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Jake Samuelson says he has received 16 calls from the landline of his grandparents Arnie and Myriam Notkin
Both have been missing for three days since the Miami condo collapse early on Thursday
The first call came Thursday evening, with another 15 the next day
All the family can hear is static when they pick up the phone
The Notkins are among the 156 people still unaccounted for in the aftermath of the collapse, which has so far left nine people confirmed dead
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That's haunting.

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Thread: Family receives 35 calls from train crash victim after he died

They got several phone calls from 49-year-old Chuck Peck after the crash. But they now know he died on impact. Peck's fiancee, Andrea Katz, told KTLA that the first call was to his son in Utah. "...and he said my dad just called me and I said, what did he say? Is he okay? Where is he





Apparently mystery calls after tragedy have been reported before
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Samuelson said his family reached out to a detective to see what the calls could mean but have so far not received any answers.


I’d think it was an attempt to be rescued. Them calling by the are still alive but trapped.


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Jake Samuelson says he has received 16 calls from the landline of his grandparents Arnie and Myriam Notkin
Both have been missing for three days since the Miami condo collapse early on Thursday
The first call came Thursday evening, with another 15 the next day
All the family can hear is static when they pick up the phone
The Notkins are among the 156 people still unaccounted for in the aftermath of the collapse, which has so far left nine people confirmed dead
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His grandparents, both in their 80s, live in apartment 302 in the Champlain Towers South, and their landline phone usually sits right next to their bed, according to the report.



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Samuelson said his family reached out to a detective to see what the calls could mean but have so far not received any answers.


I’d think it was an attempt to be rescued. Them calling by the are still alive but trapped.


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Jake Samuelson says he has received 16 calls from the landline of his grandparents Arnie and Myriam Notkin
Both have been missing for three days since the Miami condo collapse early on Thursday
The first call came Thursday evening, with another 15 the next day
All the family can hear is static when they pick up the phone
The Notkins are among the 156 people still unaccounted for in the aftermath of the collapse, which has so far left nine people confirmed dead
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I would concur.

It’s sad and quite horrifying to think there are (were?) people alive who weren’t rescued in time.

Another thread a few days ago asked- WHATS TAKING SO LONG TO MOVE DEBRIS AND FIND PEOPLE?
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Samuelson said his family reached out to a detective to see what the calls could mean but have so far not received any answers.


I’d think it was an attempt to be rescued. Them calling by the are still alive but trapped.


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Jake Samuelson says he has received 16 calls from the landline of his grandparents Arnie and Myriam Notkin
Both have been missing for three days since the Miami condo collapse early on Thursday
The first call came Thursday evening, with another 15 the next day
All the family can hear is static when they pick up the phone
The Notkins are among the 156 people still unaccounted for in the aftermath of the collapse, which has so far left nine people confirmed dead
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I would concur.

It’s sad and quite horrifying to think there are (were?) people alive who weren’t rescued in time.

Another thread a few days ago asked- WHATS TAKING SO LONG TO MOVE DEBRIS AND FIND PEOPLE?
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Thread: Surfside CONDO "RESCUERS" ARE JUST STANDING ON TOP OF THE PILE, NOT MOVING, JUST STANDING THERE, FOR HOURS!!! WHY?!?!
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If they listened longer to the static maybe they could make out some words.
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That's haunting.

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I posted this on the Maison condo thread, and then found this one on the grandparents--posting here because I found more sources for the story, plus the second one about the found birthday card--

Like a Twilight Zone episode where the dead grandmother was calling the little grandson on a toy phone...

The family of the Florida grandparents missing in the aftermath of the Surfside building collapse told The Post Tuesday they are still getting mysterious phone calls from the couple’s landline — at least 20 since the catastrophe.

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“There’s nobody on the line and it’s just static,” recalled Ohayon, who said she picked up one such call late Sunday. “And we wait and we just hang up because nothing changes.”

