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Kratom Works, It is Good Medicine

 
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It is life changing
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That could be a problem...
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In terms of getting off a hopeless addiction to IV heroin, I'd say kratom is life changing.
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Kratom is the fucking devil. I started taking it. 2 grams. Then 3 gram. 4 gram. Next thing I knew I was taking 40 grams a day . Extremely hard to come off and the withdrawl is fucking real ! Do not start this stuff. It's extremely addictive and extremely hard to come off. Cigarettes were easier to quit !
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see, this right here is why kratom needs to be banned
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You know who is trying to get kratom banned? Scott Gottlieb.

What does that tell you about kratom?
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Love Kratom, green Malaysian is my favourite :)
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NO MORE EXCUSES.

Decriminalize cannabis.
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it is in many states now.. mine was one of the early states.. I live in Colorado.
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Kratom's wide array of strains really make it one of the most versatile and effective medicines, not just natural/holistic meds but pharma as well. It is the perfect plant for opiod detox as well as getting through the first year of Post Acute W/d syndrome too. The red vein's are a miracle for even heavy opioid detox. ALong with other comfort meds, it can make any level of detox tolerable, if not comfortable. They can also provide pain killing effects for non-opioid tolerant people. It is great for sleep disorders as well. Over time, the opioid w/d can turn into more of a depression, with less energy, or mood swings, etc; Green vein strains are awesome when introduced at this point in the detox process. Green strains are excellent mood enhancers, pain relieving, energy enhancers and also help with psychological/mental symptoms such as anxiety or ADD. This goes for anyone, whether detoxing from opioids or just wanting a healthy boost in your life. White vein strains are primarily stimulating and can provide some form of euphoria. For the opioid detoxing, the addition of white strains in the morning can get your dopamine levels up and [allegedly] help rewire neuropathways that were damaged from opioid use. For the casual/everyday user, the white strains are excellent nootropics, and especially when combined with coffee (they are in the same plant family) provide energy and focus boosts that are actually noticeable, unlike most of these herbal "cure-alls". So, no matter what you're looking for, there's a strain for that. It sounds like the cannabis advocates who are always claiming "there's a strain for everything", but kratom doesn't provide the same type of psychoactive high that cannabis does, yet the effects are quite pronounced. You could, potentially treat nearly any common problem with Kratom, mixing strains allows for users to create the perfect combination of effects that suits them. Side effects are minimal if present at all, it's still possible to develop physical dependence on this, but the ADDICTION potential is not the same as physical dependence. Plus, the effects are usually noticed right away, its very affordable and while it's pleasurable effects tend to fade, the medicinal effects tend to remain. I have a lot of experience with pharmaceuticals and I mean a lot. I was in at the beginning of the oxycontin era but have also been on every anti depressant, sleep med, add med,anti-epileptic, hep-c treatment, etc, and I was on suboxone for 7 years before i up and quit without tapering. I had the kratom and the kitchen sink to throw at it, but i never would've believed kratom would have any effect on me because of my opioid tolerance. Same goes for being experienced with both meth and rx amphetamines, I didn't think kratom could compare or even be noticeable. I didn't think it could help my anxiety because of my benzo tolerance, either. Kratom WORKS. Granted, it can take more at first if you're using it for detox, but otherwise, it is actually effective at treating most disorders in place of pharmaceuticals. I'm still kinda back and forth with actually doing that, but I know that for even those heavily experienced in pharmaceuticals, Kratom is a life saver. For those who aren't, it can be the ultimate "bio hack" if used correctly. While many [smoke shop, gas station] brands may be generic, not list ingredients, or just plain shit, there are legit brands and this plant should not be brushed aside as another holistic "cure-all" or a "legal high", because it is IME more effective/less psychoactive than cannbis, with the potential to be nucleus of any supplement stack or medicine cabinet. I order caps for goldenmonk, they have excellent prices, service, and selection.

P.S. I expressed its use in place of opioids, stimulants, and benzos/anxiety meds, but it can also help get rid of alcohol cravings and withdrawals, and pretty much any other substance potentially. I am an ex smack,speed,benzo,and booze addict, yet now I can drink with extreme self control, if I even care to drink. As I try to replace meds 1 at a time with kratom/other supplements, I notice the same goes for the meds, but i have a hard time committing to completely using kratom and no pharms. But, knowing that medicine will be more difficult to get ahold of in the future, I think everyone who is prepping to any degree, should buy some kilo's of kratom and keep them aside in case it gets regulated and the collapse results with meds being unavailable. I have spent most of my adult life looking for a cure all/alternative to riding the pharmacoaster, and kratom is the closest thing i've found, and it's not as intoxicating as cannabis.
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I have been taking kratom for a few years now for chronic pain and low energy. A couple of years ago a friend was talking to me often about trying cbd oil for pain instead because it worked for them. I tried it for a while instead of kratom and it did nothing for me and also made my liver enzymes go too high. I don't drink or take tylenol so that was the only thing I could figure out was causing it. But I was glad it helped my friend. I stopped that and went back to taking kratom. I don't know what I would do if it was banned and outlawed in my state. It has been a godsend for me.

