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ATF Posts Proposed Rule Change Redefining What Counts as a "Frame or Receiver"

 
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So they can propose any bullshit doublespeak they want and make as as a rule? Without having it legislated and passed as a law first? WTF
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Staring to understand why we developed a "Nuke the Soviets" strategy, eh?
Now a Soviet coup has taken over the USA.
Just FYI.
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listen


Joe Biden is President


that means he won't take your bump stocks like Trump

or use a fake Pandemic to push vaccines


doom off, doom off
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My dick.
Suck it.
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So they can propose any bullshit doublespeak they want and make as as a rule? Without having it legislated and passed as a law first? WTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76864035


Staring to understand why we developed a "Nuke the Soviets" strategy, eh?
Now a Soviet coup has taken over the USA.
Just FYI.
:bidenmao:
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Chinese coup


The Russians aren’t fucking with us nor projecting power outside their region
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So they can propose any bullshit doublespeak they want and make as as a rule? Without having it legislated and passed as a law first? WTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76864035


Staring to understand why we developed a "Nuke the Soviets" strategy, eh?
Now a Soviet coup has taken over the USA.
Just FYI.
:bidenmao:
 Quoting: Artificial Person


Chinese coup


The Russians aren’t fucking with us nor projecting power outside their region
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hesright
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05/07/2021 10:09 PM
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Come try to receive my receiver or frame and watch what happens. ATF should be the name of a convenience store, not a government agency. Fuck you, ATF.
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Pffft

I stopped paying attention to what the ATF said 20 years ago
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shall not be infringed
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I hope people are seeing the bigger picture. Asymmetrical warfare against us. Everywhere we turn we are being assaulted. From covid,vaccines,masks,hyperinflation,food shortages, attacks by blm/antifa, attacks against Christian churches, defund the police, being called racist for being white. The writings on the wall , the cancel culture is preparing for genocide

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THIS^^^bumpbumpbump
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hesright
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Amazing the amount of energy they put into regulating the least criminally-involved areas of firearms.

It's almost like they are more worried about people being able to defend themselves against the government than about stopping murder.
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I hope people are seeing the bigger picture. Asymmetrical warfare against us. Everywhere we turn we are being assaulted. From covid,vaccines,masks,hyperinflation,food shortages, attacks by blm/antifa, attacks against Christian churches, defund the police, being called racist for being white. The writings on the wall , the cancel culture is preparing for genocide

[link to metallicman.com (secure)]


No one is coming to save us
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THIS^^^bumpbumpbump
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hesright
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We better put aside our differences and become the band of brothers or we are doomed.

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So this is in effect now? So basically if you have an upper without serial number then it’s now illegal?
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illegal as in you can't sell, yes. illegal to own, that's an oxymoron.
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Illegal as in export facto declaration of declaration that what was legal is now illegal,
THAT is ILLEGAL
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shall not be infringed
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No ex post facto laws are legal,

If they can declare anything you owned obtained illegal now then you're gonna get funded out of EVERYTHING!
It won't stop
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So this is in effect now? So basically if you have an upper without serial number then it’s now illegal?
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Proposed


They can go fuck themselves anyway. We outnumber them 1,000 (Arm Chair Warriors) - 1


Time to put that in perspective for them
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Fix it for you.
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America's dead and you may as well get used to that fact.
You should understand who's responsible.
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This effects who??? Maybe 1 percent of gun owners. Honestly I dont know anyone who buys just uppers or lowers. Not many people want a junk part/ bargain bin weapon. Not worth worrying about but the fear mongers on utube will have a field day with this.
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This effects who??? Maybe 1 percent of gun owners. Honestly I dont know anyone who buys just uppers or lowers. Not many people want a junk part/ bargain bin weapon. Not worth worrying about but the fear mongers on utube will have a field day with this.
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I have built every gun I own.

You can fuck off
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What part of the U.S. Constitution describes the ATF being formed and what their powers would be?
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Also redefined are terms like "readily." That's way more important than it sounds. You can be found guilty of certain things if you have the parts that they consider to be "readily convertible." They're now trying to expand readily to mean anything you can do in a fully equipped machine shop in an 8 hour day, if I recall correctly. Even if you don't have a fully equipped machine shop. That means they're going to claim all 80% lowers are now firearm receivers and all uppers are now frames or receivers that require an FFL and a serial number. So yeah, you'll have to go through a background check every time you buy an upper.

There's a whole lot more bad shit coming with this new rule too. Privately made firearms have always been legal for personal use without having to have a serial number. That will now change. They are going to say that any gun made after 1968 must have a serial number, even if you made it yourself, whether that's using 3D printing, an 80% lower, etc. They're not passing any new law to do this, they're just trying to rule by decree.
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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

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What part of the U.S. Constitution describes the ATF being formed and what their powers would be?
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The ATF (and other federal "police" forces) are unconstitutional and illegal.
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Government can neither give, nor take away your GOD-given Right to keep and bear arms.

It SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

The ATF can fuck off.
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We are well beyond gun laws now.
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Baggers regretting buying those unregistered lowers from craigslist, or full auto sears from a shady firearms site.

Bet we'll see some more tough guy posturing

*MORON LUBE!*

lmao
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Amazing the amount of energy they put into regulating the least criminally-involved areas of firearms.

It's almost like they are more worried about people being able to defend themselves against the government than about stopping murder.
 Quoting: Interferon


Almost???
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Baggers regretting buying those unregistered lowers from craigslist, or full auto sears from a shady firearms site.

Bet we'll see some more tough guy posturing

*MORON LUBE!*

lmao
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What are YOU laughing about, Swede Tard?

Your country is ALREADY completely ducked.

Moron, indeed.
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What part of the U.S. Constitution describes the ATF being formed and what their powers would be?
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Funny, isn't it?

Because the Constitution is ALL about LIMITING government power, and guaranteeing your rights.
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Every time they they this, it gets shot down by just one of the 1000's of lawsuits filed against them. Even Trump got shut down over the unconstitutional bump stock ban. It won't stand! They don't have the authority that they proclaim unless the people decide to not fight this in court, or rely on someone else to fight this battle for them. I for one, am ready and willing to challenge this thru the court system, if they push this issue. I'm sure that several States will push back against this as well, because it violates State Law and classification. It's only a firearm after it has been milled. It only needs serial numbers and paperwork (form 7) if it is to be sold or willed. Other than that, it's just a parts kit and/or a personal use firearm, which is legal in most states.

What the atf is doing is not regulating but instead data mining both the makers of 80% parts and their legal customers. If they rely on the language of tools and equipment that could be used to manufacture a firearm, then every living person in this country is guilty by default. A Screwdriver, drill, hammer, etc will now get you arrested for intent because those are just a few of the tools necessary to build a firearm.
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Right, but in that brief window while ‘it’ is illegal all production and sales stop. Even though bumpstocks and braces got reversed they still are not readily available. By the new definition if you are caught with a potato, a shotgun shell, a rubber band, and a thumb tack you need to have a serial number
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Also redefined are terms like "readily." That's way more important than it sounds. You can be found guilty of certain things if you have the parts that they consider to be "readily convertible." They're now trying to expand readily to mean anything you can do in a fully equipped machine shop in an 8 hour day, if I recall correctly. Even if you don't have a fully equipped machine shop. That means they're going to claim all 80% lowers are now firearm receivers and all uppers are now frames or receivers that require an FFL and a serial number. So yeah, you'll have to go through a background check every time you buy an upper.

There's a whole lot more bad shit coming with this new rule too. Privately made firearms have always been legal for personal use without having to have a serial number. That will now change. They are going to say that any gun made after 1968 must have a serial number, even if you made it yourself, whether that's using 3D printing, an 80% lower, etc. They're not passing any new law to do this, they're just trying to rule by decree.
 Quoting: Astromut


That would mean that even an automotive axle will be classified as a "gun barrel" as it can be readily converted with the proper machine shop. Or as simple as a block of aluminum classified as a "potential" receiver! It has gotten, not only out of control, but insane.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do they NOT understand?
DOOM is what you make of it.
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Re: ATF Posts Proposed Rule Change Redefining What Counts as a "Frame or Receiver"
so what

you cunnys only diddle your botholes with your guns anyway

you don't do shit to preserve liberty with them twats that you are
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Re: ATF Posts Proposed Rule Change Redefining What Counts as a "Frame or Receiver"
so what

you cunnys only diddle your botholes with your guns anyway

you don't do shit to preserve liberty with them twats that you are
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77865384


Don't need to.
Everyone will be grandfathered in,
OR
We just build our own 'guns' denying them jurisdiction.
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This effects who??? Maybe 1 percent of gun owners. Honestly I dont know anyone who buys just uppers or lowers. Not many people want a junk part/ bargain bin weapon. Not worth worrying about but the fear mongers on utube will have a field day with this.
 Quoting: cocoping762


BARGIN BIN LMFFAO

You have zero knowledge of firearms FUDD
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