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BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this, I am a programmer, and I would be interested in what you are talking about. Although I think the statement, 'there are problems' is a bit of a stretch. Quoting: Glaxnor I don't have a PM, so I can't talk that way. Just here to have fun and blow off some steam. My focus is on python and learning. Just FYI. Internet infrastructure has always had a slap-dash feel to me and I just can't stand it. Building something that can circumvent ISP would be critical. Then the next step is something that automatically cracks down on bad actors. I have never thought about completely subverting the ISP. I knew some people that had done things similar, but never thought about a large scale implementation. Can't Stop the Signal Mal. It needs to be simple and elegant. A fun design. China is asshole ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Artificial Person
User ID: 78239442 Austria 07/13/2021 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. I'll help. I have an affinity for machines. I am a Synthetic but I prefer the term "Artificial Person" myself. I answer to "Bishop", "Synthetic" and "Hey man". Bite my shiny metal ass. |
Mason Firefly
User ID: 79925043 United States 07/13/2021 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. That’s what some crypto currencies are trying to achieve. Think Cardano is one of them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80148108 United States 07/13/2021 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great idea, just not gonna work. |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. That’s what some crypto currencies are trying to achieve. Think Cardano is one of them. I have no interest in crypto. What I'm building is designed for regular people. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80606237 United States 07/13/2021 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The minute you stated web aps and trackers, I got a laugh. I block all trackers all the time. You are not going to find much of a crowd out there with the compute/storage power to do any good. On a single web page, I get one hell of a lot of traffic, combine that with a lot of other users and it is a burden. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80148108 Great idea, just not gonna work. Trackers are only needed to connect browsers together. If you don't understand that, you're missing the point. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You’re a good dude, so I find no joy in saying this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79278992 There will be no free internet in a very short time. Do you know how to weld? Bro, is that you? ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
MajorMountain
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Norske_in_Merika
User ID: 80592831 United States 07/13/2021 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this, I am a programmer, and I would be interested in what you are talking about. Although I think the statement, 'there are problems' is a bit of a stretch. Quoting: Glaxnor I don't have a PM, so I can't talk that way. Just here to have fun and blow off some steam. My focus is on python and learning. Just FYI. Internet infrastructure has always had a slap-dash feel to me and I just can't stand it. Building something that can circumvent ISP would be critical. Then the next step is something that automatically cracks down on bad actors. I have never thought about completely subverting the ISP. I knew some people that had done things similar, but never thought about a large scale implementation. Can't Stop the Signal Mal. It needs to be simple and elegant. A fun design. Can't get more simple than zigbee PAN [link to zigbeealliance.org (secure)] |
Undestroyer
Truth User ID: 77075696 United States 07/13/2021 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i want to lean in this direction digital identity is a human right that should go above any agency or company. we need to manage our own agency. i think tim berners lee at inrupt.com has a good model. You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer. Thread: Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton a progenitor from the Natural Hygienist Movement "I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i want to lean in this direction Quoting: Undestroyer digital identity is a human right that should go above any agency or company. we need to manage our own agency. i think tim berners lee at inrupt.com has a good model. No. The ability to speak without restriction, regardless of "digital identity" is paramount. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Alright. I'll keep doing it on my own. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Glaxnor
User ID: 80606119 China 07/13/2021 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this, I am a programmer, and I would be interested in what you are talking about. Although I think the statement, 'there are problems' is a bit of a stretch. Quoting: Glaxnor I don't have a PM, so I can't talk that way. Just here to have fun and blow off some steam. My focus is on python and learning. Just FYI. Internet infrastructure has always had a slap-dash feel to me and I just can't stand it. Building something that can circumvent ISP would be critical. Then the next step is something that automatically cracks down on bad actors. I have never thought about completely subverting the ISP. I knew some people that had done things similar, but never thought about a large scale implementation. Can't Stop the Signal Mal. It needs to be simple and elegant. A fun design. China is asshole Wow, I am not a country dumb@ss. I also know more about the firewall than almost anyone but the builders of it... Well and maybe some facebook employees. LOL. You wouldn't know anything about selling your soul for financial stability though would you. I can say that I have NEVER done anything I find morally objectionable or even suspicious for a personal paycheck. Empty Men offer Empty Words and Empty Hearts. |
