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Look at UK and Israel for a leading indicator on Delta

 
chrion777

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Look at UK and Israel for a leading indicator on Delta
[link to www.worldometers.info (secure)]

Last time that new cases were at 43k/day deaths was Dec 23rd, 2020 and deaths were 505/day. Now deaths are around 30/day. It is diverging by a factor of 16.8.

You can also correlate on 'active infections' and it takes you back to Nov 5; and also shows a divergence of ~8 times.

Clearly this means that cases are on the rise but deaths are way down. Even more pronounced in Israel where vaccination rate is higher.

We can conclude that Delta virus is a risk to the unvaccinated. It is also a risk to the very small percentage of unvaccinated who will get serious outcome.

We can also conclude that Astrozenica seems to be less effective then Pfizer and Moderna in preventing mild illness and transmission. (based on UK vs Israel data)

In general wave 3 should NOT drive serous hospitalization and death like Wave 1, Wave 2a and Wave 2b. Wave 3s are always expected and should be smaller then wave 1 and wave 2. Note that in the 1918 pandemic San Francisco took the social distancing very serious.

They were the only ones to fare well in the first 2 waves but got hit harder in wave 3 because people thought it was over.

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Re: Look at UK and Israel for a leading indicator on Delta
[link to www.worldometers.info (secure)]

Last time that new cases were at 43k/day deaths was Dec 23rd, 2020 and deaths were 505/day. Now deaths are around 30/day. It is diverging by a factor of 16.8.

You can also correlate on 'active infections' and it takes you back to Nov 5; and also shows a divergence of ~8 times.

Clearly this means that cases are on the rise but deaths are way down. Even more pronounced in Israel where vaccination rate is higher.

We can conclude that Delta virus is a risk to the unvaccinated. It is also a risk to the very small percentage of unvaccinated who will get serious outcome.

We can also conclude that Astrozenica seems to be less effective then Pfizer and Moderna in preventing mild illness and transmission. (based on UK vs Israel data)

In general wave 3 should NOT drive serous hospitalization and death like Wave 1, Wave 2a and Wave 2b. Wave 3s are always expected and should be smaller then wave 1 and wave 2. Note that in the 1918 pandemic San Francisco took the social distancing very serious.

They were the only ones to fare well in the first 2 waves but got hit harder in wave 3 because people thought it was over.
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Re: Look at UK and Israel for a leading indicator on Delta

"Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee - 10/22/2020"

this was live streamed! they forgot to censor it!

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The following list of jab side effects appearsed for a split second at 2:33:40 in this video. The video was an FDA presentation on October 22, 2020

It appears for a split second.
It was scrolled through and not presented properly. During that split second, this screen, which shows the adverse effects of the jab that they KNEW OF in October 2020, before they even allowed it to be used. Knowing this, they then proceeded to allow it to be used. Technically they can say they showed everyone this because in their book a split second counts.
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Re: Look at UK and Israel for a leading indicator on Delta

"Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee - 10/22/2020"

this was live streamed! they forgot to censor it!

https://imgur.com/a/QyEtkHN


The following list of jab side effects appearsed for a split second at 2:33:40 in this video. The video was an FDA presentation on October 22, 2020

It appears for a split second.
It was scrolled through and not presented properly. During that split second, this screen, which shows the adverse effects of the jab that they KNEW OF in October 2020, before they even allowed it to be used. Knowing this, they then proceeded to allow it to be used. Technically they can say they showed everyone this because in their book a split second counts.
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Yes I know about all the side effects and risks; I'm asking explicitly about Delta variant since we are beginning and about to be inundated with news about Delta Variant.

Personally I believe the data today does not even support that Delta is going to create significant outcomes in heavily vaccinated areas. Low vax <50% may have a greater problem during the come wave 3 in the fall but not as big as wave 1, wave2a/wave2b.





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