Unsure about the Rapture-then take it to the Lord.

I always thought my quote from John, the first in my sig... I thought that should settle this. It has not.

But it should. How do you justify this with your "rapture"?

"There is a principle
which is a bar against all information,
which is proof against all argument,
and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance.
That principle is condemnation before investigation."


The Rapture. . Chuck Missler


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Sorry Krissy, The john Darby story has been debunked over and over showing us who know that you're very uneducated about the subject.

And not a single quote from the Bible to back up your nonsense. Obviously that's because you cant find any.

Just because you say so doesn't make it so.

Think...why do pictures of unrelated things provide an answer?????????.

Think... why do 9 question marks help your point?

They don't.

So what?

Well I'm glad that that's all sorted.

For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

You have embraced the false doctrine of the rapture to the point of it being your idol, and God Himself will confirm the answer of that which you have already made your mind up to be.

You are in grave danger of at own peril.

Ez 14

Why would Jesus want to take you?

That's a good question.

Why would Jesus want to take anyone?

I'll stick with what the Bible says, not the foolish notions of fallen men.

The wise Christian is one who believes what the Bible says and who has put all of their trust in the Lord for their salvation. We all fail everyday, but we pick ourselves up and keep on going because we know that that wonderful day is fast approaching.
The foolish Christian is one who listens to lying preachers, is distracted by the cares of this world, and was likely never more than a lukewarm believer in the first place.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.

Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You have still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made your self right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be?

Does it really matter if there is a rapture or not?

I don't really care tbh

I'll still try to be the strongest Soldier of Christ until I leave this hell hole you call earth.

God has made it easy to open the door to salvation (to be present with the Creator) at this time. It becomes more difficult during the GREAT tribulation (the wrath of God).

Choose WISELY…your soul depends on it.

Fearing the Lord is the beginning of WISDOM

Lacking a better explanation, I'm staying with people only ascending to New Jerusalem after all fallen angels are in the fiery lake.
The tribulation below are trumps 1-6, the tribulation that will not harm believers is the 7 vials that are poured out as soon as the 7th trumps sound. That take just under 4 hours.

De:4:30-31:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
De:4:30-31:
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
Heb:12:22-25:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
much more shall no

You might want to redefine 'great tribulation' as being killed by the 7 vials yet remaining awake for the 1,000 years they are in hell. Since they are the ones in the selection below, it appears everybody appearing at the GWT event is also 'saved'.

Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The "catching up" occurs on the literal last day of this prolonged judgment day that we are currently experiencing.

It is an impossibility for one to make themselves right with God. The acceptance of Christ is one of many false teachings from the corporate churches who are no longer relevant as the apostasy has already taken place and they are rendered useless.


Know where we are in God's timetable.....

The world Is under the wrath of God,we are in judgment day and have been for over a decade. We know this with certainty through the biblical timeline of history that God has revealed in His word in our day. The timeline reveals creation began in 11013bc, the flood 4990bc, Christ birth April 1st 7bc ( known exact date, jubilee year) , Christ death and ressurection 33ad ( just to name a few). Not only has God revealed a percise timetable of biblical events but also has opened up spiritual understanding (progressive revelation) of His word that with certainty reveals we are at the end of time for this present world. The biblical timeline fashion with opening up of the scriptures reveals the church age ended on May 21 1988 after 1955 year's as an external representation of God on earth. This is the apostasy,satan stands in the Holy place. God removed His Holy Spirit from all the churches and congregation's that have identified themselves with Christ and installed satan to rule there,the daily sacrifice taken away. May 21 1988 was the 13000th year of earth's history and the beginning of the great tribulation that lasted 23 years / 8400 days. September 7 1994 (the last jubilee) usher in a 17 years of the latter rain whereas God who elected a people for Himself at the foundation of the world begin to apply salvation/regeneration of dead spirits outside of the churches in the world ( the last will be first and the first will be last) saving more souls in that timespan than any other point in history. All of this ended on May 21 2011 the beginning of judgment day. Satan was dethroned as ruler of this world a right of conquest won in the garden with the fall of mankind to where he is no longer relevant at this point.Satan is not responsible for what is happening in our day,this is the wrath of God being poured out on the unsaved people's of the world ( standing before God). Christ came as He said He would like a "theif in the night" and did for most of mankind but not for the one's who heeded the warning of that day ( judgment day) will not "overtake you as a theif".Christ is no longer the belovant saviour but the judge ruling the nation's people's of the world with a rod of iron. As the wrath of God continues to become worse the people of God will go through this time of trouble as well but, will endure to the end.

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The tradition is The Bride goes on a year honeymoon with the Groom. In this case the Bride or believers go off somewhere with the Bride Groom or The Lord for a year. That must be the Rapture. However we return after one year.

Obviously we have all fallen short and it is impossible for any of us to get to heaven as a result of our own efforts. However if we turn to the Lord and ask for His forgiveness of our sins, then they are washed away. It is then that we become right with the Lord. But the first thing that has to be done is that we have to turn to the Lord...today.

God bless you for your faith and perseverance. He is coming

To gather His precious stones.

We know not when the Bride Groom will return so we must keep our lamps full and the wick trimmed so as to not miss his return at which time the door will be closed and missing the marriage of being in the physical presence of Jesus .

It other words don't game the Lord you might die in the process and never get the job done.

Come on, you can't just make up some extra-biblical rubbish and call that a solution.

Judethz, you of all the people here should know better.

<50% Those who claim no one in the church believed in a pretribulation rapture until 150 years ago make two critical errors. First, they base their denials of the rapture on church history rather than on the words of Scripture. Second, the claim that a belief in pretribulation rapture originated with John Darby in the 1800’s is demonstrably false.

To be clear, the Bible must be our only source for faith and practice. However, in order to encourage believers who often hear this false and deceptive claim regarding church history, with this signpost I provide much evidence from the early centuries of the church demonstrating an early belief in the pretribulation rapture.

The witness of church history is not the basis for our belief, but it does completely nullify the claim that no one believed in a pretribulation rapture before the time of John Darby. The quotes I provide in this signpost prove its existence at an early time in the church as well as a century before the time of Darby.

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When is it going to happen?

I believe in Jesus Christ.

You do not know better.

Of course you are... right?

Does that make me some prophet?