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World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism

 
by N Podhoretz
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12/28/2007 01:49 PM
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World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The thesis of this book is that the United States and the free world are now engaged in a fourth world- war, this one against radical Islam. The 'third world war' ended with the fall of the Soviet Union, and now according to Podhoretz the West faces another long- term struggle which will be decided not in a year or two but in the decades ahead. The point - man of this war at present is President Bush who Podhoretz sees as continually defamed and slandered by anti- American elements in the far - too- liberal for his taste Western media.
While I am fundamentally in sympathy with his approach and believe that he rightfully sees the insidious intentions of a radical revolutionary fundamentalist Islam , I have reservations about his approach. One reason for this is that when we think of War we tend to think of great military forces in direct collision. True, the United States and the Soviet Union did not come to the ultimate face off, as the Allies did against the Axis but there were two massive military and political empires in direct contention.
Here there is , as Podhoretz is well aware of, an assymetrical situation. Therefore he sees it as a new kind of war, a new kind of struggle which is especially demanding in the propaganda and media spheres. As I understand it he reads the intentions of Radical Islam rightly. Whether it be the Sunni Salafi Wahhabite strains or the Shiite Messianic strains there is an ideology whose ultimate goal is putting all of Mankind under the flag of Islam. The rise in this regard of a radical Iran on the verge of nuclear weapons is at this moment a key and most threatening development in the overall struggle.
In regard to Iran Podhoretz is most forthright and persuasive. He outlines the dangers of a nuclear Iran, and he rightly characterizes the regime as an Islamofascist one. He understands Gulf Oil, America's allies in the Middle East would all be put in great jeopardy by a nuclear Iran. And he strongly advocates as major step in the war the preempting of the Iranian nuclear threat.
Iran also plays a part in another aspect of the Islamic threat, the element of Muslim penetration into Europe. There is by this time a whole literature suggesting that in a few decades post- Christian Europe my well be Islamic.
But there are great weaknesses in the world of Islam, including the major failure to within their own societies confront the modern world and properly adapt to it. The Islamic world is by and large a backward world not simply in its political structure but in its command of the knowledge, and technique of modernity.
So my own understanding is that in the civilizational confrontations of the future it is not really poised for mastery and conquest. Its forces are too scattered, divided, and weak. Consider the chaos in Iraq with not simply Sunnite- Shiite conflicts but with internal Shiite conflicts. To my mind the danger of radical Islam and Islam's anti- American stand is in its power to weaken the U.S. isolate it from its allies, and generally serve as auxillary to the forces which present a greater real threat in the future, a renascent Russia, and far more importantly ,an ambitious rapidly developing China.
On the whole I believe Podhoretz rightly points to an ongoing, and increasing danger presented to the U.S. and the West by radical Islam. I believe he is right in seeing that this danger will not go away soon. And that the U.S. struggle will be a long term and global one. The historian Michael Oren in surveying two - hundred years of American involvement in the Middle East showed many of the U.S. involvement in that part of the world has been deeper and longer than we knew. It may be that the struggle of the kind Podhoretz rightly indicates the U.S. to be in will be going on in another one hundred years from now.
On the whole this is an informative and rich work which anyone who takes true interest in the present world- situation would do well to read.
[link to www.amazon.com]
Islamic__Guy

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12/28/2007 01:52 PM
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Wow.

A Jewish neo-con says that America must wipe out Islam.

Shocking.

rolleyes
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More than any honest man could afford.

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Matrix
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12/28/2007 02:40 PM
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The masses tend to unite when a common enemy is there. The Soviet union served as a common enemy, uniting the west, but when the cold war ended, there was a danger that the common unity against the common enemy would come undone. Hence the creation of a world wide threat who would refocus the west to again unite. Laws were passed and wars were created to make sure of a common front, that if enough references of this super threat were made, the masses would be convinced that they were under attack and any attempt of the pacifists to outline the links between the two sides could then be denounced. Every major terrorist attack seems to be blamed on the same super group, that this super power of terrorism has the ability to strike everywhere, anytime. The media have done their best to pin blame before any investigation is mounted. Instead of waiting for the facts, they can use their freedom of the press to shape opinion, and from there "the facts" are made to support their claim. As soon as this super terrorist group's name is mentioned, the system goes into a autopilot mode, following procedures which would of been deemed farcical pre-9/11. A 9/11 had to occur to set the pre-text, and from there, there has been a constant campaign to link major acts of terror to just 1 name, so that the whole seems bigger then the sum of their parts.
darth marduk
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12/28/2007 02:43 PM
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nice: fascism against islamofascism...
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 02:47 PM
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The masses tend to unite when a common enemy is there.
 Quoting: Matrix 321343


