SERIOUS QUESTION FOR CHRISTIAN's: IF GOD TRULY GAVE HUMANS "FREE WILL" THEN WHY... | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80106689 United States 06/24/2021 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, your free will does not control the way things work. God gave you free will so you could love him back freely. Jesus was born without sin, so yes, he is special. We were all born with sin, that's just the way it is. We are darn lucky that God sent his Son Jesus here to save us. When Jesus saw what was going to happen to him, he could have said hell no but instead his love for us outweighed his fear and he went through with God's plan. Praise Jesus! |
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C MAJOR User ID: 80527196 United Kingdom 06/24/2021 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God truly gave humans "free will" and we can freely "will" ourselves to do or not to do right or wrong according to God, then why has NO ONE IN HUMAN HISTORY (Except Jesus ) been able to have demonstrated such ? Why must it take Jesus set a man "free" from his will to sin if he already has "free" will? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79405666 John 8:36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. If we had "Free will" then we would be free from the bondage of sin and wouldn't need Jesus to set us free. No ? because the power of sin is the law ( old covenant ) and where there is no law there is no trangression ( sin) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78230975 United States 06/24/2021 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We were born into corruption. Our universe is winding down in the grip of entropy which is time. Being born in this corruption we take on the image of its matrix. The Creator became part of creation to create a path to perfection but only for those who choose it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73186423 United States 06/24/2021 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He also gave you free will to be so ignorant you wouldn't understand Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73186423 Surly of it's so simple to understand, you could simply articulate a response with sound reason.. No ? I could, but won't. I don't have the time to explain to each and every person who doesn't want to put in the time to understand something that affects their eternal destination. I'll give you this one tidbit of info. Some argue that your free will and predestination by God are incompatible and mutually exclusive. Those people think this because their limited understanding causes them to put God in a box with parameters they can understand. From our point of view we have free will. However, from God's point of view, it's predestination because he is omniscient and knows the future. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79405666 United States 06/24/2021 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free will does not actually and literally mean that one can make choices, create, change his mind, or reformulate ideas and data, etc., but that those choices and thought processes must themselves be free thoughts and free choices. "Free will" is only true if our choices are also free. But free from what? Why, free from being forced upon us against our will, or free from being caused by anyone or anything except our OWN will. And so, yes, man can think, process data, make choices, change his choices, etc. But none of these activities are free from internal or external CAUSES. That man has a will, there is no debate. It is the teaching that man himself determines his own will, FREELY, without anything causing his will or his choices to be what they are. The idea of free will or free moral agency is that man can by himself unaided by anything else, originate his own choices of his will. But does man actually possess such a power? And if he does, where is the proof? Now for all who have no confidence in the Scriptures, let me say that there is absolutely no scientific proof that man has a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." If such a freedom of the will existed, it should be possible to demonstrate it. But there is no such scientific demonstration that man can formulate thoughts and actions to which absolutely no cause whatsoever can be attributed. And for all who do have confidence in the Scriptures, let me say equally dogmatically that there is absolutely no Scriptural proof for man having a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." In every case Scripture shows that it is God Who is behind the scene of all circumstances that influence and cause a man to make the one and only choice possible under any given circumstance. This law of "cause and effect" is stated and demonstrated time and again in Scripture. Ignorance of these behind the scenes causes does not disprove the fact that they are the actual and literal cause of our choices. No ? And of not, articulate with sound reasons as to why this is not true... |
