Conundrum: 3 of 5 of my clients are demanding my team be jabbed! Go bankrupt or comply! | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80426581 United States 08/04/2021 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is exactly why I don't keep customers who are stupid sheep. My customers know who I am and I, they. Did you think your customers' money didn't carry their energy and karma? I was faced with this two years ago. I happily chose bankruptcy. It's just money. You'll find another way. but at least you will be free of the business that has you enslaved. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74807958 United States 08/04/2021 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no worries, You currently believe you have 100% compliance, Thank you. As proof is currently difficult, give your clients a medical release form. State you are too small to violate federal HIPPA laws personally. Please send in medical release forms for all of THEIR employees and sub contractors and you will request your employees send their HIPPA waiver to them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80172982 United States 08/04/2021 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These 3 clients are 72% of my company's revenue and 75% of our net profit. I expect the other 2 will demand we be vaxxed as well. Quoting: Stumpknocker Significant liability for me and them if someone spreads COVID while working. I spoke with a competitor this morning who's in the same industry and she has heard rumors of this, but not received notice. She is jabbed, but most of her staff isn't. We are physically in our client's retailer's locations. Zoom is no longer an option. No testing, vax or nothing. No more tip toeing around it, no religious exemptions, no medical exemptions, as it is universal and non-discriminatory. We really have no constitutional, common or legislated law to get us out of this. Jacobson vs. Missouri sealed that fate (small pox vax in 1905) link [link to supreme.justia.com (secure)] I am now faced with losing my business or potentially losing my life, laying people off and filing bankruptcy or taking the risk that this really is the mark of the beast and ultimately losing forever. This entire situation is almost perfectly inline with the biblical description of the mark. There are no absolutes known with the vax and that makes it tougher. I have had 3 friends that we suspect died related to the vax and several others vaxxed with no ill effects. I once thought that owning the joint would keep me and those I care about (my co-workers) out of harms way. I was wrong. We must remember one thing. When a man has nothing left to lose, he loses it. Materially, I am about to lose everything. Is my honor and principle really worth losing everything I have worked 16 hours a day for for 30+ years? Either send only vaxed members of your team, or tell the client to go suck a lemon. Main thing, is calm down. You're reacting to something that hasn't happened yet. Also, both you and your client could be liable for violating the accommodation laws under the ADA, and could get the pants sued off you both if you go the vaxed way or the highway route. Covid spread is not limited to employees, so the liability is really quite moot. I'd frankly just spine up and say this is how we roll, if your client doesn't like it, there's always another client. Either you run your business or let your client run your business. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79989423 Panama 08/04/2021 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These 3 clients are 72% of my company's revenue and 75% of our net profit. I expect the other 2 will demand we be vaxxed as well. Quoting: Stumpknocker Significant liability for me and them if someone spreads COVID while working. I spoke with a competitor this morning who's in the same industry and she has heard rumors of this, but not received notice. She is jabbed, but most of her staff isn't. We are physically in our client's retailer's locations. Zoom is no longer an option. No testing, vax or nothing. No more tip toeing around it, no religious exemptions, no medical exemptions, as it is universal and non-discriminatory. We really have no constitutional, common or legislated law to get us out of this. Jacobson vs. Missouri sealed that fate (small pox vax in 1905) link [link to supreme.justia.com (secure)] I am now faced with losing my business or potentially losing my life, laying people off and filing bankruptcy or taking the risk that this really is the mark of the beast and ultimately losing forever. This entire situation is almost perfectly inline with the biblical description of the mark. There are no absolutes known with the vax and that makes it tougher. I have had 3 friends that we suspect died related to the vax and several others vaxxed with no ill effects. I once thought that owning the joint would keep me and those I care about (my co-workers) out of harms way. I was wrong. We must remember one thing. When a man has nothing left to lose, he loses it. Materially, I am about to lose everything. Is my honor and principle really worth losing everything I have worked 16 hours a day for for 30+ years? Wouldn't you be a lot happier taking some time off? Taking some time to refect and find a new path in life? Do you really want to stay on the path you're on now? Life is full of choices and we all have to make them, this is your time so are you going to seize the day and start fresh or stick with the same stale old routine in order to please a bunch of people who don't care about you anyway? I made my choice last year, closed my business, left all of it behind and I'm beyond happy with my decision. If and when things calm down I'll start fresh without a weight hanging around my neck. Whatever you decide, I sincerely hope it works out for you. |
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Stumpknocker
