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Thank goodness for those brave souls at ATF keeping us all safe.

We haven't seen courage like this since Waco, have we.



picard
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Precisely! Amazing how weaponized against Americans these agencies become under a democrat leadership. Includes FBI/ATF/BLM/IRS. Quite something.
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Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running.

Used by the Founders...
Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives”
reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to
its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in
the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by
the children of the citizens
, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all
their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel

Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day...
America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments...
1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year.
2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges.
3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set.
4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit.

Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates.

Democrats are a WMD, literally.

Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall.
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Why do you need a silencer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79900717


Why ask?( Why did Rosa Parks "NEED" to sit in the front of the bus? Both front and rear arrives at the same place and time.)

If you have to use your firearm; it creates a disorienting muzzle blast potentially harmful to(the shooters) hearing; and a muzzle flash that ruins night "adaptation" (especially indoors.)

A "suppressor"( "silencer"... though no "silencer" is spy movie "silent"...) helps dissipate both) blast and muzzle flash.

Firing a full defensive cartridge off at night across a room will cause your ears to ring and all you'll see is spots .... making any second shots difficult. The alternative is wearing electronic hearing protection(muffs).but it still doesn't dissipate muzzle flash..
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It's the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Not Guns. Not Loud Guns. Not hunting rifles. Not self defense.

The term used is Arms.

Arms means all armaments. That means artillery. Cannons were commonly privately owned at the time of the writing of the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment covers laser guns, cannons, rockets, F-35s, tanks, nukes, you name it.

The key word is ARMS. Definitions matter.
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I challenge anyone to tell me a more unConstitutional entity than ATF.

Their one and only job is to take away Constitutional rights. That's it. Alcohol...tax. Tobacco...tax. Firearms...tax.

They add ZERO value to this country. NONE.

I don't toss the Nazi rhetoric around lightly. However, the ATF is the dream child of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.

You cannot be a member of the ATF and swear an oath to the Constitution. You've broken the oath the day you took it.
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The Federal Government has the 'constitutional right' to regulate interstate Commerce, impose laws on Washington D.C. and its citizens, and govern under 'emergency powers', aka war powers.

Well, here's the rub. All 'US citizens' are citizens of Washington D.C presumed to operate in commerce and no longer as the people of their state. Doubt it?

Look up 'federal citizen' in a good law dictionary. See what it says and let it sink in. This gives the Feds exclusive power to regulate you under Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 - EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION of Washington D.C. and its citizens.

The Congress shall have Power To ...exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square).

Well, got news for you, a 'US citizen' is a Federal Citizen and no longer a State citizen. They are two separate entities, and when you do business as the former you forego the latter.

Remember:

The United States Federal Government has been in a declared state of emergency (war) since at least 1933.

The United States Federal government is a bankrupt military corporation that rules by force of law.

That's the problem, literally everything they do IS constitutional. They just tricked us into going along with it by signing up for Birth Certificates and Social Security Numbers.
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Young Vito Corleone used a white towel!

(And fireworks in the background)

( ; )

Pillow will work for .22 rimfire!
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I fart louder than a .22
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I knew when I saw those"solvent traps" advertised they wouldn't last long without federal legal issues"..
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Thank goodness for those brave souls at ATF keeping us all safe.

We haven't seen courage like this since Waco, have we.



picard
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I believe Biden is nominating one of the thugs from Ruby Ridge and Waco as the new director of ATF. He wants more of that.
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Why do you need a silencer?
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Its a great advantage for hunting , they can be used to reduce the aggravation neighbors go through when you're target practicing and they protect the shooters hearing without him having to have impaired hearing.

The reason the governemnt wants them to be illegal is the technology they have installed in cities to detect the location of gunshots.
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Young Vito Corleone used a white towel!

(And fireworks in the background)

( ; )

Pillow will work for .22 rimfire!
 Quoting: Dave2545


I fart louder than a .22
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77531545


shooting 22's can damage your hearing.
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If only OP had the same balls to shine his telescope on the ATF. We know their origins OP, your telescope is aimed away from Earth.
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Remember folks, ATF agents aren't the enemy. The people who pay for the disarmed populace agenda and that want to continue killing us daily are the enemy.
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False.

Rest assured, ATF is the enemy. Their only job is to infringe on Constitutional rights. That's it. That's all they do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851


Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851


Most ATF field agents fight crime. The agenda driven shit is a part of it sure. My point is that the murderers that pay for the disarmed populace are the real enemy. Their names are Bezos, Walton, Zuckerberg and a whole bunch of others.

Their is always going to be someone willing to play capo at the extermination camp but if you want to fix things cut the head off the snake or blow the head off the wallet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79757727


What "crime" does ATF fight other than against an American exercising their rights?