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User ID: 80263968 United Kingdom 06/24/2021 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God truly gave humans "free will" and we can freely "will" ourselves to do or not to do right or wrong according to God, then why has NO ONE IN HUMAN HISTORY (Except Jesus ) been able to have demonstrated such ? Why must it take Jesus set a man "free" from his will to sin if he already has "free" will? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79405666 John 8:36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. If we had "Free will" then we would be free from the bondage of sin and wouldn't need Jesus to set us free. No ? Well, quite simply, He said He came specifically for sinners. Hence, setting them free. He didn't come for everyone. - Kriminel |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76760905 United States 06/24/2021 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We choose to sin, because there's no other choice but to sin. To understand that you have to go back to Adam and Eve. God made them sinless but set boundaries for their choices. If they went across those boundaries they sinned. And Adam and Eve had a special relationship with God before they sinned, they knew God personally. But once they sinned, the broke that relationship, and were cast out of Eden, that perfect state of being that knew God face to face. So everyone born since Adam and Eve are also sinners because of the context of our lives, our choices. It's all consequences of Adam and Eve's choice to sin. So, since we are in that state where we can never not sin, God became a man on our behalf so He could become the sacrifice or price for sin. If you're in Christ then you are freed from the eternal consequences of your sin (separation from God). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73186423 United States 06/24/2021 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free will does not actually and literally mean that one can make choices, create, change his mind, or reformulate ideas and data, etc., but that those choices and thought processes must themselves be free thoughts and free choices. "Free will" is only true if our choices are also free. But free from what? Why, free from being forced upon us against our will, or free from being caused by anyone or anything except our OWN will. And so, yes, man can think, process data, make choices, change his choices, etc. But none of these activities are free from internal or external CAUSES. That man has a will, there is no debate. It is the teaching that man himself determines his own will, FREELY, without anything causing his will or his choices to be what they are. The idea of free will or free moral agency is that man can by himself unaided by anything else, originate his own choices of his will. But does man actually possess such a power? And if he does, where is the proof? Now for all who have no confidence in the Scriptures, let me say that there is absolutely no scientific proof that man has a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." If such a freedom of the will existed, it should be possible to demonstrate it. But there is no such scientific demonstration that man can formulate thoughts and actions to which absolutely no cause whatsoever can be attributed. And for all who do have confidence in the Scriptures, let me say equally dogmatically that there is absolutely no Scriptural proof for man having a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." In every case Scripture shows that it is God Who is behind the scene of all circumstances that influence and cause a man to make the one and only choice possible under any given circumstance. This law of "cause and effect" is stated and demonstrated time and again in Scripture. Ignorance of these behind the scenes causes does not disprove the fact that they are the actual and literal cause of our choices. No ? And of not, articulate with sound reasons as to why this is not true... Trying to intellectualize it, doesn't refute it. Believe, or chose not to believe. Some prefer evidence and it's available for those who diligently seek it. I'm convinced that those with a heart predisposed to questioning God in a haughty manner, will never be allowed to see the evidence. They will only be allowed to believe blindly (which they won't), thus filtering out precisely who should not be allowed in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75241667 United States 06/24/2021 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude ever hear of what's called an Ascended Master? There's been countless humans that have become Ascended Masters. The only reason you don't know about all the other ones, is because you are a retard that trusts the Church of the Devil and the Synagogue of Satan to actually tell you the truth, and stop lying to you to make sure you are a good slave. The reason you don't know about them is because you put your faith in a religion that was created by Reptilians as a way to suppress the real teachings of Jesus. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78321357 United States 06/24/2021 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God truly gave humans "free will" and we can freely "will" ourselves to do or not to do right or wrong according to God, then why has NO ONE IN HUMAN HISTORY (Except Jesus ) been able to have demonstrated such ? Why must it take Jesus set a man "free" from his will to sin if he already has "free" will? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79405666 John 8:36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. If we had "Free will" then we would be free from the bondage of sin and wouldn't need Jesus to set us free. No ? Well, quite simply, He said He came specifically for sinners. Hence, setting them free. He didn't come for everyone. Yes He did come for everyone |
