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Trust the “CoV Science,” right?!? So, what precisely is that science, and who are the scientists?

 
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Trust the “CoV Science,” right?!? So, what precisely is that science, and who are the scientists?
So, I got into an argument with a friend of mine the other day.

My friend has swallowed the mainstream narrative, gotten the jabs (with no ill effect thank goodness; however, I suspect that he is one of the many unwitting “control group” subjects), and his entire argument over why he took the jab is that the “science was all but settled” over this vaccine’s efficacy because of the “thousands of doctors and scientists” stating same.

In effect, a herd mentality that so many seem to have these days, even when they can also acknowledge that much of the media and info they see on other subject matter coming from the same so-called purveyors of “fact and truth” is bullshit. Amazing what (manufactured) fear will do to one’s critical thinking skills, but here we are.

Anyway, as a result I thought I might start collecting info on the growing list of credentialed scientists that refute the current narrative so I could be better armed to cite them and their positions when we get into that next argument. To be fair, however, I also want to know which similarly credentialed scientists are behind the current narrative, so thought I would start a thread.

I know that there are at least a handful of folks here like my friend, so ask that you contribute if you can - understanding, of course, that any personal attacks to discredit any scientist cited (without merit) on either side are immediate suspect propaganda that will be ignored.

In short, I’m hoping to aggregate a list of scientists and/or true experts on both sides of this argument, hopefully with a link or two pointing to who precisely they are (and why they are truly qualified to hold a substantive opinion) and hopefully a quick summary of the arguments they make to support their position.

Personally discrediting Hit pieces made by disingenuous authors without real credentials beyond being a so-called “science editor” or some such will be deleted/ignored; however, if someone has verifiable info or evidence that might help illuminate potential bias, please share. That is equally important to this effort.
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Re: Trust the “CoV Science,” right?!? So, what precisely is that science, and who are the scientists?
Many of the scientists that are “against” the narrative are cited here. Those for, not so much. So, if you post, please state “For” or “Against” at the start.

I will begin.

Against:

Dr. Roger Hodkinson - CEO of multiple labs in Canada and the US. Expert pathologist, with over 30 years in the field. Highly credentialed.

[link to westernmedical.ca (secure)]

Dr. John Iaonnidis. Stanford - considered by many the grandfather of evidence based science and one of the 10 most cited epidemiologists in the world.

[link to covidcalltohumanity.org (secure)]

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi - expert in microbiology - one of the most cited German microbiologists is German history.

[link to www.collective-evolution.com (secure)]

Dr Michael Yeadon - former VP and Chief Science Officer of Pfizer.

[link to z3news.com (secure)]

Dr Geert Vanden Bossche - credentialed German virologist and former vaccine R&D specialist for many notable vaccine companies. Formerly worked with Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Several of his comments to discredit or challenge Bhakdi’s positions, however, are suspect. Mike Yeadon (in the above interview) actually thinks he might be deployed as an intentional misinformation agent to help discredit the truth sayers.

[link to www.geertvandenbossche.org (secure)]

Last Edited by SaveUSa on 07/31/2021 10:18 AM
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Re: Trust the “CoV Science,” right?!? So, what precisely is that science, and who are the scientists?
Dr. David Katzenstein - Noted Stanford Virologist and expert HIV/AIDS researcher. Can’t say (yet) whether he would have been “for” or “against” the narrative, because he “died of CoVid” on January 25, 2021. That said, some of his commentary in a 2008 interview regarding HIV tells me that he might have been against (or could have been one of those good hearted folks that simply knew too much).

[link to medicine.stanford.edu (secure)]

[link to med.stanford.edu (secure)]
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“Against” (but still trying to be objective)

Peter Doshi - [link to www.bmj.com (secure)]

[link to www.bmj.com (secure)] - excellent article with many citations relating to natural immunity.
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