Snowden: plan B (April 14, 2021) | |
Agent 99
User ID: 77082640 United States 04/21/2021 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, 99 and I -- though friends -- often disagree. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum This would be one of those things we politely disagree on. We have many common interests though, so... I don't take any difference of opinion to heart. 99, how do you feel about Assange? Same or different? Pamela Anderson tho! Guy's got it going on. Now he's frail. they broke him. His intentions weren't the same as Snowden thief/patsy. Assange the blond, same as Geert Wilders goals and objectives. |
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Agent 99
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, 99 and I -- though friends -- often disagree. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum This would be one of those things we politely disagree on. We have many common interests though, so... I don't take any difference of opinion to heart. 99, how do you feel about Assange? Same or different? Pamela Anderson tho! Guy's got it going on. Now he's frail. they broke him. His intentions weren't the same as Snowden thief/patsy. Assange the blond, same as Geert Wilders goals and objectives. He was weak from start, never had the ingredient needed for taking on the System. Even the way he chosen to get in the eye of the System, was a fail. Everything else that followed, was a domino, created by him and only himself. |
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Agent 99
User ID: 77082640 United States 04/21/2021 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Digital Signature... big whoop. That's the nature of Digital Society. ugh. Snowden is an asshole. Quoting: Agent 99 He never did anything to piss in MY corn flakes. The government and NSA however... He's a Gemini. ugh. lol NSA is looking for bad guys, they don't care what we do in our personal lives. There isn't some scheme to eat our brains for nutrition. There is already capability to read our minds via satellite without digital devices, that is reserved for very few. If someone wants to know something they will know it. Snowden crime is 20 years old already, the shit he stole is obsolete. Shame that he was hired to streamline the system and that grant money was lost and the chore never completed, which endangered our service men and weakened our government. Who was he working for? are you sure about that mind reading thing? because I can just think about something I want to splurge on, and it becomes a targeted ad for a month. ABSOLUTELY. It's used for higher purpose in military intelligence. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75731318 United States 04/21/2021 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyway, 99 and I -- though friends -- often disagree. Quoting: Builder of the Adytum This would be one of those things we politely disagree on. We have many common interests though, so... I don't take any difference of opinion to heart. 99, how do you feel about Assange? Same or different? Pamela Anderson tho! Guy's got it going on. Now he's frail. they broke him. His intentions weren't the same as Snowden thief/patsy. Assange the blond, same as Geert Wilders goals and objectives. Met her once...when she was with Kid Rock. He was there, too. He's kind of a friend of a friend. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Builder of the Adytum He never did anything to piss in MY corn flakes. The government and NSA however... He's a Gemini. ugh. lol NSA is looking for bad guys, they don't care what we do in our personal lives. There isn't some scheme to eat our brains for nutrition. There is already capability to read our minds via satellite without digital devices, that is reserved for very few. If someone wants to know something they will know it. Snowden crime is 20 years old already, the shit he stole is obsolete. Shame that he was hired to streamline the system and that grant money was lost and the chore never completed, which endangered our service men and weakened our government. Who was he working for? are you sure about that mind reading thing? because I can just think about something I want to splurge on, and it becomes a targeted ad for a month. ABSOLUTELY. It's used for higher purpose in military intelligence. It will sound very common, but not all minds, the minds that can be read, are minds like those now that are full into the Pandemic, for example. |
Agent 99
User ID: 77082640 United States 04/21/2021 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Agent 99 He's a Gemini. ugh. lol NSA is looking for bad guys, they don't care what we do in our personal lives. There isn't some scheme to eat our brains for nutrition. There is already capability to read our minds via satellite without digital devices, that is reserved for very few. If someone wants to know something they will know it. Snowden crime is 20 years old already, the shit he stole is obsolete. Shame that he was hired to streamline the system and that grant money was lost and the chore never completed, which endangered our service men and weakened our government. Who was he working for? are you sure about that mind reading thing? because I can just think about something I want to splurge on, and it becomes a targeted ad for a month. ABSOLUTELY. It's used for higher purpose in military intelligence. It will sound very common, but not all minds, the minds that can be read, are minds like those now that are full into the Pandemic, for example. All minds can be read. All minds aren't worth reading. Who wants what information? What is of value? Who has the DNA to back it up? But that still wasn't the purpose that Snowden wanted to expose. He just wanted to have a pissing contest with possession factors. The information of value isn't used for POWER, it's used for knowledge. Snowden wasn't qualified to determine what knowledge is or it's value. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78052087 04/21/2021 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58312960 are you sure about that mind reading thing? because I can just think about something I want to splurge on, and it becomes a targeted ad for a month. ABSOLUTELY. It's used for higher purpose in military intelligence. It will sound very common, but not all minds, the minds that can be read, are minds like those now that are full into the Pandemic, for example. All minds can be read. All minds aren't worth reading. Who wants what information? What is of value? Who has the DNA to back it up? But that still wasn't the purpose that Snowden wanted to expose. He just wanted to have a pissing contest with possession factors. The information of value isn't used for POWER, it's used for knowledge. Snowden wasn't qualified to determine what knowledge is or it's value. He's not completely ignorant, and I think he is well-spoken. Has he made some bad judgment calls? Yes. But so did I -- many more when I was younger. If I were him, I wouldn't trust his present hosts entirely, but he doesn't necessarily have a lot of options at the moment. |
brokenhalo
User ID: 79735232 United States 04/21/2021 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, this isn't as bad as an idea as people make it out to be. There's no need to tie provenance to an actual persons identity - all you need is to know is that some device actually captured (or produced) said content. Example: Camera phone captures picture, but how do we know its not a deepfake or altered? The chip the camera has (or the phone) a digitally encrypted certificate (much like you have when you encrypt email) that signs the photo when its captured - proving authenticity. You don't need to know who owns the phone, just that the device is certifying that the photo is how it was captured. In fact, cell phones and cameras are traded all the time, so attempting to trace provenance to an actual user of the device is problematic at best. OEM's have no clue who actually buys the device (when they assign the device a digital certificate). The concept is much like generating a digital certificate for yourself (or any fake identity that you choose) and using it sign and encrypt emails with. The certificate doesn't NEED to have your personal info in it. It can, and it often does, but it doesn't NEED it. I will grant that this could definitely be abused, and I haven't read the entire standard OP references. But in a world of deepfakes, propaganda (from our own US media), disinformation and COINTELPRO happening from every major country on the planet - verifying authenticity of content seems like a pretty good idea as long as our privacy is not invaded in the process (and I don't think it has to be in order to make this work). I'm a Cyperpunk - Ask me what it means sometime. ------- “All the speed he took, all the turns he'd taken and the corners he'd cut in Night City, and still he'd see the matrix in his sleep, bright lattices of logic unfolding across that colorless void...” -- William Gibson, Neuromancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78052087 04/21/2021 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, this isn't as bad as an idea as people make it out to be. There's no need to tie provenance to an actual persons identity - all you need is to know is that some device actually captured (or produced) said content. Quoting: brokenhalo Example: Camera phone captures picture, but how do we know its not a deepfake or altered? The chip the camera has (or the phone) a digitally encrypted certificate (much like you have when you encrypt email) that signs the photo when its captured - proving authenticity. You don't need to know who owns the phone, just that the device is certifying that the photo is how it was captured. In fact, cell phones and cameras are traded all the time, so attempting to trace provenance to an actual user of the device is problematic at best. OEM's have no clue who actually buys the device (when they assign the device a digital certificate). The concept is much like generating a digital certificate for yourself (or any fake identity that you choose) and using it sign and encrypt emails with. The certificate doesn't NEED to have your personal info in it. It can, and it often does, but it doesn't NEED it. I will grant that this could definitely be abused, and I haven't read the entire standard OP references. But in a world of deepfakes, propaganda (from our own US media), disinformation and COINTELPRO happening from every major country on the planet - verifying authenticity of content seems like a pretty good idea as long as our privacy is not invaded in the process (and I don't think it has to be in order to make this work). If it can be abused, it will be. Zero trust. |
Artificial Person
User ID: 76541596 France 04/21/2021 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is a good step towards disinformation, regardless what they will paint as disinformation, a society under law and order, is a healthy society, the rest can go and live underneath for all that anyone cares, with the mice and rats or up on the mountains far away from those that want to go there for entertainment of course. 5 Stars OP, thanks for posting it. The people who will decide what "disinformation" is thought Hillary should have been President in 2016, backed, designed, and applied the Biden coup of 2020, tried to frame Trump on a dozen fake charges, and think the only thing wrong with the NSA, CIA, FBI, and IRS is that they don't have ENOUGH power. I am a Synthetic but I prefer the term "Artificial Person" myself. I answer to "Bishop", "Synthetic" and "Hey man". Bite my shiny metal ass. |
/7oo7/
User ID: 80264120 United States 04/21/2021 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's always fascinating observing .gov dependents bend and twist and heave as they try to rationalize the comfort of their ever tightening chains. Plantation house slaves had the same arguments. Oh well. Let the beatings continue until morale improves Last Edited by /7oo7/ on 04/21/2021 01:09 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58312960 are you sure about that mind reading thing? because I can just think about something I want to splurge on, and it becomes a targeted ad for a month. ABSOLUTELY. It's used for higher purpose in military intelligence. It will sound very common, but not all minds, the minds that can be read, are minds like those now that are full into the Pandemic, for example. All minds can be read. All minds aren't worth reading. Who wants what information? What is of value? Who has the DNA to back it up? But that still wasn't the purpose that Snowden wanted to expose. He just wanted to have a pissing contest with possession factors. The information of value isn't used for POWER, it's used for knowledge. Snowden wasn't qualified to determine what knowledge is or it's value. That, what you wrote is totally right and congratulations also, it shows a deeper understanding of how the chess is played, though it is just a chess and the players only possess special characteristics that despite the fact of impacting the mass, they are still only that, a chess in an arena of special fools. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, this isn't as bad as an idea as people make it out to be. There's no need to tie provenance to an actual persons identity - all you need is to know is that some device actually captured (or produced) said content. Quoting: brokenhalo Example: Camera phone captures picture, but how do we know its not a deepfake or altered? The chip the camera has (or the phone) a digitally encrypted certificate (much like you have when you encrypt email) that signs the photo when its captured - proving authenticity. You don't need to know who owns the phone, just that the device is certifying that the photo is how it was captured. In fact, cell phones and cameras are traded all the time, so attempting to trace provenance to an actual user of the device is problematic at best. OEM's have no clue who actually buys the device (when they assign the device a digital certificate). The concept is much like generating a digital certificate for yourself (or any fake identity that you choose) and using it sign and encrypt emails with. The certificate doesn't NEED to have your personal info in it. It can, and it often does, but it doesn't NEED it. I will grant that this could definitely be abused, and I haven't read the entire standard OP references. But in a world of deepfakes, propaganda (from our own US media), disinformation and COINTELPRO happening from every major country on the planet - verifying authenticity of content seems like a pretty good idea as long as our privacy is not invaded in the process (and I don't think it has to be in order to make this work). If it can be abused, it will be. Zero trust. Totally. And that is why the rules of the game are going to change. Or maybe to be more precise, an attempt for changing the rules of the game, is taking place, behind the scenes. |
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Tuko
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By disseminating this info, desired outcome will be achieved without implementing the necessary infrastructure. Isn't it neat? hahahahaahahaha, classical way of doing it quickly in an environment that is already ready to take everything as normal, it is hilarious actually, since someone could allegedly say that he is working for them, on behalf of them. |
Agent 99
User ID: 77082640 United States 04/21/2021 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will sound very common, but not all minds, the minds that can be read, are minds like those now that are full into the Pandemic, for example. All minds can be read. All minds aren't worth reading. Who wants what information? What is of value? Who has the DNA to back it up? But that still wasn't the purpose that Snowden wanted to expose. He just wanted to have a pissing contest with possession factors. The information of value isn't used for POWER, it's used for knowledge. Snowden wasn't qualified to determine what knowledge is or it's value. He's not completely ignorant, and I think he is well-spoken. Has he made some bad judgment calls? Yes. But so did I -- many more when I was younger. If I were him, I wouldn't trust his present hosts entirely, but he doesn't necessarily have a lot of options at the moment. I agree. He's an intelligent guy. Passed the tests way faster than lots of people. But computing does something to these IT guys brains. They start to think in code and they can't reason anymore. But here's the thing. If he was chosen as the patsy, by his own application, he knew what he was getting into, then midway he said "fuck it" and betrayed his handler/host then he was thrown to the wolves, deservingly. There is no recovery from that. And they will do it to him again and again, like jail rape. I feel bad for him, but yeah, he chose poorly. |
Agent 99
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80269655 It will sound very common, but not all minds, the minds that can be read, are minds like those now that are full into the Pandemic, for example. All minds can be read. All minds aren't worth reading. Who wants what information? What is of value? Who has the DNA to back it up? But that still wasn't the purpose that Snowden wanted to expose. He just wanted to have a pissing contest with possession factors. The information of value isn't used for POWER, it's used for knowledge. Snowden wasn't qualified to determine what knowledge is or it's value. He's not completely ignorant, and I think he is well-spoken. Has he made some bad judgment calls? Yes. But so did I -- many more when I was younger. If I were him, I wouldn't trust his present hosts entirely, but he doesn't necessarily have a lot of options at the moment. I agree. He's an intelligent guy. Passed the tests way faster than lots of people. But computing does something to these IT guys brains. They start to think in code and they can't reason anymore. But here's the thing. If he was chosen as the patsy, by his own application, he knew what he was getting into, then midway he said "fuck it" and betrayed his handler/host then he was thrown to the wolves, deservingly. There is no recovery from that. And they will do it to him again and again, like jail rape. I feel bad for him, but yeah, he chose poorly. IT guys are a fading future asset, AI can do it far more quickly and with far less errors, close to zero, if not zero shortly, because all errors are a human characteristic, when the input has no human hand, just the general idea, then the output will be bulletproof. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is a good step towards disinformation, regardless what they will paint as disinformation, a society under law and order, is a healthy society, the rest can go and live underneath for all that anyone cares, with the mice and rats or up on the mountains far away from those that want to go there for entertainment of course. 5 Stars OP, thanks for posting it. The people who will decide what "disinformation" is thought Hillary should have been President in 2016, backed, designed, and applied the Biden coup of 2020, tried to frame Trump on a dozen fake charges, and think the only thing wrong with the NSA, CIA, FBI, and IRS is that they don't have ENOUGH power. See? you come to the previous words written, what can possibly go wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80269655 Andorra 04/21/2021 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep all in mind: Bill Gates is the hidden Admin on your computer, and we all know how ruthless he is. I have disabled my Windows Update function, for good reasons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80268347 hahahahahahahahaha, ok, you are safe now, keep also a safe distance from the computer, you never know. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72497887 United States 04/21/2021 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Digital Signature... big whoop. That's the nature of Digital Society. ugh. Snowden is an asshole. Quoting: Agent 99 He never did anything to piss in MY corn flakes. The government and NSA however... Every American was told by Mainstream news in 2008 leading up to the Beijing Summer Olympics that their cell phone could be remotely turned on by the Chinese CCP and used as an eavesdropping deVICE. CNN, CBS, NBC and the like were instructing Americans headed to the Chinese Olympics that they NEEDED To Remove The Batteries From Their Phones! 6yrs later libtards begin to tell me that thanks to Snowden they are aware that Big Gov can use cell phones to eavesdrop. They have the memory of goldfish. Woke AF. All the World is a stage. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80268347 Germany 04/21/2021 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep all in mind: Bill Gates is the hidden Admin on your computer, and we all know how ruthless he is. I have disabled my Windows Update function, for good reasons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80268347 hahahahahahahahaha, ok, you are safe now, keep also a safe distance from the computer, you never know. Ya ok, I know. Not really a protection. But even a rotten wooden shield is better than nothing. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79688307 United States 04/21/2021 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Digital Signature... big whoop. That's the nature of Digital Society. ugh. Snowden is an asshole. Quoting: Agent 99 He never did anything to piss in MY corn flakes. The government and NSA however... Every American was told by Mainstream news in 2008 leading up to the Beijing Summer Olympics that their cell phone could be remotely turned on by the Chinese CCP and used as an eavesdropping deVICE. CNN, CBS, NBC and the like were instructing Americans headed to the Chinese Olympics that they NEEDED To Remove The Batteries From Their Phones! 6yrs later libtards begin to tell me that thanks to Snowden they are aware that Big Gov can use cell phones to eavesdrop. They have the memory of goldfish. Woke AF. All the World is a stage. Ok, but all the more reason to not crucify Snowden if that cat really was already out of the bag. And I generally agree with you regarding liberals. (No, I am definitely not one. Somewhere to the right of Genghiz Khan, I think.) |