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Derek Chauvin Trial - VERDICT IS IN - Guilty On All Three Counts

 
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Not to blame victim, but just to point out decision points where we never would've heard of this incident

- if buddy Morrise and GF dee dee after being rebuffed trying to pass phony $20 at Kup Foods initially
- if GF dee dees from scene after at least 3 points of opportunity having passed likely same counterfeit $20 (right away, first employee approach to car, 2nd employee approach to car) for items at Kup Foods
- if GF hadn't tossed pills into mouth before removal from his own car by 2 Officers initially on scene
- if GF had of gotten into squad willingly


Damn shame all these off ramps missed before Officer Chauvin did what he did.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


I would bet none of this is lost on some jury members and weighs heavily on their decision. It would mine, plus we need to think about why St George's good buddy Morries wouldn't testify at all. That may be and I wish the defense could have dropped some of that into closing arguments.
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If Chauvin(ism) is found innocent I will literally wire $3.50 to any and all GLP members who provide Cashapp/Paypal info with 24 hours of the news, with the hope that you will then go get a beer and celebrate the good news.
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How about if the verdict is overturned on appeal?
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There can be no appeal on an innocent verdict.
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maybe I missed it -- but -- was it ever discussed during the trial about Chauvin and Floyd working together at the night club ?

Supposedly they had some problems and didn't get along

hard to believe an issue wasn't made of it (or I didn't see it)
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Nothing was said during the trail or during motions without the Jury present about that.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


well, that seems pretty puzzling to me that a man can be charged with murdering a man he knew and once worked with --

and that relationship (however tenuous is may have been) is never explored during the trial

especially when they supposedly "clashed" at work
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The club owner somewhere was quoted as saying their paths probably never crossed.
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The prosecutions final statements were quite mawkish. The defenses were boring to begin with, but raised good points and got me rethinking a manslaughter charge on him. I was open to the possibility, but he appears to be right that the paramedics made a decision not to administer first aid at the scene due to the hostility of the crowd (so why should the officer)? However, they weren't great, he missed an opportunity to point out to the jury that he was on his arm not his back with his second knee. I mean he showed how the prosecution used selective frames to make a point, when that is what they done with the second knee on the back. They could have scored big there and instead he goes with some trivial shit to show the doctors bias, such as the knuckles on the tire and for how long Chauvin lifted his foot! If you really wanted to show how biased the prosecutions witnesses were, reinforce it for the jury that Floyd said he couldn't breathe 7 times before being pinned on the ground and allegedly positionally asphyxiated with a second knee that wasn't compressing his lungs. This point was kind of made for him by showing the resistance Floyd was giving where he spoke those words.

He did a good job of showing the context of the situation from the polices point of view. If I were in his shoes, and I had the guts to be a public speaker (I was selectively mute as a child and that kind of carries with me today), I think I would have done better than he did in some areas and worse in others. I would expect more from a lawyer making the kinds of money he would have been, but then the prosecution was also weak and had a team of lawyers...
 Quoting: GooPile


Remember the attorneys can see the jury. They may alter their remarks to reflect how they think the jury is responding to what they say.

Attorney Robert Barnes suggested closing arguments can be more about giving jurors on your side points to make when debating other jurors. Nelson did a great job of giving jurors a solid justification for Chauvin’s behavior at every point throughout the incident. The one weakness was at the end when no pulse was discovered. He covered that, but didn’t tie it all together as well as he could have.

Nelson focused some on discrediting Tobin and the prosecution in general. This was important. He gave jurors a reason to doubt the most damaging witness for the prosecution. I thought Tobin was ridiculous and don’t believe him. But he offered the most damaging testimony for proving what Chauvin did kill Floyd. Now jurors have a strong reason to ignore Tobin.
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Not to blame victim, but just to point out decision points where we never would've heard of this incident


 Quoting: Big Duke6


Another thing that could have avoided all this would have been for Chauvin to recognize he was being baited by the crowd

if he would have just sat Floyd up at some point and pretended to be concerned -- well , the false narrative of knee on the neck killing him might have went out the window

outcome would have likely been the same though, and St. George would have just be another unknown dead junkie , dying from a combo of too many drugs and a 90% coronary blockage
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As noted earlier in the thread, the longer this goes the better for Chauvin. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall of that room the jury is in?

And they really are not allowed to badger or threaten each other due to differences in opinion or verdict. At this point it looks as though it's going to be a hung jury.

There just isn't enough proof Floyd died completely due to Chauvin's actions, and all of these MSM talking heads are going to come unglued when this happens.
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The prosecutions final statements were quite mawkish. The defenses were boring to begin with, but raised good points and got me rethinking a manslaughter charge on him. I was open to the possibility, but he appears to be right that the paramedics made a decision not to administer first aid at the scene due to the hostility of the crowd (so why should the officer)? However, they weren't great, he missed an opportunity to point out to the jury that he was on his arm not his back with his second knee. I mean he showed how the prosecution used selective frames to make a point, when that is what they done with the second knee on the back. They could have scored big there and instead he goes with some trivial shit to show the doctors bias, such as the knuckles on the tire and for how long Chauvin lifted his foot! If you really wanted to show how biased the prosecutions witnesses were, reinforce it for the jury that Floyd said he couldn't breathe 7 times before being pinned on the ground and allegedly positionally asphyxiated with a second knee that wasn't compressing his lungs. This point was kind of made for him by showing the resistance Floyd was giving where he spoke those words.

