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Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts

 
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Somebody square this circle for me .... testimony was GF's arterial blood gas was 98% oxygen explicitly stated in testimony to refute notion of carbon monoxide poisoning testimony of the defense ME witness (South African).

But the pulmonologist said the prone position plus restraint of Officer Chauvin and others on top of GF reduced oxygen in take by 40+% .

In my mind these facts don't square unless GF was resuccitated alive in ambulance responding to life saving CPR and medical treatment.
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I didn't understand that either. Anyone else can explain this?
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


They most likely gave him oxygen supplementation during CPR.

Also, I’d he died of carbon monoxide poisoning his spO2 would be normal.

I hope the critical care nurse on the jury sees through the prosecution’s BS “science”.
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Sorry, but that jury room is going to be brutal.

Probably with one, maybe two that have enough integrity to see reasonable doubt enough to acquit.

Some of them want to just go home in peace and saftey so, what ever the majority wants, that is where their vote will be.

A few, are just biased from the get go as to the guilt of the defendant and no facts can change that. (Some for some against.)

The rest just frigging scared for their lives and their families.

Anyone holding out for real justice in this jury pool will be pressured beyond belief to bring about the justice that the mob demands.
 Quoting: Reebl


I don't understand why people so frightened would even be on the jury. It's pretty easy to answer initial questions in a way to get yourself struck/dismissed as a potential juror- just present yourself as prejudiced in some way- against cops, already knowing things about Floyd's criminal background that has prejudiced you in that way, that it is against you beliefs to judge your fellow man in any way, etc.
 Quoting: SonyaDV



I watched the Jury selection. Also, whole trial.

Based on answers some potential jurists gave. I'm convinced a few went in with possible lucrative book deals in mind. Or hefty interview fees from MSM.



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Sorry, but that jury room is going to be brutal.

Probably with one, maybe two that have enough integrity to see reasonable doubt enough to acquit.

Some of them want to just go home in peace and saftey so, what ever the majority wants, that is where their vote will be.

A few, are just biased from the get go as to the guilt of the defendant and no facts can change that. (Some for some against.)

The rest just frigging scared for their lives and their families.

Anyone holding out for real justice in this jury pool will be pressured beyond belief to bring about the justice that the mob demands.
 Quoting: Reebl


I don't understand why people so frightened would even be on the jury. It's pretty easy to answer initial questions in a way to get yourself struck/dismissed as a potential juror- just present yourself as prejudiced in some way- against cops, already knowing things about Floyd's criminal background that has prejudiced you in that way, that it is against you beliefs to judge your fellow man in any way, etc.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


I was called for jury duty several years ago. A juror said he was biased in favor of police because he had a friend or family member that was a cop. After that just about every juror used the same line.

It was funny to watch. At the same time I felt a bit disgusted. I get wanting to get out of serving. But if you don’t then the accused may get a less than fair trial.

I should note this was just a regular trial. I completely understand not wanting to serve on this jury.
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Sorry, but that jury room is going to be brutal.

Probably with one, maybe two that have enough integrity to see reasonable doubt enough to acquit.

Some of them want to just go home in peace and saftey so, what ever the majority wants, that is where their vote will be.

A few, are just biased from the get go as to the guilt of the defendant and no facts can change that. (Some for some against.)

The rest just frigging scared for their lives and their families.

Anyone holding out for real justice in this jury pool will be pressured beyond belief to bring about the justice that the mob demands.
 Quoting: Reebl


I don't understand why people so frightened would even be on the jury. It's pretty easy to answer initial questions in a way to get yourself struck/dismissed as a potential juror- just present yourself as prejudiced in some way- against cops, already knowing things about Floyd's criminal background that has prejudiced you in that way, that it is against you beliefs to judge your fellow man in any way, etc.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


I watched the Jury selection. Also, whole trial.

Based on answers some potential jurists gave. I'm convinced a few went in with possible lucrative book deals in mind. Or hefty interview fees from MSM.



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 Quoting: DestinyAKA-Des


I bet those will vote for conviction on all counts probably. Difficult to be interviewed and risk your identity as a juror in a nation that's on fire.
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If the store clerk who thought Floyd’s $20.00 looked phony, had refused to accept it, like he did with Morries Hall’s $20.00.

If Morries Hall or Floyd had given a good $20.00 to the store clerks when they went out to the car and demanded it.

If Floyd, who had offered the girl a ride home while in the store, and she wanted to go home, had started driving away after leaving the store instead of all three gabbing for 5 minutes and then Floyd falls asleep in the car while the girl takes a phone call, leaving them still there when police arrive.

