing their own media website of the pictures of these ships inside US waters being followed by Coast Guard cutters.

Also China is also sending an additional task force to Hawaii as well.

They are preparing to prevent US forces from reinforcing bases in Asia by air and possibly by sea from Pearl Harbor.
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NICE TARGETS all out in the open.
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I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
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NICE TARGETS all out in the open.
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Only if we have something that can shoot back, Alaska Coast Guard Cutters aren't known for their firepower but for their ability to rescue ships in artic waters.

I cannot find anything on the size of the group they are sending to Hawaii but I suspect it is bigger.
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NICE TARGETS all out in the open.
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Same for your carrier fleets on the China sea. DF-21s are fully ready
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Don't act like you're outraged, that's what you do to them..

So they do it to you..
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I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
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You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198


You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
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And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles?
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198


You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right?

What a fucking hypocrite...
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long.
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I suspect that’s not the point. China has little problem sacrificing men and material if it suits their strategic purpose. By placing a few pawns in our path, they force our hands on engagement. With that, China can claim justification to escalate significantly. With the US knowing that this is the case, we will hesitate. That hesitation may just give China all the time it needs to succeed in their immediate goal.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers.
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They have at least 6

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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers.
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They have at least 6
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They have 2... Thanks for the disinfo....
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198


You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles?
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Easy, China did it like a thief breaking into a back door after midnight into an empty house owned by someone else.

The US did it like a cop at the front door responding to a call for help.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198


You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198



Easy, China did it like a thief breaking into a back door after midnight into an empty house owned by someone else.

The US did it like a cop at the front door responding to a call for help.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE



I've never seen such a fucking hypocrite, he's gotta work for the Cia or shit like that cruise unbelievable cruise
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198


You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right?

What a fucking hypocrite...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79332936


Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection.

I'll wait.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198


You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right?

What a fucking hypocrite...
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Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection.

I'll wait.
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Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite cruise
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You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198



Easy, China did it like a thief breaking into a back door after midnight into an empty house owned by someone else.

The US did it like a cop at the front door responding to a call for help.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE



I've never seen such a fucking hypocrite, he's gotta work for the Cia or shit like that cruise unbelievable cruise
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If I did I would not be posting here.

Calling me a hypocrite only works if you can prove it.

There is a huge difference between bad national policy and out and out thievery
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Find me a US president who doesn't have blood on his hands, find one cruise

Your military industrial complex is so good at brainwashing you that you're the good guys that you even defend it cruise
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You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs.

That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades.

China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right?

What a fucking hypocrite...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79332936


Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection.

I'll wait.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite cruise
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In other words you don't have a single example to stand on.

and I ask for just one example.
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And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right?

What a fucking hypocrite...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79332936


Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection.

I'll wait.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite cruise
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In other words you don't have a single example to stand on.

and I ask for just one example.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


Your country is waging wars and coups d'états all over the world since the end of world War 2.. Everybody knows it... You'll get what you deserve one day, that's for sure ohyeah

Man you're an adult and you're into Mangas and kids stuff.. Fucking creep cruise
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Find me a US president who doesn't have blood on his hands, find one cruise

Your military industrial complex is so good at brainwashing you that you're the good guys that you even defend it cruise
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You have the reputation of being some pedo creep, but you're also a fucking hypocrite, better and better cruise
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Find me a US president who doesn't have blood on his hands, find one cruise

Your military industrial complex is so good at brainwashing you that you're the good guys that you even defend it cruise
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John Adams
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1797... In case you didn't know, world War 2 started in 1939 and that's exactly when the military industrial complex took over America.. Find an other one cruise
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When the Fed defaults on the trillions borrowed from China over the last 2 years, we might see some fireworks?
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Find me a US president who doesn't have blood on his hands, find one cruise

Your military industrial complex is so good at brainwashing you that you're the good guys that you even defend it cruise
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You're so whiny when you're hungry...Have some bacon.
Don't ban me bro.
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Hawai’i? Bad idea.
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Re: China moves to place task forces of warships to Alaska and Hawaii
So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long.
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I suspect that’s not the point. China has little problem sacrificing men and material if it suits their strategic purpose. By placing a few pawns in our path, they force our hands on engagement. With that, China can claim justification to escalate significantly. With the US knowing that this is the case, we will hesitate. That hesitation may just give China all the time it needs to succeed in their immediate goal.
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I dunno. It really doesn't force our hand. China has to actually do something to prevent us sending supplies that route. And regardless of what that small contingency of ships does, once it does it they go bye bye and the route is back open AND they have even more shit to worry about than before. It doesn't really accomplish anything except them officially declaring war as soon as they try to stop anything. Might as well start with a nuclear first strike if you're going to attack us.

The one thing about the U.S., we might not win wars, but we will fuck your infrastructure into the 1800s. China has over a billion mouths to feed and the CCP can't maintain power if it doesn't keep most of those mouths fed. They're just waving their dicks saying "Look, we can do what you do also."

I seriously think we're more likely to let Taiwan be taken than go to war with China because of it. Personally, it's none of my fucking business and I think we should stay out of it. If anything, all we did was lull Taiwan into a false sense of security while simultaneously turning China into the near peer they are. They were practically third world status 100 years ago.

Once upon a time we were stronger than all our enemies and could impose our will practically anywhere. Today, we have made so many enemies that cumulatively, they are a lot stronger than us. So we can no longer impose our will anywhere and everywhere. Fighting over Taiwan is a war we lose unless we break out the nukes. And we still lose. Realistically, they're all Chinese. Why should we start WW3 over that?

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We've been at war with China since the start of Covid...

It's called a soft-war but it may go kinetic and nuclear quick.
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Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection.

I'll wait.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite cruise
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In other words you don't have a single example to stand on.

and I ask for just one example.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


Your country is waging wars and coups d'états all over the world since the end of world War 2.. Everybody knows it... You'll get what you deserve one day, that's for sure ohyeah

Man you're an adult and you're into Mangas and kids stuff.. Fucking creep cruise
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And France hasn't?

one word: Napoléon

As for the avatar I have been using it off and on for twenty years, and feel no shame in doing so.

She's a great character.





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