He did a good job of showing the context of the situation from the polices point of view. If I were in his shoes, and I had the guts to be a public speaker (I was selectively mute as a child and that kind of carries with me today), I think I would have done better than he did in some areas and worse in others. I would expect more from a lawyer making the kinds of money he would have been, but then the prosecution was also weak and had a team of lawyers...
 Quoting: GooPile


As a former paramedic, I can verify that medics do not want to work on patients in the environment within a black community. Crowds gather quickly and become hostile just as quickly. They turn their anger toward the medics. It was always "load and go" in the black community I was involved with because the crowd was unpredictable.
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Not to blame victim, but just to point out decision points where we never would've heard of this incident

- if buddy Morrise and GF dee dee after being rebuffed trying to pass phony $20 at Kup Foods initially
- if GF dee dees from scene after at least 3 points of opportunity having passed likely same counterfeit $20 (right away, first employee approach to car, 2nd employee approach to car) for items at Kup Foods
- if GF hadn't tossed pills into mouth before removal from his own car by 2 Officers initially on scene
- if GF had of gotten into squad willingly


Damn shame all these off ramps missed before Officer Chauvin did what he did.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


George Floyd’s actions caused his death and George Floyd wasn’t a good man. He had a history of armed robbery in a home invasion. He took drugs. He was hospitalized for his drug use. I’m sure that was costly and I doubt he paid for it. He was in the process of defrauding someone and driving while intoxicated. Life has a way of catching up with you. It did for George Floyd on that day.
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6 hours.
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6 hours.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Verdict today?
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Not to blame victim, but just to point out decision points where we never would've heard of this incident

- if buddy Morrise and GF dee dee after being rebuffed trying to pass phony $20 at Kup Foods initially
- if GF dee dees from scene after at least 3 points of opportunity having passed likely same counterfeit $20 (right away, first employee approach to car, 2nd employee approach to car) for items at Kup Foods
- if GF hadn't tossed pills into mouth before removal from his own car by 2 Officers initially on scene
- if GF had of gotten into squad willingly


Damn shame all these off ramps missed before Officer Chauvin did what he did.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


George Floyd’s actions caused his death and George Floyd wasn’t a good man. He had a history of armed robbery in a home invasion. He took drugs. He was hospitalized for his drug use. I’m sure that was costly and I doubt he paid for it. He was in the process of defrauding someone and driving while intoxicated. Life has a way of catching up with you. It did for George Floyd on that day.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


That was truest statement about this entire event I have read posted. Why people are vilifying the cop and not the criminal is beyond reason and probably why this country has turned into such a politically biased and race fueled mess.
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6 hours.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Verdict today?
 Quoting: Truth Seeker!


I know I have made up my mind and I am sure many of the jurors have too. You cannot expect anything unanimous out of this. I would imagine that the only thing holding this up is the jury foreman. This isn't the movies though.
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It doesn't matter what the verdict is, they will claim dissatisfaction then quickly riot again then simply move onto the next case and start again.
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...Chauvin to recognize he was being baited by the crowd

 Quoting: Trump_WON

Have any charges been filed against the crowd for this act?
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6 hours.
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Is that confirmed? BTW you did a great job BBQ Boy on posting these daily
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Not to blame victim, but just to point out decision points where we never would've heard of this incident

- if buddy Morrise and GF dee dee after being rebuffed trying to pass phony $20 at Kup Foods initially
- if GF dee dees from scene after at least 3 points of opportunity having passed likely same counterfeit $20 (right away, first employee approach to car, 2nd employee approach to car) for items at Kup Foods
- if GF hadn't tossed pills into mouth before removal from his own car by 2 Officers initially on scene
- if GF had of gotten into squad willingly


Damn shame all these off ramps missed before Officer Chauvin did what he did.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


If the store clerk who thought Floyd’s $20.00 looked phony, had refused to accept it, like he did with Morries Hall’s $20.00.

If Morries Hall or Floyd had given a good $20.00 to the store clerks when they went out to the car and demanded it.

If Floyd, who had offered the girl a ride home while in the store, and she wanted to go home, had started driving away after leaving the store instead of all three gabbing for 5 minutes and then Floyd falls asleep in the car while the girl takes a phone call, leaving them still there when police arrive.