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User ID: 80263968 United Kingdom 06/24/2021 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If God truly gave humans "free will" and we can freely "will" ourselves to do or not to do right or wrong according to God, then why has NO ONE IN HUMAN HISTORY (Except Jesus ) been able to have demonstrated such ? Why must it take Jesus set a man "free" from his will to sin if he already has "free" will? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79405666 John 8:36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. If we had "Free will" then we would be free from the bondage of sin and wouldn't need Jesus to set us free. No ? Well, quite simply, He said He came specifically for sinners. Hence, setting them free. He didn't come for everyone. Yes He did come for everyone Luke 5:32 "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” He was quite clear. - Kriminel |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79405666 United States 06/24/2021 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Free will does not actually and literally mean that one can make choices, create, change his mind, or reformulate ideas and data, etc., but that those choices and thought processes must themselves be free thoughts and free choices. "Free will" is only true if our choices are also free. But free from what? Why, free from being forced upon us against our will, or free from being caused by anyone or anything except our OWN will. And so, yes, man can think, process data, make choices, change his choices, etc. But none of these activities are free from internal or external CAUSES. That man has a will, there is no debate. It is the teaching that man himself determines his own will, FREELY, without anything causing his will or his choices to be what they are. The idea of free will or free moral agency is that man can by himself unaided by anything else, originate his own choices of his will. But does man actually possess such a power? And if he does, where is the proof? Now for all who have no confidence in the Scriptures, let me say that there is absolutely no scientific proof that man has a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." If such a freedom of the will existed, it should be possible to demonstrate it. But there is no such scientific demonstration that man can formulate thoughts and actions to which absolutely no cause whatsoever can be attributed. And for all who do have confidence in the Scriptures, let me say equally dogmatically that there is absolutely no Scriptural proof for man having a "free will" or the ability to make "uncaused choices." In every case Scripture shows that it is God Who is behind the scene of all circumstances that influence and cause a man to make the one and only choice possible under any given circumstance. This law of "cause and effect" is stated and demonstrated time and again in Scripture. Ignorance of these behind the scenes causes does not disprove the fact that they are the actual and literal cause of our choices. No ? And of not, articulate with sound reasons as to why this is not true... Trying to intellectualize it, doesn't refute it. Believe, or chose not to believe. Some prefer evidence and it's available for those who diligently seek it. I'm convinced that those with a heart predisposed to questioning God in a haughty manner, will never be allowed to see the evidence. They will only be allowed to believe blindly (which they won't), thus filtering out precisely who should not be allowed in. There are laws of science that men do not wish to carry over into his private and spiritual life. Why? Well, because he doesn't like the ramifications of these laws. He does not want to admit that he is bound and controlled by laws. He wants to be "free"—free to be his own god, free to determine his own destiny, free to override the rule and dominance of God, free to rebel or free to obey, but freedom of the will at all cost. I will admit that it is a real shock when we first come to understand that of ourselves we cannot make one "free" choice to do good. Something must cause that choice, but the carnal mind hates to be "caused" to do anything. "God gave all men free will," he shouts. God gave man no such thing. Free will is a phantom illusion that has deceived the whole world. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80527467 Australia 06/24/2021 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are born against our will. Born doomed with no choice in the matter. We had no choice who our parents were either. We had no say in what culture or religion were were programmed with. We had no say in what others did to us either good or bad. And we have no say in the fact that all our days are numbered and there is a day appointed to us to die. No choice in ANY of the REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT MAJOR STUFF WHATSOEVER. SO LIFE ITSELF IS NOT SOMETHING WE CHOSE. IT WAS INFLICTED ON US...AS WILL DEATH BE. So where is free will...when ultimatley...we have had NO CHOICE AT ALL in the things that truly matter. |
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User ID: 79771883 United States 06/24/2021 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He also gave you free will to be so ignorant you wouldn't understand Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73186423 Surly of it's so simple to understand, you could simply articulate a response with sound reason.. No ? It's religion, none of it makes sense. The part your missing is "there is no free will". The mythical god has already done your plan. Or there is free will, but you don't have the will power to do it right. Take your pick. I believe in science NOT religion. Giving me bad karma for that, is anti-religious (you're passing judgement) I am just a man. Of no significance. Who found religion to be full of lies, and wrong doing, conflicted teachings I understand microwave communications. I do not stand for the NWO, it sucks. |