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AZ Senate President Fann: "We do not have the constitutional authority to recall the electors. We will turn it over to congress."

 
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Local yokels running that account are lying.

What was said is as follows: "74,000 where we have them came back from individuals where we don’t have a clear indication that they were ever sent out to them."
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Fraud should obviate the electors, if AZ has the law saying electors must follow the popular vote.

If not, then electors are free to vote as they will, and nothing can happen.
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Red alert 🚨

Election was over 8 months ago. Meaning it is over.

Trump lost. Fairly or unfairly, he lost.
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2nd A no Other Way
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77759082


Local yokels running that account are lying.

What was said is as follows: "74,000 where we have them came back from individuals where we don’t have a clear indication that they were ever sent out to them."
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Try some facts instead of fake news.

FACT FOCUS: A false narrative of 74K extra votes in Arizona


CLAIM: Arizona’s largest county in the 2020 election received and counted 74,000 mail-in ballots that had no record of ever being sent out to voters.

THE FACTS: False. The claim mischaracterizes reports that are intended to help political parties track early voters for their get-out-the-vote efforts, not tally mail-in ballots through Election Day. The reports don’t represent all mail-in ballots sent out and received, so the numbers aren’t expected to match up, according to Maricopa County officials and outside experts.

“We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent,” Logan said at a meeting livestreamed at Arizona’s Capitol on Thursday. “That could be something where documentation wasn’t done right. There’s a clerical issue. There’s not proper things there, but I think when we’ve got 74,000, it merits knocking on a door and validating some of this information.”

Logan based his false claim on two types of early voting reports issued by Maricopa County: EV32 files and EV33 files. He claimed that EV32 files are “supposed to give a record of when a mail-in ballot is sent” and EV33 files are “supposed to give a record of when the mail-in ballot is received.”

That’s not accurate, according to Maricopa County officials, who tweeted on Friday that “the EV32 Returns & EV33 files are not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received.”

Instead, the EV32 and EV33 files are reports created for political parties to aid them in their get-out-the-vote efforts during early voting, according to Tammy Patrick, a senior adviser at the Democracy Fund and a former Maricopa County elections official. Arizona law requires county recorders to provide this data to political parties and candidates, Patrick said.

Arizona reports both mail-in ballots and early in-person votes at voting centers as early votes, so both are included in the data in files EV32 and EV33, Patrick said.

The EV32 file includes all requests that voters make for early ballots, either by mail or in person, up to 11 days before Election Day, Patrick said. The EV33 file includes returned early ballots up to the Monday before Election Day.

That means there is a 10-day period between the final day of each report, during which thousands of mail-in votes are submitted and thousands of additional voters go to voting centers, request early ballots in person and submit them. Furthermore, the files don’t include any early ballots that came in on Election Day.

“To use these files as an attempt to understand the number of voters who were mailed a ballot or who returned a ballot is misguided,” Patrick said. “That information is obtained from the Voted File, not a GOTV tool for the political parties and candidates.” “GOTV” is short for “get out the vote.”

Maricopa County officials tweeted later Friday that they calculated the true number of mail-in ballots requested and returned in November’s election. According to that count, nearly 450,000 more mail-in ballots were requested than returned.

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This is a fourth turning event.

Negating Biden's Presidency has never been the issue. Negating Biden's legitimacy has been.

1. Ossoff in Georgia is going to be recalled as Senator, rending the Democrats powerless.
2. 2022-2024 are going to be huge Red Waves.
3. Joe Biden will be known as a fraud President. He will have no moral authority outside the military zone in DC and NY/LA/SF/Chi.

- See the meaning of 'beyond the pale'

4. The Democrat Party is about to be destroyed as a National Political pary. It will be 30 years before they can realistically win the Presidency again.
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Completely backwards.

The dims are running circles around the rinos.

And making it look easy. Lmao
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Is loss of just Arizine electors enough to reduce Biden’s total below the threshold?
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No. The electors of at least two more states need to be overturned, but they'll tell you that Arizona is just the first domino.
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What domino?

The Cyber Ninjas "audit" hadn't produced jack shit after three months of trying and it's crumbling as we watch. Even Fann wants to get far away from the shit show she started.

Why kind of fantasy land do you live in?
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Cyber Ninjas and Fann tried to keep everything covered up and secret.

They just lost.


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Earlier Thursday, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Michael Kemp rejected claims by Fann that documents in the hands of Cyber Ninjas, including who is financing the review, are not public records and need not be disclosed. Kemp rejected arguments that only documents in the Senate’s actual possession are subject to the state’s public records law.

“Nothing in the statute absolves Senate defendants’ responsibilities to keep and maintain records for authorities supported by public monies by merely retaining a third-party contractor who in turns hires subvendors,’’ Kemp wrote. He noted that Fann herself made statements that the audit is a public function.

Allowing those documents to now be shielded, the judge said, “would be an absurd result and undermine Arizona’s strong public policy in favor of permitting access to records reflecting governmental activity.’’

Significantly, the information the judge said should be released to the public includes who is financing the audit. The $150,000 the Senate agreed to pay Cyber Ninjas “appears to be far short of paying the full cost,’’ Kemp said.

“The public does not know who is financing the remaining costs,’’ the judge wrote.

“It is difficult to conceive of a case with a more compelling public interest demanding public disclosure and public scrutiny,’’ the judge wrote.
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Now why do you think Fann and Cyber Ninjas wanted to keep all their "audit" and financing records secret?

