RAND Corporation and USC Study. . . . Shelter in Place orders DID NOT SAVE LIVES in "pandemic" | |
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beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Crypto, me too. found it last night and knew it was important Last Edited by beeches on 07/04/2021 10:59 AM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Jungleboogie
User ID: 76648271 Canada 07/04/2021 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Just like the superdome after Hurricane Katrina. Cost more lives than it saved. Embrace the cognitive dissonance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80535261 United States 07/04/2021 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Basic, common sense tells you that it does work. The problem I see with the argument posed is that no SIP orders were ever fully recognized except in China, and they got their outbreak under control in, what, a month? It's silly to try and argue that avoiding other people won't keep people from dying from COVID. Just silly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77952124 United States 07/04/2021 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. 5 star thread club |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Basic, common sense tells you that it does work. The problem I see with the argument posed is that no SIP orders were ever fully recognized except in China, and they got their outbreak under control in, what, a month? It's silly to try and argue that avoiding other people won't keep people from dying from COVID. Just silly. beyond silly to trust Chinese news..... Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Basic, common sense tells you that it does work. The problem I see with the argument posed is that no SIP orders were ever fully recognized except in China, and they got their outbreak under control in, what, a month? It's silly to try and argue that avoiding other people won't keep people from dying from COVID. Just silly. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78310900 United States 07/04/2021 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's because they could never keep anyone home indefinitely. We are a society and many people continued to work. They caught it, gave it to their families, their families gave it to their friends and so on and so forth. I took a poll at work one day a couple of weeks back. About 70% of the people had caught it, most had very mild cases, a few were quite sick, but none were hospitalized. Let's face it, that kind of numbers wouldn't have happened if the masks and sanitizing actually worked. It is predominantly spread inside buildings among people who spend several minutes or more together. It was rarely spread outside. Quoting: GA Girl this is what we are told about colds and flu too... that they don't have much to do with colder outdoor temps, except that those temps force people to stay indoors together more. All those videos of people wandering around alone in the parks with masks on, gardening in their yards with masks on, riding bikes with masks on...it really makes you wonder about the collective stupidity of people that they would fall for that BS. I mean, do they think COVID is hiding around every tree just waiting to pounce on them? The only thing dumber are the cities that required police to arrest people out-of-doors who didn't have masks on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80377409 United States 07/04/2021 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can't believe the randy RAND folks came up with this. Quoting: beeches Could it be a sly promotion of the kill shot? :KoolAidShot: Exactly! My daughter got her undergraduate degree at USC and worked for Rand for a few years. I am not sure what she did--I think it was calling people and doing surveys. I never liked them! |
fiora.ni
User ID: 78314149 United States 07/04/2021 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Quoting: Trained Noticer Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? Actually I was told that in Europe they do have spit tests for covid Current state of affairs: "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Russian warship, go f#ck yourself! Say with me: Palianytsia :) |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can't believe the randy RAND folks came up with this. Quoting: beeches Could it be a sly promotion of the kill shot? Exactly! My daughter got her undergraduate degree at USC and worked for Rand for a few years. I am not sure what she did--I think it was calling people and doing surveys. I never liked them! we have similar 'noses' for this kind of thing I think - whatever you sensed, you were right. My daughter considered working for the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). Not sure if they tapped her or if she was looking at them. I said uhm, NOT. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Quoting: Trained Noticer Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? Actually I was told that in Europe they do have spit tests for covid they may that just makes it all the more questionable to pierce the blood-brain barrier. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Quoting: Trained Noticer Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? Actually I was told that in Europe they do have spit tests for covid In any case, it is just "submission to invasive tyranny" training. They can find the over multiplied RNA stray fragment on fruit, goats, anything. Based on their claims of contagiousness, they should be able to take a tiny air sample within 6 feet of you and find COVID if you have it. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by Trained Noticer on 07/04/2021 12:37 PM For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
ondrunn
User ID: 78318396 United States 07/04/2021 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Was never intended to "save lives" |