As far as the deaths some are posting about from kratom, I looked into it and did some research to find out why the FDA feels this way and about how these people really died. I found some interesting info leading to these people that died having multiple other drugs in their body or they were lacing kratom with something else. But of course, it all got blamed on kratom. Because, well, it helps some people like me too much and they can't have something natural out there helping people instead of putting chemicals in our bodies.


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Kratom is the fucking devil. I started taking it. 2 grams. Then 3 gram. 4 gram. Next thing I knew I was taking 40 grams a day . Extremely hard to come off and the withdrawl is fucking real ! Do not start this stuff. It's extremely addictive and extremely hard to come off. Cigarettes were easier to quit !
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i agree with cigarettes being easier, but I also think cigarettes are way easier to quit than people think. Just an excuse for people to justify their lack of real desire to quit. If the big tobacco companies have to fund anti-tobacco companies and quitting aids to convince you its impossible to quit, it's much easier than that. However, regarding the Kratom, you may consider it the devil, but you made the decision to start using 40 grams a day, whether you knew about the doses you were taking and the withdrawals or not, That is your fault 100%. If you were taking it cluelessly, then your ignorance is to blame. Otherwise, you're the worst type of addict, the one that believes the substance is to blame, because they cannot look at themselves or take responsibility. For every corner we cut in life, their tends to be a trade off in varying degrees. I was given painkillers from Norco's to Dilaudids to OC 80's to Fentanyl pops/patches in almost unlimited supply. I nearly killed myself and ruined my entire 4 years of college and the following 10+ years as well. The drugs are not the devil, the devil tempts people the best way he can, a new junkie with a seemingly unlimited supply is the devil at work, but I do not blame the substances or consider them the devil. If we, as a society didn't have demand for vices, the devil would stuggle to tempt us. Kratom needs to be respected and used appropriately and detox always needs to be factored in and an exit plan should always be in place. If you have the self control, Kratom can be a literal gift from God, not the devil,
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I wish I could take so little! I normally take up to 30g per day when I have Kratom. A kilo only lasts me a month. Fortunately even at this dose the withdrawal isn’t too bad, especially if I limit my use to one month intervals.

I’ve been off it for a few months, and I just ordered a kilo for the summer. Maybe this time I’ll try lower doses…

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A few more thoughts,
Don't use google to look into kratom. You'll be bombarded with websites claiming that kratom addiction requires opioids and pharmaceuticals to get off of and its a dangerous legal high that is essentially only available because of legal loop holes... DuckDuckGo will give you many different results.
Don't bother with extracts or any new "novelty" products, such as kratom shots, tablets, etc. Capsules are far easier than dealing with powder, but also about twice the price if bought in capsule form, but if you're willing to fill capsules yourself, buying powder and some empty caps would be the best bang for your buck. Also, coffee is such a complimentary substance that its almost considered a requirement to take kratom with coffee. Grapefruit juice and Turmeric w/curcumin and black pepper, and magnesium are all good potentiators.
If the FDA is trying to crack down on it again, then big pharma knows its good shit...buying it on the black market would seem so ridiculous, let's get more kratom advocates out there just like the cannabis movement has and look at the trouble they were willing to go through to get their medicine to be available legally.
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I have been taking kratom for a few years now for chronic pain and low energy. A couple of years ago a friend was talking to me often about trying cbd oil for pain instead because it worked for them. I tried it for a while instead of kratom and it did nothing for me and also made my liver enzymes go too high. I don't drink or take tylenol so that was the only thing I could figure out was causing it. But I was glad it helped my friend. I stopped that and went back to taking kratom. I don't know what I would do if it was banned and outlawed in my state. It has been a godsend for me.

As far as the deaths some are posting about from kratom, I looked into it and did some research to find out why the FDA feels this way and about how these people really died. I found some interesting info leading to these people that died having multiple other drugs in their body or they were lacing kratom with something else. But of course, it all got blamed on kratom. Because, well, it helps some people like me too much and they can't have something natural out there helping people instead of putting chemicals in our bodies.


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I wish I could take so little! I normally take up to 30g per day when I have Kratom. A kilo only lasts me a month. Fortunately even at this dose the withdrawal isn’t too bad, especially if I limit my use to one month intervals.