If the cops had treated the phony $20 like the white collar crime it was and not pulled guns on Floyd as if they were apprehending a murderer,

A death would have been prevented and Chauvin would not be on trial and facing prison.
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I think 6 hours is how long they have deliberated so far.
From what I heard last night, once the jury has a verdict, they will announce it the next day to allow the city to prepare.
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give him his gun and his badge back and let's move on.
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I think 6 hours is how long they have deliberated so far.
From what I heard last night, once the jury has a verdict, they will announce it the next day to allow the city to prepare.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


They're already prepared lol
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6 hours.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Is that confirmed? BTW you did a great job BBQ Boy on posting these daily
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That's how long it's been so far
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I think 6 hours is how long they have deliberated so far.
From what I heard last night, once the jury has a verdict, they will announce it the next day to allow the city to prepare.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


Gottcha, their going to need all the time they can get. Could you imagine living in that shit hole right now? good lord
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I think 6 hours is how long they have deliberated so far.
From what I heard last night, once the jury has a verdict, they will announce it the next day to allow the city to prepare.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


They're already prepared lol
 Quoting: Truth Seeker!


As prepared as they're ever gonna be, anyway.

Doesn't really matter how prepared they are, though. This always plays out the same way. They won't have enough manpower, and will protect government buildings and let the rioters loot and burn whatever private businesses they want.
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6 hours.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Is that confirmed? BTW you did a great job BBQ Boy on posting these daily
 Quoting: Micdub


Court TV has a Verdict watch clock on their site.

6 hours 35 minutes now

[link to www.courttv.com (secure)]
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They shot at the National Guard yesterday,
and, The Joint Chiefs are still sitting on their hands in the Pentagon.

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Not to blame victim, but just to point out decision points where we never would've heard of this incident

- if buddy Morrise and GF dee dee after being rebuffed trying to pass phony $20 at Kup Foods initially
- if GF dee dees from scene after at least 3 points of opportunity having passed likely same counterfeit $20 (right away, first employee approach to car, 2nd employee approach to car) for items at Kup Foods
- if GF hadn't tossed pills into mouth before removal from his own car by 2 Officers initially on scene
- if GF had of gotten into squad willingly


Damn shame all these off ramps missed before Officer Chauvin did what he did.
 Quoting: Big Duke6


If the store clerk who thought Floyd’s $20.00 looked phony, had refused to accept it, like he did with Morries Hall’s $20.00.

If Morries Hall or Floyd had given a good $20.00 to the store clerks when they went out to the car and demanded it.

If Floyd, who had offered the girl a ride home while in the store, and she wanted to go home, had started driving away after leaving the store instead of all three gabbing for 5 minutes and then Floyd falls asleep in the car while the girl takes a phone call, leaving them still there when police arrive.

If the cops had treated the phony $20 like the white collar crime it was and not pulled guns on Floyd as if they were apprehending a murderer,

A death would have been prevented and Chauvin would not be on trial and facing prison.
 Quoting: 936432979


The policy for the grocery store is any cashier that accepts a fake bill will "supposedly" have to pay for it themselves-- hence why the police were called. Let it also be known the initial dispatch to police was not just for a counterfit $20, but also 'appearance of being under the influence". That was highlighted yesterday in closing arguments. If the cashier pointed this out on 911 call-- then that only tells you how much under the influence he was when he walked into the store. The problem didnt start with the $20 bill-- the problem started with drug use or maybe none of this would have happened. "this is your brain.. this is your brain on drugs" The picture of Floyd in a suit followed by the video of him dying should actually be the new "say no to drugs" campaign, but instead this was contorted into some kind of racist action as an excuse for the outcome.
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What is the jury discussing I wonder?

Or are they just negotiating their witness protection programmes in case they deliver the 'wrong' verdict?
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They shot at the National Guard yesterday,
and, The Joint Chiefs are still sitting on their hands in the Pentagon.

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 Quoting: Henry Clemons


Do we know who called out the NG who are deployed there? Typically, it's a governor in these cases, so it might not be any of the JCOS's business at this point, not that they would do anything even if it is.
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I think 6 hours is how long they have deliberated so far.
From what I heard last night, once the jury has a verdict, they will announce it the next day to allow the city to prepare.
 Quoting: MaximusRex


They're already prepared lol
 Quoting: Truth Seeker!


They have to allow the rest of BLM to mobilize to MN from the rest of the country. I'd be curious to see how much traffic is coming in from the interstates in the hours prior to a verdict being read.
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They shot at the National Guard yesterday,
and, The Joint Chiefs are still sitting on their hands in the Pentagon.

.
 Quoting: Henry Clemons


Do we know who called out the NG who are deployed there? Typically, it's a governor in these cases, so it might not be any of the JCOS's business at this point, not that they would do anything even if it is.
 Quoting: Revbo™


They are part of The United States Military.

But i'm sure they are happy to wash their hands of it.

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6 hours.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Is that confirmed? BTW you did a great job BBQ Boy on posting these daily
 Quoting: Micdub


Court TV has a Verdict watch clock on their site.

6 hours 35 minutes now

[link to www.courttv.com (secure)]
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Got it, counting up meaning that's how long they have been in deliberation not a countdown to verdict. I got confused initially, it happens





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