1dunno1
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[crickets]
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Seems the fraudit has delivered nothing and it's starting to backfire


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That's exactly why Fann wants out.
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Fraud should obviate the electors, if AZ has the law saying electors must follow the popular vote.

If not, then electors are free to vote as they will, and nothing can happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Red alert 🚨

Election was over 8 months ago. Meaning it is over.

Trump lost. Fairly or unfairly, he lost.
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But there's still lots of money to be made by dragging this on and on and on and...
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Of course they can recall their own electors. This has nothing to do with Congress. She's just trying to RIG THE ELECTION AGAIN.
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Seems the fraudit has delivered nothing and it's starting to backfire


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That's exactly why Fann wants out.
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Martha McSally is just another RINO asshole anyway. She didn't even challenge Sinema as she should have. The usual McCain/Flake asshole the GOP always tries to send to DC.
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This is where the military steps in and honor the OATH!
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You mean the transgender brigade?
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Fraud should obviate the electors, if AZ has the law saying electors must follow the popular vote.

If not, then electors are free to vote as they will, and nothing can happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Red alert 🚨

Election was over 8 months ago. Meaning it is over.

Trump lost. Fairly or unfairly, he lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73414918


But there's still lots of money to be made by dragging this on and on and on and...
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the wheels are turning... tic-tock, tic-tock
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A little story about who —besides Arizona taxpayers— is really paying the bills to keep the Stop the Steal and "audit nonsense going. It’s all a grift.

They took a $75,000 second mortgage out on their home and donated it to Trump's "Stop the Steal" scam.


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And they lost their house. For God Emperor Trump.

Sad
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Ring the phone and slam the email accounts and twatter accounts...till the cows come home...

they can recall this...but they are kicking the can down the road...

scream...yell and use that phone you cling to so desperately for everything else...

of ya...nothing will happen.t
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So many stupid comments fraud vitiates or negates the whole process
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Chillout folks. Trump will be reinstalled and given 42 months to continue. The coronavirus is mutating, spreading and will become deadlier. He will mandate the vaccine that No man shall buy or sell without it. Just watch how this plays out over the next 30 or so days.

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So many stupid comments fraud vitiates or negates the whole process
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That Cyber Ninjas "audit" is crumbling while sucking in loads of money.

There's your fraud.
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Chillout folks. Trump will be reinstalled and given 42 months to continue. The corona virus is mutating, spreading and will become deadlier. He will mandate the vaccine that No man shall buy or sell without it. Just watch out this place out over the next 30 or so days.
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I'd say in about two weeks.
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Chillout folks. Trump will be reinstalled and given 42 months to continue. The corona virus is mutating, spreading and will become deadlier. He will mandate the vaccine that No man shall buy or sell without it. Just watch out this place out over the next 30 or so days.
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I'd say in about two weeks.
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The GOP is useless. They need to be gotten rid of.
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This is possibly the most important story in American History. Even with criminal fraud proven, the Republicans will do nothing to correct the damages, but instead will continue playing the same game by the same rules hoping that the criminals won't cheat next time.

Folks, it's over.
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Their not playing the game with the same rules.

They are the game along with Dems, media, antifa, blm.

(shocked) not at all.
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Chillout folks. Trump will be reinstalled and given 42 months to continue. The corona virus is mutating, spreading and will become deadlier. He will mandate the vaccine that No man shall buy or sell without it. Just watch out this place out over the next 30 or so days.
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I'd say in about two weeks.
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YOU ARE ON POINT!!!! - People just don't know but Trump is fixing to do a 180 on them. Rev 13 is gonna be fulfilled this year!
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This whole Arizona audit thing is totally falling apart. No wonder the Arizona Senate President, who is responsible for the whole sham, is backstroking


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This whole Cyber Ninjas thing is becoming such a clown show.
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So many stupid comments fraud vitiates or negates the whole process
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Agreed. But I think a lot of people are trying to figure out what levers and cranks We the People are supposed to be pushing.

Flynn and his entourage seem pretty confident about the direction things are going.

A little disappointing to see the AZ senate chick basically just throw her hands up, "Well, if he find fraud, that's it. We as a senate body -> punt the ball to other entities."

I'm thinking the Lindell cyber symposium can bring in EO 13848 since it is a national security issue.
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The GOP is useless. They need to be gotten rid of.
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Americans are turning to Right Wing Conservatism in droves.
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“Fraud vitiates.” That’s not an explanation for anything. So, you discover fraud. What are you going to do about it?
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Arizona AG file criminal charges against the perps. Let them have their day in court. Treason holds a high punishment, if convicted. That’s why you see Katie Hobbs in full panic mode now. She knows she will be imprisioned very soon.
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That's super and all, but how do we address the unelected president who opened the border, destroyed our energy independence, dismantled our military, lifted sanctions on our enemies, gave Afghanistan back to the taliban along with several armories worth of weaponry, and invited the UN in to undermine our sovereignty?

At this rate, we won't survive until 2024. But even if we did survive, with no mechanism to correct fraud, it will happen every time. This is our LAST chance to save the country from tyranny.
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Constitutional crisis. The country has never been here before. I guess we find out how we deal with it then.
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Re: AZ Senate President Fann: "We do not have the constitutional authority to recall the electors. We will turn it over to congress."
Every state has the authority to recall electors this lady is either bought and paid for or a complete idiot.It was set up this way so to prevent fraud such as this.
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100% Correct. I really do hope the people of Arizona will rise to this occasion and push people like her out of the way, and get her out of office and then proceed with the state-given rights, to recall their electors.
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