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RAND Corporation and USC Study. . . . Shelter in Place orders DID NOT SAVE LIVES in "pandemic"

 
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A little-noticed study says government orders to “shelter in place” during the COVID-19 fight did not save lives and spurred an uptick in excess deaths in some places, especially overseas.

Researchers from the RAND Corporation and the University of Southern California studied excess mortality from all causes, the virus or otherwise, in 43 countries and the 50 U.S. states that imposed shelter-in-place, or “SIP,” policies.

In short, the orders didn’t work.


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from link:


“We fail to find that SIP policies saved lives. To the contrary, we find a positive association between SIP policies and excess deaths. We find that following the implementation of SIP policies, excess mortality increases,” the researchers said in a working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER).

The increase was statistically significant in other countries in the weeks following the imposition of shelter-in-place orders. In the U.S., excess deaths rose in the weeks following the order before subsiding 20 weeks later under the orders.

The findings undercut blue states that relied on stay-at-home methods as the treatment of choice throughout the pandemic, while providing a measure of vindication for GOP leaders who said they were harmful and that constituents could protect themselves.

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can't believe the randy RAND folks came up with this.

Could it be a sly promotion of the kill shot?


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Researchers counted all excess deaths to avoid a messy debate over what constituted a COVID-19 death. They pointed to reported upticks in deaths of despair — including drug overdoses, homicides, and unintentional injuries in 2020 — and delays in diagnosing other health conditions as part of the reason the orders fell flat.

“There’s little evidence these policies saved lives and there is some evidence they led to an increase in deaths of despair,” Neeraj Sood, a study author and USC professor, told The Washington Times.


Counting all deaths is vital to show the unintended - or maybe intentional? - deaths from other causes during what I call

The Covid Event.
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Killshot push for sure

even zoo animals getting it....
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can't believe the randy RAND folks came up with this.

Could it be a sly promotion of the kill shot?


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This HAS to be it.

The RAND Corp. is evil and globalist to it's very core.

ALWAYS a wicked hidden agenda.

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Pin thanks!


is this also a way of getting at President Trump, and supporting JoeBlow's dictums about the need to get the shot?


"vaccines" are the only occassion liberals use to take the word "shot" into their speech in a good way.


"she's a really great shot. Good to have her around if the SHTF..."

- that will NEVER be heard from a liberal's mouth
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A bit of background on the RAND Corp.:


..."RAND’s ultimate goal was to have technocrats running
every aspect of society in pursuit of a one world government
that would be administered under “the rule of reason,” a
ruthless world where efficiency was king and men were little
more than machines, which is why RAND studied the social
sciences because they were at a loss to work out how to deal
with people and how human beings did not always act in their
own predictable self-interests.
There is no place for love, empathy or selflessness in the n
ew world order that RAND and the Ford Foundation are working
to create, and patriotism and altruism are adversarial to
their aims."...


[link to truth11.com (secure)]

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So those lockdowns didn't help the people, huh?

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Next, they'll have a study that "Social Distancing" didn't help.

Nor did masks.

The only thing that can save the world is their "vaccine".

Everyone MUST take it!

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Rand is the father of the Delphi process, where you go to ask skeptical questions about some proposal

like putting a highway through your apple orchard



and end up approving the "more limited" version of the highway, which is the one they wanted all along.....






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Rand is the father of the Delphi process, where you go to ask skeptical questions about some proposal

like putting a highway through your apple orchard



and end up approving the "more limited" version of the highway, which is the one they wanted all along.....






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Everyone should understand the Delphi process,
and how to deal with it...

..."Generally, you will find that there is already someone
designated to lead or “facilitate” the meeting.

Supposedly, the job of the facilitator is to be a neutral,
non-directing helper to see that the meeting flows smoothly.

Actually, he or she is there for exactly the opposite
reason: to see that the conclusions reached during the
meeting are in accord with a plan already decided upon by
those who called the meeting."...


[link to vlrc.org]

another good article about it:

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Killshot push for sure

even zoo animals getting it....
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Right. This is so sad.
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Killshot push for sure

even zoo animals getting it....
 Quoting: beeches


Right. This is so sad.
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let's kill Noah and his family, but also the animals they sheltered......
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Rand is a part of the Zio Mafia who contrived this whole, tear down the statues, cancel culture, fake virus, to give the appearance to the Tards that they took down Q Trump who is working for the Zio Mafia L 0 L...
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Rand is a part of the Zio Mafia who contrived this whole, tear down the statues, cancel culture, fake virus, to give the appearance to the Tards that they took down Q Trump who is working for the Zio Mafia L 0 L...
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can't believe the randy RAND folks came up with this.

Could it be a sly promotion of the kill shot?
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I'd have considered that a bit paranoid or overly cynical in the past. But in 2021?