Ohayon said a caller ID unit on her 48-year-old sister’s phone indicates that the calls are coming from her parents’ line inside their apartment 302 in Champlain Towers South, where the phone was next to their bed.
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But the calls kept coming, one after another to the same phone until more than a dozen had accumulated through early Monday. Sometimes when the family called the landline themselves, Samuelson said the phone was somehow answered and they would stay on the line and listen to the static. Other times, the calls went to a busy signal

..further in the article:
When a reporter dialed the landline, it rang several times before an automated voice identified the phone as belonging to Verizon Wireless and said the call could not be completed. A spokeswoman for Verizon, Diana Alvear, said the phone number is not theirs and did not answer follow-up questions about the automated message.
Each subsequent time the reporter called the landline, the response was a busy signal.
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or this one story where a birthday card shows up like a passport at Ground Zero:

Michael Noriega, whose 92-year-old grandmother is among the missing in the Surfside, Florida, condo collapse, says his family found photos and a birthday card belonging to his grandmother shortly after arriving on scene.
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If they listened longer to the static maybe they could make out some words.
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bump
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Ted Rappaport, an electrical engineering professor at New York University who specializes in telecommunications, said the phenomenon Downey described is real, but only happens with cellphones - not with landlines like the Notkins’ phone.

Instead, Rappaport said, the recent calls could result from an electrical error in equipment that may have aggregated phone wires from each of Champlain Towers South’s condos. He added that this possibility was somewhat implausible because the Notkins’ landline kept calling the same number and no other families are known to have reported similar issues.

The calls could also stem from damage to the circuitry in the Notkins’ phone, Rappaport said. But he said one or both of the Notkins could also be alive and activating the phone, yet unable to speak.

“This is unusual enough to give me hope that there’s someone who’s alive and is somehow protected in the rubble and is trying to signal that they’re there,” Rappaport said.

He said the static when the phones connect could be because the Notkins’ handset was broken by the rubble and there’s no longer any circuitry for listening or talking. And he said whether the Notkins’ phone is answered or delivers a busy signal when the family calls could depend on whether the handset is in its cradle.

Suresh Subramaniam, chair of the electrical and computer engineering department at George Washington University, said he initially thought someone could be spoofing the Notkins’ landline number to make it look like their calls were coming from that phone. But he said that scenario seems unlikely because the family has not discovered a telemarketer when they answer the calls.

Subramaniam said the ring that family members hear when they initiate the calls is a signal from the phone company that it located and connected to the landline, but it does not necessarily mean the landline is ringing. He said it’s possible that this part of the phone network may have survived the collapse and that the static heard when the phones connect could be caused by several factors, including weather or faulty equipment.

In Subramaniam’s eyes, the calls could signal an electrical glitch or a live person dialing. He said it was also possible that a piece of rubble could be repeatedly pressing against the phone’s buttons. Rappaport, however, said that scenario would require a series of unlikely movements from the debris.
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Samuelson said his family reached out to a detective to see what the calls could mean but have so far not received any answers.


I’d think it was an attempt to be rescued. Them calling by the are still alive but trapped.


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Jake Samuelson says he has received 16 calls from the landline of his grandparents Arnie and Myriam Notkin
Both have been missing for three days since the Miami condo collapse early on Thursday
The first call came Thursday evening, with another 15 the next day
All the family can hear is static when they pick up the phone
The Notkins are among the 156 people still unaccounted for in the aftermath of the collapse, which has so far left nine people confirmed dead
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27185047


I would concur.

It’s sad and quite horrifying to think there are (were?) people alive who weren’t rescued in time.

Another thread a few days ago asked- WHATS TAKING SO LONG TO MOVE DEBRIS AND FIND PEOPLE?
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Ok, so let me get this straight... the building collapsed on itself, but the land line phone service was still connected and up and running? And the night stand and the phone remained standing up next to his bed. Did he go to the kitchen and get a drink of water before making the phone call from the pancaked building?
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They have to create the illusion that people initially survived.
No one survived.
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someone with a bud set messing with the family. a bud set can be connected outside the building or at the box all the lines are routed threw. too much not known. is that lanline a old pots line or has it been updated? anyones lanline can be utalized with a bud set, make calls, cause a busy signial, forward calls, do anything the normal phone can do.
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Building falls down.
Phone stays on hook.
Wires stay connected.
What else am I missing here.
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Almost the exact same story on this video start at 4 min.


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If they listened longer to the static maybe they could make out some words.
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You are dumb. Is the redial button being pushed by the ruble. Old people still have land lines and phones with big buttons.
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Those grandparents look very Kosher.
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When most people hear static on the radio or see it on television, they adjust the dial (if they still use one). But there are some who tune in primarily for this white noise.

These people hear words and see images formed by the fuzz. Strange as it may seem, they believe these words are messages from spirits of dead people trying desperately to communicate with the living world.

This occurrence is known in paranormal circles as electronic voice phenomena or EVP.


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chuckle
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The calling card of you know who...
like the supposed birthday card found untouched in the rubble.....

reminds me of the pristine passport found on 9/11 from one of the supposed terrorists. lol
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