If the cops had treated the phony $20 like the white collar crime it was and not pulled guns on Floyd as if they were apprehending a murderer,

A death would have been prevented and Chauvin would not be on trial and facing prison.
 Quoting: 936432979


The policy for the grocery store is any cashier that accepts a fake bill will "supposedly" have to pay for it themselves-- hence why the police were called. Let it also be known the initial dispatch to police was not just for a counterfit $20, but also 'appearance of being under the influence". That was highlighted yesterday in closing arguments. If the cashier pointed this out on 911 call-- then that only tells you how much under the influence he was when he walked into the store. The problem didnt start with the $20 bill-- the problem started with drug use or maybe none of this would have happened. "this is your brain.. this is your brain on drugs" The picture of Floyd in a suit followed by the video of him dying should actually be the new "say no to drugs" campaign, but instead this was contorted into some kind of racist action as an excuse for the outcome.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Don’t remember testimony about under the influence being included in call to police. The judge did remind the jury that assertions made during closing arguments are not to be considered evidence.

The store clerk testified he initially planned to just replace the bill if it really was phony, then changed his mind and reported it to the store manager, who insisted they try to get Floyd to make it good, and when that didn’t work, called the police. The store manager did not accept or want the clerk to replace the phony $20 with his own money.
And after this testimony the store issued a statement that employees are NOT required to pay back phony bills if they accept them. So maybe it was an unofficial policy or threat, to motivate employees to be more vigilant of counterfeit bills.
 Quoting: 936432979


The 911 transcript and the 911 dispatch data had the initial call as "under the influence". Below I am posting the first 4 exchanges from the transcript of the actual 911 call.

Operator: 911 what's the address of the emergency?
Caller: This is ah 3759 Chicago Ave.

Operator: How can I help you?
Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.
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Sorry, but that jury room is going to be brutal.

Probably with one, maybe two that have enough integrity to see reasonable doubt enough to acquit.

Some of them want to just go home in peace and saftey so, what ever the majority wants, that is where their vote will be.

A few, are just biased from the get go as to the guilt of the defendant and no facts can change that. (Some for some against.)

The rest just frigging scared for their lives and their families.

Anyone holding out for real justice in this jury pool will be pressured beyond belief to bring about the justice that the mob demands.
 Quoting: Reebl


I don't understand why people so frightened would even be on the jury. It's pretty easy to answer initial questions in a way to get yourself struck/dismissed as a potential juror- just present yourself as prejudiced in some way- against cops, already knowing things about Floyd's criminal background that has prejudiced you in that way, that it is against you beliefs to judge your fellow man in any way, etc.
 Quoting: SonyaDV



I watched the Jury selection. Also, whole trial.

Based on answers some potential jurists gave. I'm convinced a few went in with possible lucrative book deals in mind. Or hefty interview fees from MSM.



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 Quoting: DestinyAKA-Des

I, Agree completely, biggest opportunity in a lifetime.

Like a musical one hit wonder, bleed it for years.
 Quoting: Reebl



Some will probably be as Guest Panelists, on CNN, for years to come, in future trials.

Just as it happened in the OJ trial.


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It's taking to long

That usually means

That hold outs

Are being brow beaten
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The Jury has been deliberating for 7 hours now.

No questions for the Judge yet.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


OJ Simpson jury only deliberated for 4 hours.

16 hours for the George Zimmerman trial.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


I think there's only one black man on this jury.

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Sorry, but that jury room is going to be brutal.

Probably with one, maybe two that have enough integrity to see reasonable doubt enough to acquit.

Some of them want to just go home in peace and saftey so, what ever the majority wants, that is where their vote will be.

A few, are just biased from the get go as to the guilt of the defendant and no facts can change that. (Some for some against.)

The rest just frigging scared for their lives and their families.

Anyone holding out for real justice in this jury pool will be pressured beyond belief to bring about the justice that the mob demands.
 Quoting: Reebl


I don't understand why people so frightened would even be on the jury. It's pretty easy to answer initial questions in a way to get yourself struck/dismissed as a potential juror- just present yourself as prejudiced in some way- against cops, already knowing things about Floyd's criminal background that has prejudiced you in that way, that it is against you beliefs to judge your fellow man in any way, etc.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


I was called for jury duty several years ago. A juror said he was biased in favor of police because he had a friend or family member that was a cop. After that just about every juror used the same line.

It was funny to watch. At the same time I felt a bit disgusted. I get wanting to get out of serving. But if you don’t then the accused may get a less than fair trial.

I should note this was just a regular trial. I completely understand not wanting to serve on this jury.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


lol, so many people are so dumb/dense and unimaginative, it really never ceases to shock me.

I really wouldn't mind serving on a jury, but not one like this. The only time I was called for jury duty I was really sick with the flu- they would not take my word for it and made me go in. My nose was bright red and I had to keep a tissue over it. I was coughing, spreading germs, all flushed with fever. I filled out a request for being dismissed while I sat in the crowd. I had to keep sitting there until it was looked at and approved. Then, the D.A. said it was going to be a murder trial. I thought- heck I wish I hadn't asked for dismissal because I thought it would be interesting to be a juror for a murder trial.

Anyway, I was dismissed and it turned out to be the trial of a woman who poisoned her husband for insurance money. Very cut and dry that she was guilty, and that was the verdict. Life in prison, no parole.
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Them going past the 7pm time line tells me, someone either believes he is innocent or guilty. There is much debate on the matter.
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Don’t remember testimony about under the influence being included in call to police. The judge did remind the jury that assertions made during closing arguments are not to be considered evidence.

The store clerk testified he initially planned to just replace the bill if it really was phony, then changed his mind and reported it to the store manager, who insisted they try to get Floyd to make it good, and when that didn’t work, called the police. The store manager did not accept or want the clerk to replace the phony $20 with his own money.
And after this testimony the store issued a statement that employees are NOT required to pay back phony bills if they accept them. So maybe it was an unofficial policy or threat, to motivate employees to be more vigilant of counterfeit bills.
 Quoting: 936432979


The 911 transcript and the 911 dispatch data had the initial call as "under the influence". Below I am posting the first 4 exchanges from the transcript of the actual 911 call.

Operator: 911 what's the address of the emergency?
Caller: This is ah 3759 Chicago Ave.

Operator: How can I help you?
Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.
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Thanks, I must have missed that or forgot.
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Them going past the 7pm time line tells me, someone either believes he is innocent or guilty. There is much debate on the matter.
 Quoting: Sterling88


They could be sitting around playing cards just trying to chew up some time so that the media doesn't attacks them for deciding too quickly.

But I think you're right, there's probably some heated discussions going on.

I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
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Don’t remember testimony about under the influence being included in call to police. The judge did remind the jury that assertions made during closing arguments are not to be considered evidence.

The store clerk testified he initially planned to just replace the bill if it really was phony, then changed his mind and reported it to the store manager, who insisted they try to get Floyd to make it good, and when that didn’t work, called the police. The store manager did not accept or want the clerk to replace the phony $20 with his own money.
And after this testimony the store issued a statement that employees are NOT required to pay back phony bills if they accept them. So maybe it was an unofficial policy or threat, to motivate employees to be more vigilant of counterfeit bills.
 Quoting: 936432979


The 911 transcript and the 911 dispatch data had the initial call as "under the influence". Below I am posting the first 4 exchanges from the transcript of the actual 911 call.

Operator: 911 what's the address of the emergency?
Caller: This is ah 3759 Chicago Ave.

Operator: How can I help you?
Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Thanks, I must have missed that or forgot.
 Quoting: 936432979


Its alright. I thought I was on top of this case, and only found out yesterday through the closing arguments that dispatch sent PD with "man using counterfit bill, and in vehicle and under influence"... in my book that would be a DUI before we even get to a struggle. I think this fact alone is not plastered all of the case tells you how far the media is framing the false narrative of this.
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Them going past the 7pm time line tells me, someone either believes he is innocent or guilty. There is much debate on the matter.
 Quoting: Sterling88


They could be sitting around playing cards just trying to chew up some time so that the media doesn't attacks them for deciding too quickly.

But I think you're right, there's probably some heated discussions going on.

I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
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The Jury has been deliberating for 8 hours now.

No questions for the Judge.
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The Jury has been deliberating for 8 hours now.

No questions for the Judge.
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that good or bad? lol
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The Jury has been deliberating for 7 hours now.

No questions for the Judge yet.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


OJ Simpson jury only deliberated for 4 hours.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


That’s because Johnny Cochran had a better line than Blackwell. Blackwell’s, “George Floyd didn’t die of a big heart. He died because Chauvin’s heart was too small” was lame.
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If the heart don't fit, you must acquit!

