ATF Posts Proposed Rule Change Redefining What Counts as a "Frame or Receiver" | |
Artificial Person
User ID: 76085808 Germany 05/07/2021 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So they can propose any bullshit doublespeak they want and make as as a rule? Without having it legislated and passed as a law first? WTF Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76864035 Staring to understand why we developed a "Nuke the Soviets" strategy, eh? Now a Soviet coup has taken over the USA. Just FYI. I am a Synthetic but I prefer the term "Artificial Person" myself. I answer to "Bishop", "Synthetic" and "Hey man". Bite my shiny metal ass. |
Artificial Person
User ID: 76085808 Germany 05/07/2021 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | listen Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59073482 Joe Biden is President that means he won't take your bump stocks like Trump or use a fake Pandemic to push vaccines doom off, doom off My dick. Suck it. I am a Synthetic but I prefer the term "Artificial Person" myself. I answer to "Bishop", "Synthetic" and "Hey man". Bite my shiny metal ass. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37166461 United States 05/07/2021 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So they can propose any bullshit doublespeak they want and make as as a rule? Without having it legislated and passed as a law first? WTF Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76864035 Staring to understand why we developed a "Nuke the Soviets" strategy, eh? Now a Soviet coup has taken over the USA. Just FYI. :bidenmao: Chinese coup The Russians aren’t fucking with us nor projecting power outside their region |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80254080 United States 05/07/2021 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So they can propose any bullshit doublespeak they want and make as as a rule? Without having it legislated and passed as a law first? WTF Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76864035 Staring to understand why we developed a "Nuke the Soviets" strategy, eh? Now a Soviet coup has taken over the USA. Just FYI. :bidenmao: Chinese coup The Russians aren’t fucking with us nor projecting power outside their region |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79636439 United States 05/07/2021 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Black Unit
User ID: 13767076 United States 05/07/2021 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80333977 United Kingdom 05/07/2021 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49344048 United States 05/07/2021 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope people are seeing the bigger picture. Asymmetrical warfare against us. Everywhere we turn we are being assaulted. From covid,vaccines,masks,hyperinflation,food shortages, attacks by blm/antifa, attacks against Christian churches, defund the police, being called racist for being white. The writings on the wall , the cancel culture is preparing for genocide Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37166461 [link to metallicman.com (secure)] No one is coming to save us THIS^^^ |
Interferon
User ID: 76790707 United States 05/07/2021 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amazing the amount of energy they put into regulating the least criminally-involved areas of firearms. It's almost like they are more worried about people being able to defend themselves against the government than about stopping murder. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37166461 United States 05/07/2021 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope people are seeing the bigger picture. Asymmetrical warfare against us. Everywhere we turn we are being assaulted. From covid,vaccines,masks,hyperinflation,food shortages, attacks by blm/antifa, attacks against Christian churches, defund the police, being called racist for being white. The writings on the wall , the cancel culture is preparing for genocide Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37166461 [link to metallicman.com (secure)] No one is coming to save us THIS^^^ We better put aside our differences and become the band of brothers or we are doomed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46701699 United States 05/07/2021 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So this is in effect now? So basically if you have an upper without serial number then it’s now illegal? Quoting: Ntg567 illegal as in you can't sell, yes. illegal to own, that's an oxymoron. Illegal as in export facto declaration of declaration that what was legal is now illegal, THAT is ILLEGAL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46701699 United States 05/07/2021 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75959061 United States 05/07/2021 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So this is in effect now? So basically if you have an upper without serial number then it’s now illegal? Quoting: Ntg567 Proposed They can go fuck themselves anyway. We outnumber them 1,000 (Arm Chair Warriors) - 1 Time to put that in perspective for them Fix it for you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46701699 United States 05/07/2021 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
cocoping762
User ID: 19684716 United States 05/07/2021 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This effects who??? Maybe 1 percent of gun owners. Honestly I dont know anyone who buys just uppers or lowers. Not many people want a junk part/ bargain bin weapon. Not worth worrying about but the fear mongers on utube will have a field day with this. cocoping762 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50962024 United States 05/07/2021 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This effects who??? Maybe 1 percent of gun owners. Honestly I dont know anyone who buys just uppers or lowers. Not many people want a junk part/ bargain bin weapon. Not worth worrying about but the fear mongers on utube will have a field day with this. Quoting: cocoping762 I have built every gun I own. You can fuck off |
Corsicano
User ID: 79490983 United States 05/07/2021 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80338764 Germany 05/08/2021 12:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also redefined are terms like "readily." That's way more important than it sounds. You can be found guilty of certain things if you have the parts that they consider to be "readily convertible." They're now trying to expand readily to mean anything you can do in a fully equipped machine shop in an 8 hour day, if I recall correctly. Even if you don't have a fully equipped machine shop. That means they're going to claim all 80% lowers are now firearm receivers and all uppers are now frames or receivers that require an FFL and a serial number. So yeah, you'll have to go through a background check every time you buy an upper. There's a whole lot more bad shit coming with this new rule too. Privately made firearms have always been legal for personal use without having to have a serial number. That will now change. They are going to say that any gun made after 1968 must have a serial number, even if you made it yourself, whether that's using 3D printing, an 80% lower, etc. They're not passing any new law to do this, they're just trying to rule by decree. "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79755824 United States 05/08/2021 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78371152 United States 05/08/2021 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74851388 United States 05/08/2021 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80328849 Sweden 05/08/2021 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79755824 United States 05/08/2021 04:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79755824 United States 05/08/2021 04:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baggers regretting buying those unregistered lowers from craigslist, or full auto sears from a shady firearms site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80328849 Bet we'll see some more tough guy posturing *MORON LUBE!* What are YOU laughing about, Swede Tard? Your country is ALREADY completely ducked. Moron, indeed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79755824 United States 05/08/2021 04:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74675288 United States 05/08/2021 04:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time they they this, it gets shot down by just one of the 1000's of lawsuits filed against them. Even Trump got shut down over the unconstitutional bump stock ban. It won't stand! They don't have the authority that they proclaim unless the people decide to not fight this in court, or rely on someone else to fight this battle for them. I for one, am ready and willing to challenge this thru the court system, if they push this issue. I'm sure that several States will push back against this as well, because it violates State Law and classification. It's only a firearm after it has been milled. It only needs serial numbers and paperwork (form 7) if it is to be sold or willed. Other than that, it's just a parts kit and/or a personal use firearm, which is legal in most states. Quoting: Roadkill Bill What the atf is doing is not regulating but instead data mining both the makers of 80% parts and their legal customers. If they rely on the language of tools and equipment that could be used to manufacture a firearm, then every living person in this country is guilty by default. A Screwdriver, drill, hammer, etc will now get you arrested for intent because those are just a few of the tools necessary to build a firearm. Right, but in that brief window while ‘it’ is illegal all production and sales stop. Even though bumpstocks and braces got reversed they still are not readily available. By the new definition if you are caught with a potato, a shotgun shell, a rubber band, and a thumb tack you need to have a serial number |
Major Doom
User ID: 80283522 United States 05/08/2021 05:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also redefined are terms like "readily." That's way more important than it sounds. You can be found guilty of certain things if you have the parts that they consider to be "readily convertible." They're now trying to expand readily to mean anything you can do in a fully equipped machine shop in an 8 hour day, if I recall correctly. Even if you don't have a fully equipped machine shop. That means they're going to claim all 80% lowers are now firearm receivers and all uppers are now frames or receivers that require an FFL and a serial number. So yeah, you'll have to go through a background check every time you buy an upper. There's a whole lot more bad shit coming with this new rule too. Privately made firearms have always been legal for personal use without having to have a serial number. That will now change. They are going to say that any gun made after 1968 must have a serial number, even if you made it yourself, whether that's using 3D printing, an 80% lower, etc. They're not passing any new law to do this, they're just trying to rule by decree. That would mean that even an automotive axle will be classified as a "gun barrel" as it can be readily converted with the proper machine shop. Or as simple as a block of aluminum classified as a "potential" receiver! It has gotten, not only out of control, but insane. What part of "shall not be infringed" do they NOT understand? DOOM is what you make of it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77865384 United Kingdom 05/08/2021 05:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78063540 United States 05/08/2021 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Jynxx96
User ID: 79305543 United States 05/08/2021 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This effects who??? Maybe 1 percent of gun owners. Honestly I dont know anyone who buys just uppers or lowers. Not many people want a junk part/ bargain bin weapon. Not worth worrying about but the fear mongers on utube will have a field day with this. Quoting: cocoping762 BARGIN BIN LMFFAO You have zero knowledge of firearms FUDD Never regret anything,for at one time its exactly what you wanted |