I’ve been off it for a few months, and I just ordered a kilo for the summer. Maybe this time I’ll try lower doses…
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This time, start with taking magensium and any other nmda antagonist's you can at the beginning, to help prevent tolerance. Are you taking it recreationally or are you taking it for detox purposes? if you're not combating withdrawals, just make sure you get the best quality, the strain with the effects you are most interested in, and use as many potentiators as you can. If you're taking it to get high or nod, then you're abusing it, and that would explain taking 30g a day. Being honest about why you're taking it and then doing all the research, is the only way you'll have a different outcome.
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I wish I could take so little! I normally take up to 30g per day when I have Kratom. A kilo only lasts me a month. Fortunately even at this dose the withdrawal isn’t too bad, especially if I limit my use to one month intervals.

I’ve been off it for a few months, and I just ordered a kilo for the summer. Maybe this time I’ll try lower doses…
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This time, start with taking magensium and any other nmda antagonist's you can at the beginning, to help prevent tolerance. Are you taking it recreationally or are you taking it for detox purposes? if you're not combating withdrawals, just make sure you get the best quality, the strain with the effects you are most interested in, and use as many potentiators as you can. If you're taking it to get high or nod, then you're abusing it, and that would explain taking 30g a day. Being honest about why you're taking it and then doing all the research, is the only way you'll have a different outcome.
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I also have a high tolerance to synthetic NMDA antagonists(I binged on DXM and O-PCE a little too much) but I’ll try the magnesium. I know it works differently than the synthetic dissociatives.

I take Kratom due to severe psychological and emotional suffering. Psych meds only make things worse for me. I prefer Kratom. Emotional pain can be worse than physical pain, so taking a painkiller feels justified.

The high dose is a combination of my previous opioid experiences(I’ve used codeine dozens, of not a couple hundred times since I was 15. It’s OTC here) and the fact that my mental illnesses/demonic attacks are so severely painful that low doses don’t do much.

Similar to how 2g of Kratom won’t do whit if your leg is broken in two.
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I like/love drinking. And with kratom as a replacement I am down to 2 days a week of drinking which adds to writing so I am not upset at the 5-2 ratio and am having fun with it. Holy! A few gel caps of red da maeng (1/2 gram caps) in the am (about 3) and then one every 2 hours and I forget about drinking at all. Until I feel the need to write so I just drink. There are no side effects. I tried to get 'high on it' and ate 5 grams but it ws all itchy and scratchy and sweaty so...meh, not my cup of tea. Seemed opiate like (I'm allergic to opiates). But just the maintenance cap here and there and I dropped all desire. I pretty much have to force myself to drink, since she is my muse.
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No doubt, it works, and I've seen it save lives. It's natural so you're escaping the Big Agriculture (alcohol) or Big Pharma (opiods) monopoly.

On the downside, you definitely build up a tolerance and will start to feel like crap if you don't have it. It sucks especially when you need to travel to have to always remember to pack it and have a way to take it.

Also, you will need more and more for it to work. I know people taking it for years and it can get to really crazy levels.

But I'm glad to hear that you conquered your demon. Good luck and godspeed!
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I'm getting giddy because I'm about to have my evening dose of Red Maeng Da
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KRATOM LOVERS LISTEN UP

Scott Gottlieb has hilariously stated that kratom is fueling the opioid crisis which is enough to make somebody pull their hair out when educated on the science about kratom. Kratom does the opposite of fuel an opioid crises, it's helped countless lives and continues to do so.

If you're not a member of the American Kratom Association then you should join and donate to the cause of keeping kratom safe. They are the are literally your only hope on this one.
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KRATOM LOVERS LISTEN UP

Scott Gottlieb has hilariously stated that kratom is fueling the opioid crisis which is enough to make somebody pull their hair out when educated on the science about kratom. Kratom does the opposite of fuel an opioid crises, it's helped countless lives and continues to do so.

If you're not a member of the American Kratom Association then you should join and donate to the cause of keeping kratom safe. They are the are literally your only hope on this one.
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Yep, hes an idiot. At least hes not with the FDA anymore.

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KRATOM LOVERS LISTEN UP

Scott Gottlieb has hilariously stated that kratom is fueling the opioid crisis which is enough to make somebody pull their hair out when educated on the science about kratom. Kratom does the opposite of fuel an opioid crises, it's helped countless lives and continues to do so.

If you're not a member of the American Kratom Association then you should join and donate to the cause of keeping kratom safe. They are the are literally your only hope on this one.
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Yep, hes an idiot. At least hes not with the FDA anymore.

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Even worse, he's a board director at Pfizer.

The agenda here is so blatant.
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KRATOM LOVERS LISTEN UP

Scott Gottlieb has hilariously stated that kratom is fueling the opioid crisis which is enough to make somebody pull their hair out when educated on the science about kratom. Kratom does the opposite of fuel an opioid crises, it's helped countless lives and continues to do so.

If you're not a member of the American Kratom Association then you should join and donate to the cause of keeping kratom safe. They are the are literally your only hope on this one.
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Yep, hes an idiot. At least hes not with the FDA anymore.

[link to filtermag.org (secure)]
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Even worse, he's a board director at Pfizer.

The agenda here is so blatant.
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I didn't know that.

Dear God, help us.

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5* Thread OP.
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I have had a kilo in my cabinet for 3 years. Take a teaspoon every four months or so.

Best mixed in fruit yoghurt.

Gives me a nice reset.reduces squirrel mind.

Is very constipating though. You.may think not because poop happens. Just not enough
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Never really got the high. I bet you 100:1 you are an addict. Want to place a bet here on GLP? You are an addict and I can prove it. $100.00 to [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
When you lose...ready? Or did your gumption allowance ground you after your mother did?
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norespectepiclol
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So wager on then? Ready to lose?
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Stop deflecting fool. What a pity. Lol
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So, you don't want to back your ideation with a bet hey. Figures, long in text, short of manliness.
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Kratom is the fucking devil. I started taking it. 2 grams. Then 3 gram. 4 gram. Next thing I knew I was taking 40 grams a day . Extremely hard to come off and the withdrawl is fucking real ! Do not start this stuff. It's extremely addictive and extremely hard to come off. Cigarettes were easier to quit !
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Meh, I went through 'withdrawl' and do so monthly for a few days. It isn't that rough.
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I have had a kilo in my cabinet for 3 years. Take a teaspoon every four months or so.

Best mixed in fruit yoghurt.

Gives me a nice reset.reduces squirrel mind.

Is very constipating though. You.may think not because poop happens. Just not enough
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Ya, not found that yet really. Maybe I just don't do enough for that effect?
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Hey Lance pardon me for not reading the whole thread but I have been talking kratom for pain management for the last 2 years since learning about it but I’ve noticed that the batches seem to change or maybe it’s me so I’m interested is shopping around and would like to try something different. Could you give a suggestion?
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Hey Lance pardon me for not reading the whole thread but I have been talking kratom for pain management for the last 2 years since learning about it but I’ve noticed that the batches seem to change or maybe it’s me so I’m interested is shopping around and would like to try something different. Could you give a suggestion?
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If your flag is true [link to www.canadakratomexpress.com (secure)] are good and communicative. Try their sample packs to find what works best for you. Plus they do COD which suits me fine because I prefer to pay for things with cash!
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Kratom is the fucking devil. I started taking it. 2 grams. Then 3 gram. 4 gram. Next thing I knew I was taking 40 grams a day . Extremely hard to come off and the withdrawl is fucking real ! Do not start this stuff. It's extremely addictive and extremely hard to come off. Cigarettes were easier to quit !
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see, this right here is why kratom needs to be banned
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Noooo, its because thos person couldn't handle their shit. I was on opiates and I couldn't handle my shit on opiates. I've been on kratom for 3 years and rarely ever get about 8-10 grams a day. You dont punish the whole lot for a few bad experiences.

Let's just go ahead and ban fucking cars since a few assholes can't handle driving and end up killing themselves and others.

Everything should be legal and let the ones that can't control their shit weed themselves out.
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Hey Lance pardon me for not reading the whole thread but I have been talking kratom for pain management for the last 2 years since learning about it but I’ve noticed that the batches seem to change or maybe it’s me so I’m interested is shopping around and would like to try something different. Could you give a suggestion?
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If your flag is true [link to www.canadakratomexpress.com (secure)] are good and communicative. Try their sample packs to find what works best for you. Plus they do COD which suits me fine because I prefer to pay for things with cash!
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Great thread Lance. I order from the same place as you. Super red maeng da I quite kratom for a couple weeks and ordered some devils claw to try for arthritis in my hands. I will do an update once it comes in. It’s gotten worse in the last 2 years which was when I did discover kratom. Kratom takes the edge off the pain. I don’t take it to get high because it’s purpose for me is to be able to get through the day pain free. Thank God I discovered this stuff. After being off it a couple weeks and was no big deal stopping, I think I’m gonna order some more cause I really can’t hack the pain in my hands. Over 30 years in the gas and oil trades has really done some damage. Thanks for the thread. cheers
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does work for pain but it makes you feel loopy like a opiate..

to dangerous to screw around with





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