(OP) User ID: 80692338 United States 08/04/2021 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ask yourself, do you want to live or die? Quoting: beeches bankruptcy looks a heck of a lot better than ADE I agree! Perhaps this opens a new/old opportunity. We developed a learning app a few years ago and could not get much traction with it and shelved it. We tried again during COViD, but Zoom was the means we used. We had to develop new strategies for retailing in a completely digital environment. As soon as the mask mandates ended, everything flooded back into the retailer's in record numbers I have now put some folks working on a redeployment this in lieu of some of our live consulting. We do have a lot of resistance though. "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money"-- Thomas Sowell The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71851949 United States 08/04/2021 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Liquidate the business or sell it off to some compliant retard for many millions take said millions and reward your most worthy workers with a fat payout. Then plot to kill whom is necessary when the time comes. |
Butch DeFeo
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Prayandprepare000
User ID: 79274991 United States 08/04/2021 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am sorry, very very sorry. It is so wrong. If you elect to get the jab, you must first ask your doctor to write you a script for a blood count. They will probably be happy to get you labwork if you say you are considering the vaxx. If ay of the various types of white blood cells come back too low, below normal ranges, or low platelets, or for that matter low red cells, I would not get it. Unless you have normal healthy blood levels it is too risky. You can hope that with normal white cells you will be in the approximately 40% that do not get micro clotting. That does not address neurological issues or inflammation. If you have any auto immune diseases already, no no no. Personally I would walk away and trust God to open up another job. But that's just me. I will pray for you. It is heart wrenching to hear stories like this. |
Stumpknocker
(OP) User ID: 80692338 United States 08/04/2021 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These 3 clients are 72% of my company's revenue and 75% of our net profit. I expect the other 2 will demand we be vaxxed as well. Quoting: Stumpknocker Significant liability for me and them if someone spreads COVID while working. I spoke with a competitor this morning who's in the same industry and she has heard rumors of this, but not received notice. She is jabbed, but most of her staff isn't. We are physically in our client's retailer's locations. Zoom is no longer an option. No testing, vax or nothing. No more tip toeing around it, no religious exemptions, no medical exemptions, as it is universal and non-discriminatory. We really have no constitutional, common or legislated law to get us out of this. Jacobson vs. Missouri sealed that fate (small pox vax in 1905) link [link to supreme.justia.com (secure)] I am now faced with losing my business or potentially losing my life, laying people off and filing bankruptcy or taking the risk that this really is the mark of the beast and ultimately losing forever. This entire situation is almost perfectly inline with the biblical description of the mark. There are no absolutes known with the vax and that makes it tougher. I have had 3 friends that we suspect died related to the vax and several others vaxxed with no ill effects. I once thought that owning the joint would keep me and those I care about (my co-workers) out of harms way. I was wrong. We must remember one thing. When a man has nothing left to lose, he loses it. Materially, I am about to lose everything. Is my honor and principle really worth losing everything I have worked 16 hours a day for for 30+ years? Either send only vaxed members of your team, or tell the client to go suck a lemon. Main thing, is calm down. You're reacting to something that hasn't happened yet. Also, both you and your client could be liable for violating the accommodation laws under the ADA, and could get the pants sued off you both if you go the vaxed way or the highway route. Covid spread is not limited to employees, so the liability is really quite moot. I'd frankly just spine up and say this is how we roll, if your client doesn't like it, there's always another client. Either you run your business or let your client run your business. The ADA prohibits discriminatory acts. When something becomes universal and includes all classes whether protected or not, it then falls outside of the protections provided by the act. They planned this one out very well. I cannot sue my clients, absolute kiss of death. I am concerned that some of my staff may file against me, some of this can break the corporate protection and fall on me personally. I am not a lawyer, but let's just say I am very well versed in the law. "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money"-- Thomas Sowell The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing! |
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(OP) User ID: 80692338 United States 08/04/2021 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just send those clients and memo saying that the vaccination issue has been properly addressed in your organization. Quoting: Butch DeFeo And see what happens. Don't drop them as a client, just let them stop placing orders. Exactly what my partner said! He took it a step further and said let's just make up the form for everyone...I will not open up that nix though. "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money"-- Thomas Sowell The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77576249 United States 08/04/2021 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] Quoting: The Saltey [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] [imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)] |