RAND Corporation and USC Study. . . . Shelter in Place orders DID NOT SAVE LIVES in "pandemic" | |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 06:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from link: “We fail to find that SIP policies saved lives. To the contrary, we find a positive association between SIP policies and excess deaths. We find that following the implementation of SIP policies, excess mortality increases,” the researchers said in a working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). The increase was statistically significant in other countries in the weeks following the imposition of shelter-in-place orders. In the U.S., excess deaths rose in the weeks following the order before subsiding 20 weeks later under the orders. The findings undercut blue states that relied on stay-at-home methods as the treatment of choice throughout the pandemic, while providing a measure of vindication for GOP leaders who said they were harmful and that constituents could protect themselves. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Researchers counted all excess deaths to avoid a messy debate over what constituted a COVID-19 death. They pointed to reported upticks in deaths of despair — including drug overdoses, homicides, and unintentional injuries in 2020 — and delays in diagnosing other health conditions as part of the reason the orders fell flat. “There’s little evidence these policies saved lives and there is some evidence they led to an increase in deaths of despair,” Neeraj Sood, a study author and USC professor, told The Washington Times. Counting all deaths is vital to show the unintended - or maybe intentional? - deaths from other causes during what I call The Covid Event. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can't believe the randy RAND folks came up with this. Quoting: beeches Could it be a sly promotion of the kill shot? This HAS to be it. The RAND Corp. is evil and globalist to it's very core. ALWAYS a wicked hidden agenda. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pin thanks! is this also a way of getting at President Trump, and supporting JoeBlow's dictums about the need to get the shot? "vaccines" are the only occassion liberals use to take the word "shot" into their speech in a good way. "she's a really great shot. Good to have her around if the SHTF..." - that will NEVER be heard from a liberal's mouth Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A bit of background on the RAND Corp.: ..."RAND’s ultimate goal was to have technocrats running every aspect of society in pursuit of a one world government that would be administered under “the rule of reason,” a ruthless world where efficiency was king and men were little more than machines, which is why RAND studied the social sciences because they were at a loss to work out how to deal with people and how human beings did not always act in their own predictable self-interests. There is no place for love, empathy or selflessness in the n ew world order that RAND and the Ford Foundation are working to create, and patriotism and altruism are adversarial to their aims."... [link to truth11.com (secure)] For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So those lockdowns didn't help the people, huh? For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Next, they'll have a study that "Social Distancing" didn't help. Nor did masks. The only thing that can save the world is their "vaccine". Everyone MUST take it! For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | like putting a highway through your apple orchard and end up approving the "more limited" version of the highway, which is the one they wanted all along..... Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rand is the father of the Delphi process, where you go to ask skeptical questions about some proposal Quoting: beeches like putting a highway through your apple orchard and end up approving the "more limited" version of the highway, which is the one they wanted all along..... Everyone should understand the Delphi process, and how to deal with it... ..."Generally, you will find that there is already someone designated to lead or “facilitate” the meeting. Supposedly, the job of the facilitator is to be a neutral, non-directing helper to see that the meeting flows smoothly. Actually, he or she is there for exactly the opposite reason: to see that the conclusions reached during the meeting are in accord with a plan already decided upon by those who called the meeting."... [link to vlrc.org] another good article about it: [link to www.conspiracynopecom (secure)] Last Edited by Trained Noticer on 07/04/2021 09:57 AM For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
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Steak n Cheese User ID: 80564627 United States 07/04/2021 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rand is a part of the Zio Mafia who contrived this whole, tear down the statues, cancel culture, fake virus, to give the appearance to the Tards that they took down Q Trump who is working for the Zio Mafia L 0 L... |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rand is a part of the Zio Mafia who contrived this whole, tear down the statues, cancel culture, fake virus, to give the appearance to the Tards that they took down Q Trump who is working for the Zio Mafia L 0 L... Quoting: Steak n Cheese 80564627 Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78310900 United States 07/04/2021 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's because they could never keep anyone home indefinitely. We are a society and many people continued to work. They caught it, gave it to their families, their families gave it to their friends and so on and so forth. I took a poll at work one day a couple of weeks back. About 70% of the people had caught it, most had very mild cases, a few were quite sick, but none were hospitalized. Let's face it, that kind of numbers wouldn't have happened if the masks and sanitizing actually worked. It is predominantly spread inside buildings among people who spend several minutes or more together. It was rarely spread outside. |