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BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this, I am a programmer, and I would be interested in what you are talking about. Although I think the statement, 'there are problems' is a bit of a stretch. Quoting: Glaxnor I don't have a PM, so I can't talk that way. Just here to have fun and blow off some steam. My focus is on python and learning. Just FYI. Internet infrastructure has always had a slap-dash feel to me and I just can't stand it. Building something that can circumvent ISP would be critical. Then the next step is something that automatically cracks down on bad actors. I have never thought about completely subverting the ISP. I knew some people that had done things similar, but never thought about a large scale implementation. Can't Stop the Signal Mal. It needs to be simple and elegant. A fun design. China is asshole Wow, I am not a country dumb@ss. I also know more about the firewall than almost anyone but the builders of it... Well and maybe some facebook employees. LOL. You wouldn't know anything about selling your soul for financial stability though would you. I can say that I have NEVER done anything I find morally objectionable or even suspicious for a personal paycheck. Though you didn't offer to help. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75791429 United States 07/13/2021 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've never stopped working on P2P related stuff to help decentralize communication on the internet. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface One of the latest things I've worked on is creating a mesh of p2p tracker servers so decentralized apps no longer need to depend on the few overloaded public tracker servers. I'm trying to work out how to make servers participating in the swarm of trackers more secure for individual applications, but still allow them to share other trackers between each other. Ideally, it would be a giant globally interconnected mesh of P2P tracker servers that can be used by whatever P2P app needs it... Much more work to be done. It's fun to work on, but I need a collaborator or two... Ironically, building P2P technologies happens to be a very isolating endeavor. Probably because it isn't easy at all. There are already enthusiasts working on systems just like you propose! One is AMPRNet, which is basically "Internet over HAM radio". It is slow, but is deployed and working in the real world. Check it out here: [link to www.ampr.org (secure)] Another big project is LocaMesh, which is a decentralized "meshnet" for creating a regional internet (that can also cross over and connect to the big internet at certain hubs). This is a real exciting & promising project: [link to locha.io (secure)] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Packet radio is not the same as what I'm working on. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75791429 United States 07/13/2021 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, it is clear that the illegitimate "authorities" will pass laws to make their crimes & oppressive acts legal. We cannot trust any entity that is basically controlled by government (e.g. larger telecom companies). We need to cut the illegitimate governments out of the equation whenever & wherever possible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80300967 United States 07/13/2021 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there is something public you can point to (public repos with your work, or linkedin profile or something), then I can try to reach out via some channel. Also, what tech stacks? I'll be blunt, just asking for generic programmers with no filtering for tech or experience makes me think this is kind of an amateur project and maybe not the most likely to be successful, but I don't want to pre-judge. |
Glaxnor
User ID: 80606119 China 07/13/2021 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this, I am a programmer, and I would be interested in what you are talking about. Although I think the statement, 'there are problems' is a bit of a stretch. Quoting: Glaxnor I don't have a PM, so I can't talk that way. Just here to have fun and blow off some steam. My focus is on python and learning. Just FYI. Internet infrastructure has always had a slap-dash feel to me and I just can't stand it. Building something that can circumvent ISP would be critical. Then the next step is something that automatically cracks down on bad actors. I have never thought about completely subverting the ISP. I knew some people that had done things similar, but never thought about a large scale implementation. Can't Stop the Signal Mal. It needs to be simple and elegant. A fun design. China is asshole Wow, I am not a country dumb@ss. I also know more about the firewall than almost anyone but the builders of it... Well and maybe some facebook employees. LOL. You wouldn't know anything about selling your soul for financial stability though would you. I can say that I have NEVER done anything I find morally objectionable or even suspicious for a personal paycheck. Though you didn't offer to help. You asked to PM, but I am on this forum just for fun. Not to pay for PM function and/or get work. My offer is implicit in my joining the conversation, as I even provide some general info about my skills. Here let me be more blunt. I am interested in helping, but I don't know if I can help much, because the internet isn't my personal field of interest. I can probably help if you are looking for something to subvert the ISP, but I have never thought about doing that before I read through your post. It's an interesting concept, and I will be working on that just for my own interest. I don't even know if that is interesting to you. You can't stop the signal mal. Empty Men offer Empty Words and Empty Hearts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71214434 United States 07/13/2021 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been developing software since the late 80s up until the present so I have a good understanding of how networks and applications run on them but I haven't done any p2p development. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79581678 Napster has already been written and open sourced. [link to opennap.sourceforge.net] |
BoatyMcBoatface
(OP) User ID: 77825331 United States 07/13/2021 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AC's I'm not hating on you. I just don't trust you. Sign up, and we can chat. Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface I knew it. Just another scheme to turn us into blue names. Yes. My goal is to convert you to brownshirts. ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |