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Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.

 
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if there were a dome over our heads and the stars took formation of this dome, it would give the illusion

for me the fact that the sun's heat is felt directly overhead and i can see a visible change in the suns size when i go higher in altitude, indicates that the sun is much closer and smaller than what they say, not 93 million miles
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No, you misunderstand the flat earth model.

The FE model assumes that people on the edge of the disc (southern hemisphere) are looking southward when they are looking outward from it's center.

It would follow that they would all be looking at different portions of the dome in the FE model, but that's not the case.

They see the southern cross.
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No sir, that's all your assumptions.

There is no universally accepted model for the flat earth.

Everyone has their theories.

Just like there isn't a single accurate map of the globe in existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


The standard FE model is a disc surrounded by a dome.

If you can't even explain your model then it can't be held up against scrutiny and will never replace the commonly accepted one (ball Earth).
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the southern cross can be visible in Hawaii

obviously you can't see it during the day because the sun

all that means is that the stars rotate over us, doesn't prove the earth is a globe

as far as explaining the model, i can give you all sorts of explanations, what do you want?

we already covered southern cross so what's next?

how about you explain how the gravity of the sun doesn't pull in the smaller planets?
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
it's called a fish eye lens.

have you ever looked into camera optics?

they make special lenses that do not curve the image.
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MAAAAA

I DUN SEEN BALLS IN THE SKY

THAT MEANS THAT WE LIVE ON A BALL

I IZ SMART
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
Cool video, not a flat earther by any means, but that wasn't exactly crystal clear evidence of anything
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The actual curve of the earth for one; it clearly seen from various angles and by multiple cameras onboard the spacecraft.

Flat earthers want to believe that every camera has a fisheye lens despite the fact that the curve of the earth is in a different direction than a fisheye lens would capture it.

I have proven that fisheye lens do not curve the image to show the earth as a sphere, at their best they can only show the earth's horizon as a bowl.
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No, you misunderstand the flat earth model.

The FE model assumes that people on the edge of the disc (southern hemisphere) are looking southward when they are looking outward from it's center.

It would follow that they would all be looking at different portions of the dome in the FE model, but that's not the case.

They see the southern cross.
 Quoting: BFD


No sir, that's all your assumptions.

There is no universally accepted model for the flat earth.

Everyone has their theories.

Just like there isn't a single accurate map of the globe in existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


The standard FE model is a disc surrounded by a dome.

If you can't even explain your model then it can't be held up against scrutiny and will never replace the commonly accepted one (ball Earth).
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross can be visible in Hawaii

obviously you can't see it during the day because the sun

all that means is that the stars rotate over us, doesn't prove the earth is a globe

as far as explaining the model, i can give you all sorts of explanations, what do you want?

we already covered southern cross so what's next?

how about you explain how the gravity of the sun doesn't pull in the smaller planets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


We aren't done with the Southern Cross.

You can only see it when looking southward in the southern hemisphere and can be seen by all just like we see Polaris in the north.

How can this be explained in a FE model?

Be specific.
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The real and easiest proof is in the time it takes a Vendee Globe sail boat to circumnavigate Antarctica.

If the flat Earther map was true, the journey would take around 6 months I think.

But they do it in around 20 days. Typing the times by memory, but the point is, the sailboats have a well understood speed and making the much longer journey of a flat Earth map, in the times they post would be impossible.

But it doesn't matter how much proof you show them. They just shove their fingers in their ears and go La La La. :)
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


1) the fastest time the vendee was completed was 74 days and change

2) they don't travel near Antarctica, they travel closer to the equator, so 24000 miles seems right, they also go north after crossing south america

so you come here with assumptions and reference a race you don't even understand, then you tell others they won't listen to reason

interesting

spock
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Your stupidity is showing.

They drive south from France, All the way to their closest approach to Antarctica possible within the rules and the iceberg hazards.

Then they travel right around Antarctica. Here is the tracking map.

Then they sail North back to France.

I have been a sailor for 30 fucking years.
And I used to work for BOC.

[link to www.vendeeglobe.org (secure)]

You might have to adjust the view magnification to see the entire route. I trust you know how to use a mouse.

You can see the date and time of each boat as it circumnavigates Antarctica. Proving your flat earth bullshit is pure bullshit.

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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
Cool video, not a flat earther by any means, but that wasn't exactly crystal clear evidence of anything
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The actual curve of the earth for one; it clearly seen from various angles and by multiple cameras onboard the spacecraft.

Flat earthers want to believe that every camera has a fisheye lens despite the fact that the curve of the earth is in a different direction than a fisheye lens would capture it.

I have proven that fisheye lens do not curve the image to show the earth as a sphere, at their best they can only show the earth's horizon as a bowl.
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The Earth is round, but the barrel distortion is what makes that curvature in the footage.... I've said it many times now, you would need to be at least 100 miles up to even detect a curve because the Earth is fucking huge.

Sigh.

I'm trying to help both flat earthers and ball earthers right now... lol.

Good luck, y'all.
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The Earth is obviously a sphere but to be fair, I've run ths simulations/animations and you would need to be about 100+ miles above the surface to even perceive a curve at all.

Try it for yourself sometime.

Anyone that thinks they can see it from high altitude is just being fooled by 3-point perpective.

At the outside edges of the periphery the orthagonal lines get blown out like a fisheye lens even with the naked eye.

Lines below and above the horizon appear to curve away from it, most notably outside our foveated cone of vision.
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Yes, one problem is the Flerfers don't realize how big the Earth really is.
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Absolutely stunning video from a rocketship launched from an Airplane and flown into space which clearly shows the curvature of the earth for even the dumbest flatearther to see.

No CGI involved and no space mice were harmed during this flight.

Pretty soon now that it has officially flown into space, it will be available for tourist flights.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


I gotta tell you, I've spent 40 years in visual design, fine arts and corporate photography. I do not see how you can say that this is definitive proof as a round disc would appear very similar at those angles and distances, as a globe would. Discs have curves, too. Try again young adamant Jedi.
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No sir, that's all your assumptions.

There is no universally accepted model for the flat earth.

Everyone has their theories.

Just like there isn't a single accurate map of the globe in existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


The standard FE model is a disc surrounded by a dome.

If you can't even explain your model then it can't be held up against scrutiny and will never replace the commonly accepted one (ball Earth).
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross can be visible in Hawaii

obviously you can't see it during the day because the sun

all that means is that the stars rotate over us, doesn't prove the earth is a globe

as far as explaining the model, i can give you all sorts of explanations, what do you want?

we already covered southern cross so what's next?

how about you explain how the gravity of the sun doesn't pull in the smaller planets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


We aren't done with the Southern Cross.

You can only see it when looking southward in the southern hemisphere and can be seen by all just like we see Polaris in the north.

How can this be explained in a FE model?

Be specific.
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross rotates across the sky

it can't be tracked during the day because of the sun

polaris on the other hand, does not move

now explain how the suns gravity doesn't pull in the smaller planets
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The Earth is obviously a sphere but to be fair, I've run ths simulations/animations and you would need to be about 100+ miles above the surface to even perceive a curve at all.

Try it for yourself sometime.

Anyone that thinks they can see it from high altitude is just being fooled by 3-point perpective.

At the outside edges of the periphery the orthagonal lines get blown out like a fisheye lens even with the naked eye.

Lines below and above the horizon appear to curve away from it, most notably outside our foveated cone of vision.
 Quoting: BFD


Yes, one problem is the Flerfers don't realize how big the Earth really is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75669268


I honestly didn't get a sense of it until I set it up in 3d to see it for myself.

At 100 miles up the line is still basically flat.

I think it's around 130-150 miles where you can start to see it it arc.
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
No proof.
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everybody has it wrong, yet is so simple.
earth is a tube, look forward its a sphere, look left or right, its straight
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The only camera that is not subject to barrel distortion would be a pinhole camera obscura without lenses... which is a shitty camera to say the least.
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you know all the rockets that have been launched over the years, even recently, you would think we could get just one with a rear facing camera that shows the earth shrinking as it moves away

would be really cool and wouldn't really cost anything extra, since there already are rear facing cameras that just get shut off after a certain point

but that footage doesn't exist
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Actually the footage has existed for years.




And it has been done since 1946 on the very first rockets sent into space...

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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
Watching this argument, flat vs globe, is like watching people who don't want the drug injection argue with people who do want the injection, but both sides calling it a *vaccine* ."

They're so sure they're right, that they never stop to wonder why this argument is happening at all, and then go after those responsible for it. The argument is the box you've been put in and by fighting each other, you obediently stay in it.

Any wanna be famous off roader has better footage of their shenanigans than the space footage. I don't give two craps whether or not the earth is flat, globe, a disc, a donut. What I do care about is the fact that billions of dollars have gone into this thing with reasonable doubt that anyone has ever gone anywhere. If we have been, why use cgi as the iconic images for everything.

Something stinks and you pro globe people refuse to admit there's a stench. And you flat earthers need to organize and demand answers instead of fighting the globers.
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The standard FE model is a disc surrounded by a dome.

If you can't even explain your model then it can't be held up against scrutiny and will never replace the commonly accepted one (ball Earth).
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross can be visible in Hawaii

obviously you can't see it during the day because the sun

all that means is that the stars rotate over us, doesn't prove the earth is a globe

as far as explaining the model, i can give you all sorts of explanations, what do you want?

we already covered southern cross so what's next?

how about you explain how the gravity of the sun doesn't pull in the smaller planets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


We aren't done with the Southern Cross.

You can only see it when looking southward in the southern hemisphere and can be seen by all just like we see Polaris in the north.

How can this be explained in a FE model?

Be specific.
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross rotates across the sky

it can't be tracked during the day because of the sun

polaris on the other hand, does not move

now explain how the suns gravity doesn't pull in the smaller planets
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Explain Sigma Octantis, the south star.
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Absolutely stunning video from a rocketship launched from an Airplane and flown into space which clearly shows the curvature of the earth for even the dumbest flatearther to see.

No CGI involved and no space mice were harmed during this flight.

Pretty soon now that it has officially flown into space, it will be available for tourist flights.
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I gotta tell you, I've spent 40 years in visual design, fine arts and corporate photography. I do not see how you can say that this is definitive proof as a round disc would appear very similar at those angles and distances, as a globe would. Discs have curves, too. Try again young adamant Jedi.
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Simple Question: How does a fisheye lens curve images of the horizon?
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The only camera that is not subject to barrel distortion would be a pinhole camera obscura without lenses... which is a shitty camera to say the least.
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you know all the rockets that have been launched over the years, even recently, you would think we could get just one with a rear facing camera that shows the earth shrinking as it moves away

would be really cool and wouldn't really cost anything extra, since there already are rear facing cameras that just get shut off after a certain point

but that footage doesn't exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


Actually the footage has existed for years.




And it has been done since 1946 on the very first rockets sent into space...


 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


The Flerfers are asking for video of a rocket going far into Space, like 50 thousand miles, so that the Earth looks like a small round ball.
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The real and easiest proof is in the time it takes a Vendee Globe sail boat to circumnavigate Antarctica.

If the flat Earther map was true, the journey would take around 6 months I think.

But they do it in around 20 days. Typing the times by memory, but the point is, the sailboats have a well understood speed and making the much longer journey of a flat Earth map, in the times they post would be impossible.

But it doesn't matter how much proof you show them. They just shove their fingers in their ears and go La La La. :)
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


1) the fastest time the vendee was completed was 74 days and change

2) they don't travel near Antarctica, they travel closer to the equator, so 24000 miles seems right, they also go north after crossing south america

so you come here with assumptions and reference a race you don't even understand, then you tell others they won't listen to reason

interesting

spock
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Your stupidity is showing.

They drive south from France, All the way to their closest approach to Antarctica possible within the rules and the iceberg hazards.

Then they travel right around Antarctica. Here is the tracking map.

Then they sail North back to France.

I have been a sailor for 30 fucking years.
And I used to work for BOC.

[link to www.vendeeglobe.org (secure)]

You might have to adjust the view magnification to see the entire route. I trust you know how to use a mouse.

You can see the date and time of each boat as it circumnavigates Antarctica. Proving your flat earth bullshit is pure bullshit.
 Quoting: Justme C'est Moi


they dont travel "right around Antarctica"

they are also restricted to above the 46 the line of latitude

that's not even close to antarctica

looking at this route on a flat earth it makes sense the 24000 estimated distance and record time of 74 days
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Absolutely stunning video from a rocketship launched from an Airplane and flown into space which clearly shows the curvature of the earth for even the dumbest flatearther to see.

No CGI involved and no space mice were harmed during this flight.

Pretty soon now that it has officially flown into space, it will be available for tourist flights.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


I gotta tell you, I've spent 40 years in visual design, fine arts and corporate photography. I do not see how you can say that this is definitive proof as a round disc would appear very similar at those angles and distances, as a globe would. Discs have curves, too. Try again young adamant Jedi.
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Simple Question: How does a fisheye lens curve images of the horizon?
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You really need to look up how barrel distortion works.
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere over 2,000 years ago.

We know the truth and nothing will change the Flat Earthers minds.
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the southern cross can be visible in Hawaii

obviously you can't see it during the day because the sun

all that means is that the stars rotate over us, doesn't prove the earth is a globe

as far as explaining the model, i can give you all sorts of explanations, what do you want?

we already covered southern cross so what's next?

how about you explain how the gravity of the sun doesn't pull in the smaller planets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


We aren't done with the Southern Cross.

You can only see it when looking southward in the southern hemisphere and can be seen by all just like we see Polaris in the north.

How can this be explained in a FE model?

Be specific.
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross rotates across the sky

it can't be tracked during the day because of the sun

polaris on the other hand, does not move

now explain how the suns gravity doesn't pull in the smaller planets
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Explain Sigma Octantis, the south star.
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also rotates

and is barely visible by the way

are you going to try and answer my question yet?

or you want to move the goalpost some more?
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How much pollution was spewed into the atmosphere? But I'm supposed to 'reduce my carbon footprint'?

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AOC said they're working on all-electric space craft, they're just having trouble keep the knots out of the 200,000+ foot extension cords.
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We aren't done with the Southern Cross.

You can only see it when looking southward in the southern hemisphere and can be seen by all just like we see Polaris in the north.

How can this be explained in a FE model?

Be specific.
 Quoting: BFD


the southern cross rotates across the sky

it can't be tracked during the day because of the sun

polaris on the other hand, does not move

now explain how the suns gravity doesn't pull in the smaller planets
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Explain Sigma Octantis, the south star.
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also rotates

and is barely visible by the way

are you going to try and answer my question yet?

or you want to move the goalpost some more?
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I haven't moved anything, we are still dealing with the same argument.

Why do people in the southern hemisphere all see the night sky revolve around Sigma Octantis when looking magnetic south?

Barely visible how?

You can always increase the exposure of your camera to catch lower-light scenarios so that's a non-issue.
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Absolutely stunning video from a rocketship launched from an Airplane and flown into space which clearly shows the curvature of the earth for even the dumbest flatearther to see.

No CGI involved and no space mice were harmed during this flight.

Pretty soon now that it has officially flown into space, it will be available for tourist flights.
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


I gotta tell you, I've spent 40 years in visual design, fine arts and corporate photography. I do not see how you can say that this is definitive proof as a round disc would appear very similar at those angles and distances, as a globe would. Discs have curves, too. Try again young adamant Jedi.
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Simple Question: How does a fisheye lens curve images of the horizon?
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You really need to look up how barrel distortion works.
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Barlow lens anyone?
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Re: Virgin Galactic proves the Earth is a sphere.
The Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere over 2,000 years ago.

We know the truth and nothing will change the Flat Earthers minds.
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No shit! Who the FUCK thinks ANY planet is flat. When you are in an airplane you can kind of see the curvature. Hell, even when sky diving you can a little. I guess they think it's flat because we don't fall off, therefore denying gravity? LOL! That is how children think. Good Lord, I have heard everything!
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There is ZERO NOTHING in the way of globe or rotation proof in history.

It's stationary and faces up.
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the southern cross rotates across the sky

it can't be tracked during the day because of the sun

polaris on the other hand, does not move

now explain how the suns gravity doesn't pull in the smaller planets
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Explain Sigma Octantis, the south star.
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also rotates

and is barely visible by the way

are you going to try and answer my question yet?

or you want to move the goalpost some more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


I haven't moved anything, we are still dealing with the same argument.

Why do people in the southern hemisphere all see the night sky revolve around Sigma Octantis when looking magnetic south?
 Quoting: BFD


again, because it rotates

people in australia are looking at the night sky at the opposite time of people in south america

beyond that explanation i would like to see proof that everyone can see this star at the same time in the sky anywhere in the southern hemisphere

as far as i can tell this is just an assumption
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I gotta tell you, I've spent 40 years in visual design, fine arts and corporate photography. I do not see how you can say that this is definitive proof as a round disc would appear very similar at those angles and distances, as a globe would. Discs have curves, too. Try again young adamant Jedi.
 Quoting: Jcappelano


Simple Question: How does a fisheye lens curve images of the horizon?
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You really need to look up how barrel distortion works.
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Barlow lens anyone?
 Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE


Even your Barlow lenses have barrel distortion.

You can try to eliminate barrel distortion by using a longer focal length but it's still there and now you are only viewing a smaller potion of the image which is counterproductive to showing something huge like the curvature of the Earth.
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the southern cross rotates across the sky

it can't be tracked during the day because of the sun

polaris on the other hand, does not move

now explain how the suns gravity doesn't pull in the smaller planets
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


Explain Sigma Octantis, the south star.
 Quoting: BFD


also rotates

and is barely visible by the way

are you going to try and answer my question yet?

or you want to move the goalpost some more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


I haven't moved anything, we are still dealing with the same argument.

Why do people in the southern hemisphere all see the night sky revolve around Sigma Octantis when looking magnetic south?

Barely visible how?

You can always increase the exposure of your camera to catch lower-light scenarios so that's a non-issue.

 Quoting: BFD


Have you personally gone anywhere in southern hemisphere and actually photographed it and tracked it?

no, no you haven't.

you are getting stuck on this one unprovable thing and declaring that's all the evidence you need

there are many many many other angles and issues involved with this debate
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Explain Sigma Octantis, the south star.
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also rotates

and is barely visible by the way

are you going to try and answer my question yet?

or you want to move the goalpost some more?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


I haven't moved anything, we are still dealing with the same argument.

Why do people in the southern hemisphere all see the night sky revolve around Sigma Octantis when looking magnetic south?
 Quoting: BFD


again, because it rotates

people in australia are looking at the night sky at the opposite time of people in south america

beyond that explanation i would like to see proof that everyone can see this star at the same time in the sky anywhere in the southern hemisphere

as far as i can tell this is just an assumption
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79104722


Let me reframe this.

Why do people in the Southern Hemisphere see the night sky revolve around Sigma Octantis when looking south while people in the Northern Hemisphere see the night sky revolve around Polaris when looking north?

What could possibly explain this in a FE model?





GLP