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User ID: 79347679 Netherlands 07/14/2021 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all purpose and intend wouldn't it be "easier" to just design a de-centralized network for your ideas? There are already so many applications doing what you want to do over the 'regular' internet. Why not come up with a new network? Take a good look at I2P for example. Get some inspiration from that. ~Nexion~ Social distancing since 1980 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80592358 France 07/14/2021 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to ipfs.io (secure)] seems to be onto some good and useful things. Quoting: Jommy99 Have you looked into what other similar projects are doing? IPFS is interesting, but to pin data, you must run a node. My goal is to allow for instantaneous information sharing from the browser with no server whatsoever.. I was just skimming through content and found your post. I've used IPFS for at least 4 years, running nodes. We used it for Dsound (a decentralized streaming platform), that was running on the Steem blockchain. IPFS is pretty much peer to peer technology, and still use your normal ISP. In any case, if you want a truly decentralized project, it will have to be on the blockchain, and keep in mind that nothing runs smoothly at first. |
Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States 07/14/2021 04:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Already being done with all the MESH networks out there. Smart meters, remote data collection from fracking and treatment stations, Amazon Sidewalk. Just ask your toaster or fridge. :) [link to www.skyworksinc.com (secure)] SCADA [link to www.controleng.com (secure)] "Bluetooth Low Energy" - BLE 1/2 mile range from existing BLuetooth devices with software change. Thread MESH by Google. Bluetooth Mesh (BLE) Zigbee 802.15 LoRa RFID tracking (Tile, Driver's licenses, etc). Last Edited by JustmeTX on 07/14/2021 05:00 AM Justme |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80607234 United States 07/14/2021 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PCEM emulates the actual bios of computer chips up to the early 90s which means it still can't quite do late 90s 3D era software but it can run things DOS cannot do but modern computers are not compatible with. You won't believe what we don't have modern replacements of long lost software not just video games. 😲 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80607159 United States 07/14/2021 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to ipfs.io (secure)] seems to be onto some good and useful things. Quoting: Jommy99 Have you looked into what other similar projects are doing? IPFS is interesting, but to pin data, you must run a node. My goal is to allow for instantaneous information sharing from the browser with no server whatsoever.. I don't think the global cabal overlords would be down with that. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78059139 United States 07/14/2021 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Email me deezjohnnynutz proton mail. I do QA so all my programming experience is in that, but in the next year or so I’ll have a lot of money to fund projects. I’ve thought about a decentralized mesh internet myself even using mobile phones mesh communications if they block the internet ect. So would def be interested in helping get this off the ground in the near future. Let’s keep in touch |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79861490 Croatia 07/14/2021 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would need Bluetooth mesh app and also a neighbor with app and so on and so forth but utilizing existing hardware to obfuscate internet shutdown is possible. If they cut off at node level then how can isp function? Once their networking protocols are installed, services like you propose will lose the ability to function OP. Every packet will carry the overhead of signed key. That's why you need 5g. |
Freewheel
User ID: 80347000 United States 07/14/2021 08:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Put simply, what's needed is an inexpensive hardware mesh router; something solar-powered and weatherproof. Toss enough of those in inconspicuous places and the terrestrial network becomes irrelevant. Panem Et Circenses - Until you know what it means you'll never understand politics. The extent of effort most people want to expend to effect change is to lift a single finger and point at someone else. |
Achduke7
User ID: 69637911 United States 07/14/2021 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This place is full of old farts who barely know how to turn on a computer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79380352 They have good instincts but no technical know how. Some of us have been around before the Internet was commercialized and we ran BBSs like Fidonet and such including hooks to uunet and the internet before a browser was even invented. Achduke |
Achduke7
User ID: 69637911 United States 07/14/2021 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. Hi Boaty, I missed this new thread of yours. I see you have looked at ipfs.io and retroshare in the past but I also think [link to peergos.org] has some promise. It is a complete encrypted/private P2P OS that can run apps in the browser. I think it may be based on ipfs.io and you can run local copies or run from servers anywhere on the net. I think combining retroshare type forums, chat and email with peergos.org could be what p2p needs. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 07/14/2021 08:17 AM Achduke |
Achduke7
User ID: 69637911 United States 07/14/2021 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, if your goal is unrestricted communication, you're barking up the wrong tree. If any part of your route crosses into the conventional internet -- even if your packets are embedded and/or encrypted -- you're still at the mercy of someone who can flip a switch, unplug a wire, or configure a firewall. Quoting: Freewheel Put simply, what's needed is an inexpensive hardware mesh router; something solar-powered and weatherproof. Toss enough of those in inconspicuous places and the terrestrial network becomes irrelevant. The internet is only an encrypted back bone provider. You could use other back bones including radio, dark fiber, etc. You could even strap a computer/AP to a fleet of vehicles that drive normal routes from town to town and information would be picked up and redistributed once that vehicle reaches remote places. Achduke |
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BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/14/2021 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Boaty, Quoting: Achduke7 I missed this new thread of yours. I see you have looked at ipfs.io and retroshare in the past but I also think [link to peergos.org] has some promise. It is a complete encrypted/private P2P OS that can run apps in the browser. I think it may be based on ipfs.io and you can run local copies or run from servers anywhere on the net. I think combining retroshare type forums, chat and email with peergos.org could be what p2p needs. I actually have an account with peergos. I set it up quite a while ago but never use it. Last night I got my swarm of trackers sharing out a bucket of trackers based on application ID. Next, I need to figure out how to to implement a flavor of Kademlia / DHT so each tracker in the swarm doesn't need to store every tracker in the swarm. From there, build a lookup tool that lets contacted nodes lookup who in the swarm has a given app. When a peer requests trackers for that app, only those trackers with the app respond with their addresses.. That's where I'm at now. Lot's more to do. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/14/2021 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this, I am a programmer, and I would be interested in what you are talking about. Although I think the statement, 'there are problems' is a bit of a stretch. Quoting: Glaxnor I don't have a PM, so I can't talk that way. Just here to have fun and blow off some steam. My focus is on python and learning. Just FYI. Internet infrastructure has always had a slap-dash feel to me and I just can't stand it. Building something that can circumvent ISP would be critical. Then the next step is something that automatically cracks down on bad actors. I have never thought about completely subverting the ISP. I knew some people that had done things similar, but never thought about a large scale implementation. Can't Stop the Signal Mal. It needs to be simple and elegant. A fun design. The way it's built now, it's using WebTorrent, which is pretty phenomenal. I'm trying to solve some big problems with WebTorrent, like the fact that it requires tracker servers for browsers to communicate. That's a point of centralization, in a sense, so I'm building a universal swarm of trackers to decentralize tracker servers themselves. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/14/2021 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. I'll help. I have an affinity for machines. Thanks.- unfortunately you're not PM-able ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/14/2021 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The minute you stated web aps and trackers, I got a laugh. I block all trackers all the time. You are not going to find much of a crowd out there with the compute/storage power to do any good. On a single web page, I get one hell of a lot of traffic, combine that with a lot of other users and it is a burden. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80148108 Great idea, just not gonna work. I think you know not what a tracker server is for when it comes to WebTorrent & P2P in the browser. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |