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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78919198 United States 09/14/2021 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only if we have something that can shoot back, Alaska Coast Guard Cutters aren't known for their firepower but for their ability to rescue ships in artic waters. I cannot find anything on the size of the group they are sending to Hawaii but I suspect it is bigger. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66657024 United States 09/14/2021 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long. |
rustyclutch151
User ID: 66657024 United States 09/14/2021 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66657024 *is |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78919198 United States 09/14/2021 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79332936 France 09/14/2021 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right? What a fucking hypocrite... |
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User ID: 78895011 United States 09/14/2021 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66657024 I suspect that’s not the point. China has little problem sacrificing men and material if it suits their strategic purpose. By placing a few pawns in our path, they force our hands on engagement. With that, China can claim justification to escalate significantly. With the US knowing that this is the case, we will hesitate. That hesitation may just give China all the time it needs to succeed in their immediate goal. “A person is smart, people are stupid.” “Nobody knows until everybody knows” |
HarMegiddo
User ID: 79751988 United States 09/14/2021 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66657024 They have at least 6 Last Edited by HarMegiddo on 09/14/2021 05:02 PM HarMegiddo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79332936 France 09/14/2021 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66657024 They have at least 6 They have 2... Thanks for the disinfo.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles? Easy, China did it like a thief breaking into a back door after midnight into an empty house owned by someone else. The US did it like a cop at the front door responding to a call for help. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79332936 France 09/14/2021 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles? Easy, China did it like a thief breaking into a back door after midnight into an empty house owned by someone else. The US did it like a cop at the front door responding to a call for help. I've never seen such a fucking hypocrite, he's gotta work for the Cia or shit like that unbelievable |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right? What a fucking hypocrite... Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection. I'll wait. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79332936 France 09/14/2021 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm no fan of China, but you reap what you sow. I don't like the thought of Chinese or Russian ships anywhere near our waters, but at some point people get tired of the US Navy (and the Coast Guard of all people) sailing ships in any territorial water because the US government thinks it can do whatever it wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78919198 If China does this without any response, you are going to see others do it as well. You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right? What a fucking hypocrite... Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection. I'll wait. Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And how is that any different than the US Government sending our military (and CIA) into every other middle eastern country and either overthrowing their leadership or causing a civil war, with the full intent of installing a puppet government friendly to the west, taking over their oil, and installing military bases every 50 square miles? Easy, China did it like a thief breaking into a back door after midnight into an empty house owned by someone else. The US did it like a cop at the front door responding to a call for help. I've never seen such a fucking hypocrite, he's gotta work for the Cia or shit like that unbelievable If I did I would not be posting here. Calling me a hypocrite only works if you can prove it. There is a huge difference between bad national policy and out and out thievery |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE You do realize that the areas where China is having a shit fit over are disputed islands that they claimed are theirs. That they quite literally have claimed Islands the Philippines, Taiwan and Japan own and have owned for decades. China has been moving in like drug dealers into vacant houses every chance they get to build military bases on these rocks in the middle of the sea lanes. And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right? What a fucking hypocrite... Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection. I'll wait. Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite In other words you don't have a single example to stand on. and I ask for just one example. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79332936 France 09/14/2021 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79332936 And the past and present us governments were innocent angels, right? What a fucking hypocrite... Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection. I'll wait. Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite In other words you don't have a single example to stand on. and I ask for just one example. Your country is waging wars and coups d'états all over the world since the end of world War 2.. Everybody knows it... You'll get what you deserve one day, that's for sure Man you're an adult and you're into Mangas and kids stuff.. Fucking creep |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79332936 France 09/14/2021 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Find me a US president who doesn't have blood on his hands, find one Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79332936 Your military industrial complex is so good at brainwashing you that you're the good guys that you even defend it John Adams 1797... In case you didn't know, world War 2 started in 1939 and that's exactly when the military industrial complex took over America.. Find an other one |
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rustyclutch151
User ID: 66657024 United States 09/14/2021 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So that's what, maybe a handful of ships? I'm not one of those "america in undefeatable" people, but that really amounts to no more than a nuisance once you factor in they have no aircraft carriers. Sure, they could fuck some shit up, but then what? They might as well launch from submarines. All that shit would get destroyed and they would still have to deal with retaliation. Them ships ain't shutting down much of anything for long. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66657024 I suspect that’s not the point. China has little problem sacrificing men and material if it suits their strategic purpose. By placing a few pawns in our path, they force our hands on engagement. With that, China can claim justification to escalate significantly. With the US knowing that this is the case, we will hesitate. That hesitation may just give China all the time it needs to succeed in their immediate goal. I dunno. It really doesn't force our hand. China has to actually do something to prevent us sending supplies that route. And regardless of what that small contingency of ships does, once it does it they go bye bye and the route is back open AND they have even more shit to worry about than before. It doesn't really accomplish anything except them officially declaring war as soon as they try to stop anything. Might as well start with a nuclear first strike if you're going to attack us. The one thing about the U.S., we might not win wars, but we will fuck your infrastructure into the 1800s. China has over a billion mouths to feed and the CCP can't maintain power if it doesn't keep most of those mouths fed. They're just waving their dicks saying "Look, we can do what you do also." I seriously think we're more likely to let Taiwan be taken than go to war with China because of it. Personally, it's none of my fucking business and I think we should stay out of it. If anything, all we did was lull Taiwan into a false sense of security while simultaneously turning China into the near peer they are. They were practically third world status 100 years ago. Once upon a time we were stronger than all our enemies and could impose our will practically anywhere. Today, we have made so many enemies that cumulatively, they are a lot stronger than us. So we can no longer impose our will anywhere and everywhere. Fighting over Taiwan is a war we lose unless we break out the nukes. And we still lose. Realistically, they're all Chinese. Why should we start WW3 over that? Last Edited by rustyclutch151 on 09/14/2021 05:39 PM |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 09/14/2021 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE Name one instance where in peace time the US took an island away from another country by literally claiming they had the military right to it for US protection. I'll wait. Since the end of ww2 America has known no fucking peace time you fucking hypocrite In other words you don't have a single example to stand on. and I ask for just one example. Your country is waging wars and coups d'états all over the world since the end of world War 2.. Everybody knows it... You'll get what you deserve one day, that's for sure Man you're an adult and you're into Mangas and kids stuff.. Fucking creep And France hasn't? one word: Napoléon As for the avatar I have been using it off and on for twenty years, and feel no shame in doing so. She's a great character. |