You have the right to not believe Islamofacism is a real enemy, common or not, dhimmi.

Good luck not choking on the sand...
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 02:49 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The fact is, the Nazi movement has recruited quite a few Islam people for it's cause.

Google Islam and Nazi and read all about it.
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12/28/2007 02:50 PM
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Wow.

A Jewish neo-con says that America must wipe out Islam.

Shocking.

rolleyes
 Quoting: Islamic__Guy


Yeah, for sure.

oil
picesnator

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12/28/2007 02:53 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
or would u rather kill ur daughter because she got raped??
or strapped a bomb to a baby girl???
or whenever the wife doesn't please u , u get to beat the fuck out of her.
or stone [using rock] her.
or set her on fire
or bury her alive
or would turn the clock back 800 years
just passing thoughts about islam...
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 02:55 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The fact is, the Nazi movement has recruited quite a few Islam people for it's cause.

Google Islam and Nazi and read all about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 251874


For extra points, google

zionists, nazis

[link to www.google.com]

And find out how zio-psychos like yourself happily screwed their own tribesmen.
darth marduk
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
or would u rather kill ur daughter because she got raped??
or strapped a bomb to a baby girl???
or whenever the wife doesn't please u , u get to beat the fuck out of her.
or stone [using rock] her.
or set her on fire
or bury her alive
or would turn the clock back 800 years
just passing thoughts about islam...
 Quoting: picesnator


[link to wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com]

are you stupid or just an idiot? flip
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 03:03 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The fact is, the Nazi movement has recruited quite a few Islam people for it's cause.

Google Islam and Nazi and read all about it.


For extra points, google

zionists, nazis

[link to www.google.com]

And find out how zio-psychos like yourself happily screwed their own tribesmen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 253965



I am neither Islamic nor Zionist. I ain't got no religion!

Just common sense.
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 03:10 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The fact is, the Nazi movement has recruited quite a few Islam people for it's cause.

Google Islam and Nazi and read all about it.


For extra points, google

zionists, nazis

[link to www.google.com]

And find out how zio-psychos like yourself happily screwed their own tribesmen.



I am neither Islamic nor Zionist. I ain't got no religion!

Just common sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 251874


Well then.

Common sense would dictate that you'd make some effort to educate yourself, because you obviously have no idea what you're gibbering about.
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 03:19 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The fact is, the Nazi movement has recruited quite a few Islam people for it's cause.

Google Islam and Nazi and read all about it.


For extra points, google

zionists, nazis

[link to www.google.com]

And find out how zio-psychos like yourself happily screwed their own tribesmen.



I am neither Islamic nor Zionist. I ain't got no religion!

Just common sense.


Well then.

Common sense would dictate that you'd make some effort to educate yourself, because you obviously have no idea what you're gibbering about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 253965



Not gibbering about anything. I said, go to google, and type two words. ISLAM, NAZI.

you can also add the word ZIONIST if you like, makes no difference to me. I didn't write ANY of it, and have no associating with any of it.

EDUCATE YOURSELF.
fnord
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12/28/2007 03:28 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
What we need is a long struggle against Corp-gov fascism.
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 03:30 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
or would u rather kill ur daughter because she got raped??
or strapped a bomb to a baby girl???
or whenever the wife doesn't please u , u get to beat the fuck out of her.
or stone [using rock] her.
or set her on fire
or bury her alive
or would turn the clock back 800 years
just passing thoughts about islam...
 Quoting: picesnator


Youre right, lets nuke them.

iamwith
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12/28/2007 05:07 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
The fact is, the Nazi movement has recruited quite a few Islam people for it's cause.