Louis in Richmond
That is my arm now; broken for 7 months User ID: 74688504 United States 07/04/2021 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They only want most of us to die. Note the name between the eye and the pallbearers. Last Edited by Louis in Richmond on 07/04/2021 10:09 AM Until your military service has required you neutralize enemy combatants and invaders in the defense of your country, don't presume to tell us that have defended you that you don't support every shot we fired to eliminate that enemy. |
HYpEr7l9Er
User ID: 75756457 Canada 07/04/2021 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course the access deaths rose up once the shelter in place orders were imposed. It happens every time. The excess deaths are an effect of the cause not the cause of the effect. most of the shelter in place orders came into effect after the situation was out of control. in all the jurisdictions around the world where the populations were more obedient the cases of covid19 were very low to non existent. there was shelter in place orders at my location along with all the other measures and most people at the start during the first wave followed them significantly and the cases vanished in less then a month. Most of the restrictions were lifted and kids went back to school and then cases exploded up like a rocket and all the restrictions were reimplemented. but people were less obedient and it took longer for cases to drop but then did and then when people saw this they demanded restrictions to be lifted and they were and and an even bigger spike up than the previous one happened and restrictions were reimplemented again. It is like installing a burglar alarm after you are broken into. Why did the RAND people release the report? They will take heat for it. But any of you that think it is a bullet proof vest and utilize it to avoid being shot will find out it is tissue paper. Last Edited by HYpEr7l93r on 07/04/2021 10:20 AM MlCHAEL |
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User ID: 53170913 United States 07/04/2021 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | stop liberal propoganda |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course the access deaths rose up once the shelter in place orders were imposed. Quoting: HYpEr7l9Er It happens every time. The excess deaths are an effect of the cause not the cause of the effect. most of the shelter in place orders came into effect after the situation was out of control. in all the jurisdictions around the world where the populations were more obedient the cases of covid19 were very low to non existent. there was shelter in place orders at my location along with all the other measures and most people at the start during the first wave followed them significantly and the cases vanished in less then a month. Most of the restrictions were lifted and kids went back to school and then cases exploded up like a rocket and all the restrictions were reimplemented. but people were less obedient and it took longer for cases to drop but then did and then when people saw this they demanded restrictions to be lifted and they were and and an even bigger spike up than the previous one happened and restrictions were reimplemented again. It is like installing a burglar alarm after you are broken into. Why did the RAND people release the report? They will take heat for it. But any of you that think it is a bullet proof vest and utilize it to avoid being shot will find out it is tissue paper. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
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(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's because they could never keep anyone home indefinitely. We are a society and many people continued to work. They caught it, gave it to their families, their families gave it to their friends and so on and so forth. I took a poll at work one day a couple of weeks back. About 70% of the people had caught it, most had very mild cases, a few were quite sick, but none were hospitalized. Let's face it, that kind of numbers wouldn't have happened if the masks and sanitizing actually worked. It is predominantly spread inside buildings among people who spend several minutes or more together. It was rarely spread outside. Quoting: GA Girl this is what we are told about colds and flu too... that they don't have much to do with colder outdoor temps, except that those temps force people to stay indoors together more. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 80558422 United States 07/04/2021 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I asked a family member (high up in Healthcare): Q: Why did the flu #s drop to 0? A: Because of the masks, hand washing and distancing. Q: But why did the Covid #s replace the flu #s? A: Because Covid is highly contagious. Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample? Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it? A: I don't want to talk about it. You'll find a problem with everything. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 78973486 United States 07/04/2021 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | never heard of a cold or flu or easily spreadable virus that you had to poke a person's brain to find. never heard of one that did not promote coughing, snotting, and sneezing at some point in its course. never heard of a pandemic without huge losses all around you never heard of a really bad outbreak that didn't either kill too fast to truly spread - like Marburg fever or Ebola - or become weaker as it became endemic. this whole business is NOT medical. It's political. Last Edited by beeches on 07/04/2021 10:55 AM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Chaz Aldrin
User ID: 79782816 United States 07/04/2021 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Shelter in place a WOKE Term for Marsh Laaa I.E Get in the house so we can find you when we are ready to jack Boot you. Of course those who live in rural areas are much less effected. Life is all about choices |