Paranoiaaaaa
User ID: 80551606 United States 07/04/2021 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Quoting: Trained Noticer Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? Actually I was told that in Europe they do have spit tests for covid I have to have surgery pretty soon & I hate that I'm going to have to be tested first. I'm more afraid of them shoving that Qtip up my nose than the surgery!! "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." - Fox Mulder - The X-Files "Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans." - John Lennon |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Was never intended to "save lives" ahh but that was the cover story... take the burden off hospitals, so they can grow alfalfa hay? no, so they could "save lives" you were too smart to fall for it too Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Quoting: Trained Noticer Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? Actually I was told that in Europe they do have spit tests for covid I have to have surgery pretty soon & I hate that I'm going to have to be tested first. I'm more afraid of them shoving that Qtip up my nose than the surgery!! with you on that.... maybe there is another way - Hope the surgery goes smoothly for you! Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Paranoiaaaaa
User ID: 80551606 United States 07/04/2021 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Quoting: Trained Noticer Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? Actually I was told that in Europe they do have spit tests for covid I have to have surgery pretty soon & I hate that I'm going to have to be tested first. I'm more afraid of them shoving that Qtip up my nose than the surgery!! with you on that.... maybe there is another way - Hope the surgery goes smoothly for you! Thanks, I'm sure I will be fine. The test doesn't make any sense. If it's sooo contagious, they should be able to swab right inside the nose or mouth. It's all bullshit! "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." - Fox Mulder - The X-Files "Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans." - John Lennon |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to have surgery pretty soon & I hate that I'm going to have to be tested first. I'm more afraid of them shoving that Qtip up my nose than the surgery!! with you on that.... maybe there is another way - Hope the surgery goes smoothly for you! Thanks, I'm sure I will be fine. The test doesn't make any sense. If it's sooo contagious, they should be able to swab right inside the nose or mouth. It's all bullshit! it truly is in all my time in hospitals, nursing homes, and a school program for severely handicapped students, I only ONCE saw a patient who needed her cerebrospinal fluid tested using the nasal route (not a spinal tap) she was sitting at a table, very sleepy, and I noticed something dripping out of her nose, but she had no cold or flu symptoms. they told me to hold a test tube under her nose... did it and got enough fluid to be tested. This was odd enough that I was told to hand-deliver it to the lab. Was at a major hospital. her brain fluid was leaking out of her nose.. poor woman. Last Edited by beeches on 07/04/2021 01:13 PM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Jungleboogie
User ID: 76648271 Canada 07/04/2021 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Basic, common sense tells you that it does work. The problem I see with the argument posed is that no SIP orders were ever fully recognized except in China, and they got their outbreak under control in, what, a month? It's silly to try and argue that avoiding other people won't keep people from dying from COVID. Just silly. Let me add the refutation, Common sense tells you that it DOESN'T work. Covid is still here, and it's obviously seasonal and acts just like the common flu in that respect. Embrace the cognitive dissonance. |
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User ID: 78996107 United States 07/04/2021 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What sucks is it probably does work to slow an infection down . THEY LIED. About the amount of deaths and infected the PCR test has a 90-97 percent false positive ! So if and when a real issue happens all the data from Covid is horse shix Quoting: BLUENOTEBILLY less than that even my stuff is useful for composting. untying the shoelaces of the internet one post at a time love tastes best from teal buckets go GIT in your STALL! a Spark does not fall far from the Torchie |
AussieOzzy
User ID: 78039412 Australia 07/04/2021 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Guess they didn’t include Australia. We’ve only had around 900 deaths. |
Jungleboogie
User ID: 76648271 Canada 07/04/2021 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Guess they didn’t include Australia. We’ve only had around 900 deaths. 900 died, you said so yourself. So didn't work. Embrace the cognitive dissonance. |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Guess they didn’t include Australia. We’ve only had around 900 deaths. 900 died, you said so yourself. So didn't work. thanks, JB. Also, no one can trust the reported number of cases... since no one can trust the "test" results. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.washingtontimes.com (secure)] Quoting: beeches A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas. Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies. In short, the orders didn’t work. Guess they didn’t include Australia. We’ve only had around 900 deaths. 900 died, you said so yourself. So didn't work. thanks, JB. Also, no one can trust the reported number of cases... since no one can trust the "test" results. "Cases" are horse shit because the "tests" are horse shit making their "Covid" scam total horse shit. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |