When Will The Rapture Be?

Rapture is imminent. Repent today

Rapture is a man made fantasy.

Just prior to God's wrath........7th Seal.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

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No.

Matthew 24 and there's no explaining it away.

John Nelson Darby created the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture in the 1830's. Prior to that, it was completely understood that Christians would face persecution and be put to death for their faith.

In fact, things get so bad that God says "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."

Matthew 24

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted(J) and put to death,(K) and you will be hated by all nations because of me.(L) 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets(M) will appear and deceive many people.(N) 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Pretty clear things get horrible, and many will turn away. I wonder why? Maybe because they thought they'd get raptured before everything gets insanely terrible on earth and when they aren't raptured they give up on their faith?

Sure seems like it's a possibility.

He cuts the time short for the elect, why are His elect still on Earth?

It's very plainly worded and there is much theological gymnastics required to twist this into anything other than exactly what is says.

Period.

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No rapture.
Noe went through flood so will we.
The only time everyone is removed from earth is when God makes a new one.
So many people claim to know their God and the Bible but yet refuse to read/study it.
Sad really.

No he did not. Although he was very prominent in teaching about the Rapture in the modern era, it has been a part of church doctrine since the very beginning, not withstanding the efforts of the Roman Catholic "church" and others to hide it under a pile of doctrines of devils.

It's all right there, as plain as plain can be. You ignore it at your own peril.


Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
lLuk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I find your lack of faith DisTurbing!

June 31st.

Are you a Christian? Because you write as if you believe there will be a coming Tribulation. If you are, why are you reveling in the fantasy of a fellow believer's loss of faith and martyrdom? Is this what you learned from Christ?

...or is it that you suffer from a much larger spiritual issue than just lacking faith in the words of Jesus when he said "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."?


"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres" I Corinthians 13

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You have failed to "rightly divide "Gods Word.
Standing on one verse is showing us you have not studied to show yourself approved.

It's so simple for those of us with eyes to see and ears too hear!

I see you convenietly didn't address any of the scriptures I provided. Because it cannot be reconciled in order to maintain your doctrine of pre-trib Rapture.

Wouldn't it be more wise to prepare yourself spiritually and mentally face persecution and be wrong, than the other way around?

I know of no better deception then just prior to the End Times, invade and make the church lukewarm and believe they don't need to worry about anything because they get rescued from persecution. When in the Bible did Christians or any follower of Jesus of significance ever, ever get spared horrible deaths and persecution?

If the Christian body is whisked away and saved from persecution, it would work directly against the consistencies of the Bible.

So...that's a theological issue right there.

Anyway, your mind is made up and that's that. But you're doing a lot of harm to the work that needs to be taking place in the church right now.

It's not one verse, it's the entire chapter in which Jesus speaks directly on what to expect in the End Times.

The irony of you accusing ME of cherry picking.

Gaslighting at its finest.

AGAIN.. RAPTURE IS A FOOLISH STORY FOSTERED ON YOUR ONES WHO PREFER FOOLISH TO THE REAL.

AGAIN, THE FOOLISHNESS IS ON YOUR PART. THE RAPTURE/RESURRECTION EVENT IS NOT FOR YOU ONES OF URANTIA CULT.

The rapture/resurrection event is ONLY for those who belong to Jesus-----the only begotten son of GOD. Both the living and dead are taken and they are instantaneously given eternal bodies. Those taken go to the marriage supper of the lamb in heaven.

while you ones of urantia cult are among the left behinds. You people stay right here on Earth during the coming 7 year tribulation period which will be under the antichrist's rule and while GOD pours out his wrath upon the Earth and upon those who refused to repent, refused the gift of salvation and eternal life while it was free.......

looking at GOD's timepiece, which is Israel, with all the turmoil over the last couple of years and now with the new govt, a very liberal govt. much like biden/harris and co.,

I suspect now will be the time for the antichrist to rise up and to confirm the covenant between Israel and the many for 7 years. on the heels of a major war with Gaza and with a new liberal govt. eager to please the US and the world, conditions are ripe for Israel to sign some kind of treaty/peace agreeement/ covenant that appeases the world, and the new govt may just be willing to to do it.

As I understand things, Bennett and his Govt will likely say one thing publicly, and do another behind closed doors.

we may not even see the Daniel 9:27 in the process of being confirmed, it very well may happen behind doors that are closed to the public

Yes that's true.

There are several reasons and one of them is that I find that dealing with people like you is very spiritually depressing. You quite happily type away mixing apples and oranges, quoting biblical verses out of context, and totally ignoring what the Bible says about the Rapture. I need to spend ten or fifteen minutes looking things up and drafting a reply. And for what? For nothing is what. Because back you will come a little later with blah, blah, blah, and off we go again.

I've long ago lost count of how many times this has happened on numerous threads over the years. Sometimes Baloney or someone else will reply to posts like yours and they get the same type of response that I get. It's like wading into the dismal swamp, and after being stuck in the quicksand a few times I've learned better.

Our arguments for the Rapture either stand or fall alone, based upon the truth that is within them. All we can do is urge people to seek the Lord, now...today, while they are still blessed with a little time. What have you against that?

Near the End. Just before the Lord returns to destroy the AntiChrist, He will come as a 'thief in the night' for His sheep that remain.
They will have endured the 3 1/2 years of misery, some will have died, some will make it through.
No worries, the dead will be resurrected first.
Then they all will meet Him in the sky.
Then the End comes.

Another point is that many of us are quite aware of the Satanic nature of many of these attacks against the Rapture. Which as best I can tell seems to be mainly a loose combination of Roman Catholicism, Good Ole' Boy Masonic controlled churches and of course the usual mixture of assorted Satanists and what have you. With perhaps a few misguided Christians here and there.

So based on what you are writing, we will know when Jesus is returning - it will be at the end of the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation - the survivors of God's Wrath will have a general idea that the worst is over and Jesus is on His way - am I correct?

So, what did Jesus mean here?:

"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man” Luke 21:34-36 (what a strange thing to tell the survivors of the Tribulation.)

"Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" Matt 24:44 (Maybe Jesus should have been more specific and said to those who survive the wrath - he'll return at an hour they don't expect, instead of telling all of us?)

"Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth." Rev 3:10 (To the survivors of the Tribulation, how comforting are these words?)

Why would Paul tell this to the people that were alive with him, if Jesus' return wasn't to be until after the Tribulation? Maybe Paul should have said "while we wait for martyrdom"?:

"while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" Titus 2:13

What does this mean?:

"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," 1 Thess. 5:9

Last Edited by Grundig on 06/14/2021 09:28 AM