Google Islam and Nazi and read all about it.


For extra points, google

zionists, nazis

[link to www.google.com]

And find out how zio-psychos like yourself happily screwed their own tribesmen.



I am neither Islamic nor Zionist. I ain't got no religion!

Just common sense.


Well then.

Common sense would dictate that you'd make some effort to educate yourself, because you obviously have no idea what you're gibbering about.



Not gibbering about anything. I said, go to google, and type two words. ISLAM, NAZI.

you can also add the word ZIONIST if you like, makes no difference to me. I didn't write ANY of it, and have no associating with any of it.

EDUCATE YOURSELF.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 251874


Good job.

Once you declare that you have no association with any of IT, you should be declared EXTREMELY EDUCATED.
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 05:15 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Yep that's right. Only a neutral third party can actually discern the truth without bias or judgement

A NAZI IS A NAZI IS A NAZI TO ME.


Labels make no difference.

"True Believers" are frightening, no matter what side they're on.
Anonymous Coward
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12/28/2007 05:46 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Wow.

A Jewish neo-con says that America must wipe out Islam.

Shocking.

rolleyes
 Quoting: Islamic__Guy

Next the Jewish Neocon Bolshevik will argue the need to wipe out Christianity in America so the Zionist Orcs can rule the world!

SHOCKING!!!

THE EVIL BASTURDS!!!! monster skulburn
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12/29/2007 02:46 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
or would u rather kill ur daughter because she got raped??
or strapped a bomb to a baby girl???
or whenever the wife doesn't please u , u get to beat the fuck out of her.
or stone [using rock] her.
or set her on fire
or bury her alive
or would turn the clock back 800 years
just passing thoughts about islam...
Quoting: picesnator



[link to spam.blogspot.com]

are you stupid or just an idiot? :flipu2:
 Quoting: darth marduk 164509



So what parts of his statement are wrong?

Your people have done all that and then some.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Wow.

A Jewish neo-con says that America must wipe out Islam.

Shocking.

rolleyes

Next the Jewish Neocon Bolshevik will argue the need to wipe out Christianity in America so the Zionist Orcs can rule the world!

SHOCKING!!!

THE EVIL BASTURDS!!!! monster skulburn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 346134



Your statement helps Islam grow stronger.

Do they have a place set aside for you if they take over and rule us?
Anonymous Coward
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12/29/2007 02:55 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Any arsehole who mentions WW4 should be dismissed out of hand, considering WW3 hasn't even occurred yet.
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Any arsehole who mentions WW4 should be dismissed out of hand, considering WW3 hasn't even occurred yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 341598



....If you only had a brain....
~~la~la~la~~

The 'third world war' ended with the fall of the Soviet Union, and now according to Podhoretz the West faces another long- term struggle which will be decided not in a year or two but in the decades ahead. The point - man of this war at present is President Bush who Podhoretz sees as continually defamed and slandered by anti- American elements in the far - too- liberal for his taste Western media.
 Quoting: readnexttime
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
or would u rather kill ur daughter because she got raped??
or strapped a bomb to a baby girl???
or whenever the wife doesn't please u , u get to beat the fuck out of her.
or stone [using rock] her.
or set her on fire
or bury her alive
or would turn the clock back 800 years
just passing thoughts about islam...
 Quoting: picesnator


Well ... sounds very conservative to me.
Where is the problem ?

Thieves loose their hands, cheating wives their heads, cheaters loose their tongue, ...

That sounds pretty good.
No Brainer

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12/29/2007 03:19 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
What happened to World War 3, I havn't missed that one have I?
I Hide In The Dark To Do My Dirty Doo Doo's
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12/29/2007 03:22 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Listen, the USA should not be the police man of the world....

Vote Ron Paul, bring all the troops home and shut down the federal reserve board.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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12/29/2007 03:41 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Listen, the USA should not be the police man of the world....

Vote Ron Paul, bring all the troops home and shut down the federal reserve board.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 342628



Yeah lets bring the fight to our streets.

Cut n Run won't bring peace...
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12/29/2007 03:46 PM
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Re: World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
mr referee! it wasn´t me! it was the other guy!







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