Today's paranoia and cynicism are tomorrow's reality and intuitiveness.
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That's because they could never keep anyone home indefinitely. We are a society and many people continued to work. They caught it, gave it to their families, their families gave it to their friends and so on and so forth. I took a poll at work one day a couple of weeks back. About 70% of the people had caught it, most had very mild cases, a few were quite sick, but none were hospitalized. Let's face it, that kind of numbers wouldn't have happened if the masks and sanitizing actually worked. It is predominantly spread inside buildings among people who spend several minutes or more together. It was rarely spread outside.
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They only want most of us to die.

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Of course the access deaths rose up once the shelter in place orders were imposed.

It happens every time.

The excess deaths are an effect of the cause not the cause of the effect.

most of the shelter in place orders came into effect after the situation was out of control.

in all the jurisdictions around the world where the populations were more obedient the cases of covid19 were very low to non existent.

there was shelter in place orders at my location along with all the other measures and most people at the start during the first wave followed them significantly and the cases vanished in less then a month.

Most of the restrictions were lifted and kids went back to school and then cases exploded up like a rocket and all the restrictions were reimplemented.

but people were less obedient and it took longer for cases to drop but then did and then when people saw this they demanded restrictions to be lifted and they were and and an even bigger spike up than the previous one happened and restrictions were reimplemented again.

It is like installing a burglar alarm after you are broken into.

Why did the RAND people release the report?

They will take heat for it.

But any of you that think it is a bullet proof vest and utilize it to avoid being shot will find out it is tissue paper.

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What sucks is it probably does work to slow an infection down . THEY LIED. About the amount of deaths and infected the PCR test has a 90-97 percent false positive ! So if and when a real issue happens all the data from Covid is horse shix
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Of course the access deaths rose up once the shelter in place orders were imposed.

It happens every time.

The excess deaths are an effect of the cause not the cause of the effect.

most of the shelter in place orders came into effect after the situation was out of control.

in all the jurisdictions around the world where the populations were more obedient the cases of covid19 were very low to non existent.

there was shelter in place orders at my location along with all the other measures and most people at the start during the first wave followed them significantly and the cases vanished in less then a month.

Most of the restrictions were lifted and kids went back to school and then cases exploded up like a rocket and all the restrictions were reimplemented.

but people were less obedient and it took longer for cases to drop but then did and then when people saw this they demanded restrictions to be lifted and they were and and an even bigger spike up than the previous one happened and restrictions were reimplemented again.

It is like installing a burglar alarm after you are broken into.

Why did the RAND people release the report?

They will take heat for it.

But any of you that think it is a bullet proof vest and utilize it to avoid being shot will find out it is tissue paper.
 Quoting: HYpEr7l9Er


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RAND probably dreamed up the whole idea.
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Of course, that's because covid is a total fabrication and the biggest hoax in history, and every official who pushed it and the vax will be hunted down.
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RAND probably dreamed up the whole idea.
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think tanks....



they should re-name them septic tanks...

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They only want most of us to die.

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RAND probably dreamed up the whole idea.
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think tanks....



they should re-name them septic tanks...

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That's because they could never keep anyone home indefinitely. We are a society and many people continued to work. They caught it, gave it to their families, their families gave it to their friends and so on and so forth. I took a poll at work one day a couple of weeks back. About 70% of the people had caught it, most had very mild cases, a few were quite sick, but none were hospitalized. Let's face it, that kind of numbers wouldn't have happened if the masks and sanitizing actually worked. It is predominantly spread inside buildings among people who spend several minutes or more together. It was rarely spread outside.
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this is what we are told about colds and flu too...

that they don't have much to do with colder outdoor temps, except that those temps force people to stay indoors together more.
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I asked a family member (high up in Healthcare):

Q: Why did the flu #s drop to 0?

A: Because of the masks, hand washing and distancing.


Q: But why did the Covid #s replace the flu #s?

A: Because Covid is highly contagious.


Q: If Covid is so contagious, why not test a breath or spit sample?
Why do you have to probe all the way to the brain to find it?

A: I don't want to talk about it. You'll find a problem with everything.


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thiss

never heard of a cold or flu or easily spreadable virus that you had to poke a person's brain to find.

never heard of one that did not promote coughing, snotting, and sneezing at some point in its course.

never heard of a pandemic without huge losses all around you

never heard of a really bad outbreak that didn't either kill too fast to truly spread - like Marburg fever or Ebola - or become weaker as it became endemic.

this whole business is NOT medical. It's political.

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Shelter in place a WOKE Term for

Marsh Laaa

I.E Get in the house so we can find you when we are ready to jack Boot you.


Of course those who live in rural areas are much less effected.

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