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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
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Don’t remember testimony about under the influence being included in call to police. The judge did remind the jury that assertions made during closing arguments are not to be considered evidence.

The store clerk testified he initially planned to just replace the bill if it really was phony, then changed his mind and reported it to the store manager, who insisted they try to get Floyd to make it good, and when that didn’t work, called the police. The store manager did not accept or want the clerk to replace the phony $20 with his own money.
And after this testimony the store issued a statement that employees are NOT required to pay back phony bills if they accept them. So maybe it was an unofficial policy or threat, to motivate employees to be more vigilant of counterfeit bills.
 Quoting: 936432979


The 911 transcript and the 911 dispatch data had the initial call as "under the influence". Below I am posting the first 4 exchanges from the transcript of the actual 911 call.

Operator: 911 what's the address of the emergency?
Caller: This is ah 3759 Chicago Ave.

Operator: How can I help you?
Caller: Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn't want to do that, and he's sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Thanks, I must have missed that or forgot.
 Quoting: 936432979


Its alright. I thought I was on top of this case, and only found out yesterday through the closing arguments that dispatch sent PD with "man using counterfit bill, and in vehicle and under influence"... in my book that would be a DUI before we even get to a struggle. I think this fact alone is not plastered all of the case tells you how far the media is framing the false narrative of this.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Yep. If St. George of Fentanyl didn’t die he could have and should have been charged with a DUI. One minute we are supposed to wail and gnash our teeth at drunk driving. The next we are supposed to sing the praises of St. George.

The worst part is seeing the prosecution laying it on thick about how good Floyd was. That is the shading of the truth they wrongly accused the defense of doing.
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The Jury has been deliberating for 8 hours now.

No questions for the Judge.
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that good or bad? lol
 Quoting: Truth Seeker!


Good for an acquittal.

If they were all on the same line, that he committed the charged crime, beyond a reasonable doubt, they would have released their verdict.

Hopefully people are strong enough to stick to their guns.
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The Jury has been deliberating for 7 hours now.

No questions for the Judge yet.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


OJ Simpson jury only deliberated for 4 hours.

16 hours for the George Zimmerman trial.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


I think there's only one black man on this jury.

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I would bet a hung jury at this point.
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I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
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The Jury has been deliberating for 8 hours now.

No questions for the Judge.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


that good or bad? lol
 Quoting: Truth Seeker!


Good for an acquittal.

If they were all on the same line, that he committed the charged crime, beyond a reasonable doubt, they would have released their verdict.

Hopefully people are strong enough to stick to their guns.
 Quoting: Debug


most jurors will just vote any way that will get them out the door.

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I wish they would ask the Judge a question,that might give us a clue to which way they are leaning, also let us know who they chose as Foreman.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts
I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


But the actions once he became unresponsive aren’t really a crime. I mean if he in fact did die before the end of the restraint then the actions afterwards aren’t what killed him. That is only a case of not rendering aid. That can be excused by the crowd’s actions. It could be Chauvin wanted to wait for EMS, which he expected to already be there. That way of looking at it (the actions after he was unresponsive) wouldn’t justify the charges against Chauvin in my mind.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts
I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
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Then he should NOT get manslaughter... Right?

Why should he get convicted of a crime he did not commit?

By your comment and reasoning what could you possibly charge him with? Abuse of a corpse?
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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts
I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Well, it actually makes sense. Once in custody they were responsible for his well being- to whatever extent they were able to be. They should have assessed his condition at a certain point at least, and then what do to before the ambulance came I'm not sure. I was thinking along the lines of something like negligence of a prisoner in custody or failure to render aid.
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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts
I mean nevermind between a bunch of carefully selected jurors that are of various races and genders, I've asked 3 Trump voting cops I know what they think about it... two think he should get manslaughter and one thinks he should walk.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Wow, very interesting. I don't know any cops.
 Quoting: SonyaDV


The two who think he should be convicted take issue with Chauvin's actions once Floyd became unresponsive, not really anything before that point.

It's kinda where I fall on the matter as well.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


ya me too, there was no reason to stay on him once he stopped talking and moving... what a dumb ass. He should get manslaughter for that, especially when a crowd was yelling that he isnt moving. He just looked at them and stayed there. BTW, I dont think what he did killed him, but man...
 Quoting: Man Bear Pig


I agree. The biggest problem I've had all along was the knee. After he was non responsive the knee should have been moved.

Time served and never allowed to be a cop again seems a just punishment, not to mention the life long Zimmerman treatment he will receive!
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