Please elaborate.
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It's the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Not Guns. Not Loud Guns. Not hunting rifles. Not self defense.

The term used is Arms.

Arms means all armaments. That means artillery. Cannons were commonly privately owned at the time of the writing of the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment covers laser guns, cannons, rockets, F-35s, tanks, nukes, you name it.

The key word is ARMS. Definitions matter.
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cruise

Thats the dumbest shit I ever heard.

Gun are arms
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Why do you need a silencer?
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When did need become a part of the equation?

I don't NEED my 500HP car. I just do it because I like it and I can.

Piss off with the need argument. It's for weak minded pussies.
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Why do you need a silencer?
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My home defense gun is extremely loud, I would prefer not to suffer hearing damage if I should ever have to use it to defend myself in the middle of the night. A silencer does not actually make a gun silent, it's actually just a suppressor that reduces the noise level to a point that doesn't cause hearing damage. If I want to build my own suppressor, I can form 1 it and do it legally. It can take many months, maybe more than a year for the ATF process paperwork for you to buy a suppressor legally, but form 1 applications are generally much faster and can be completed in less than a month, allowing you to make your own device. The ATF just violated my right to acquire the parts I would have needed to easily build one.
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Why do you need a silencer?
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Why ask?( Why did Rosa Parks "NEED" to sit in the front of the bus? Both front and rear arrives at the same place and time.)

If you have to use your firearm; it creates a disorienting muzzle blast potentially harmful to(the shooters) hearing; and a muzzle flash that ruins night "adaptation" (especially indoors.)

A "suppressor"( "silencer"... though no "silencer" is spy movie "silent"...) helps dissipate both) blast and muzzle flash.

Firing a full defensive cartridge off at night across a room will cause your ears to ring and all you'll see is spots .... making any second shots difficult. The alternative is wearing electronic hearing protection(muffs).but it still doesn't dissipate muzzle flash..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77376498


A "silencer" prevents hearing loss. Especially important for those doing a lot of shooting for target practice and other competition shooting. Hearing protection should never be illegal.
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False.

Rest assured, ATF is the enemy. Their only job is to infringe on Constitutional rights. That's it. That's all they do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851


Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851


Most ATF field agents fight crime. The agenda driven shit is a part of it sure. My point is that the murderers that pay for the disarmed populace are the real enemy. Their names are Bezos, Walton, Zuckerberg and a whole bunch of others.

Their is always going to be someone willing to play capo at the extermination camp but if you want to fix things cut the head off the snake or blow the head off the wallet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79757727


What "crime" does ATF fight other than against an American exercising their rights?

Please elaborate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851

It seems to be a legitimate purpose for them would be regulating the interstate and international trade of weapons.


Raiding private citizens over violating of gun regulations is unconstitutional in my opinion. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" leaves little room for creative interpretations, and that was intentional.

The founders who penned the bill of rights recognized the critical need for weapons in a free society, recognized the only government that would want to disarm it's citizens would be a tyrannical one. They gave us a way to resist tyrants.
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If only OP had the same balls to shine his telescope on the ATF. We know their origins OP, your telescope is aimed away from Earth.
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What would pointing my telescope at ATF headquarters do? Not sure what you think I would even accomplish with such an action.
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Why do you need a silencer?
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My home defense gun is extremely loud, I would prefer not to suffer hearing damage if I should ever have to use it to defend myself in the middle of the night. A silencer does not actually make a gun silent, it's actually just a suppressor that reduces the noise level to a point that doesn't cause hearing damage. If I want to build my own suppressor, I can form 1 it and do it legally. It can take many months, maybe more than a year for the ATF process paperwork for you to buy a suppressor legally, but form 1 applications are generally much faster and can be completed in less than a month, allowing you to make your own device. The ATF just violated my right to acquire the parts I would have needed to easily build one.
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The loud sound is also disorienting in a panic situation. Take my word for it
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A $25 piece of metal costs $800 plus you have to pay a $200 tax stamp. It's a real racket just to get some hearing protection. I keep a pair of 3M shooter muffs next to my bed instead. Cheaper and less fuss.
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Ahh, "Ear Armor"! :)

Might need to confiscate that. :)
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A $25 piece of metal costs $800 plus you have to pay a $200 tax stamp. It's a real racket just to get some hearing protection. I keep a pair of 3M shooter muffs next to my bed instead. Cheaper and less fuss.
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So when you are hunting squirrels you're going to walk though the woods with your hearing impaired?
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A $25 piece of metal costs $800 plus you have to pay a $200 tax stamp. It's a real racket just to get some hearing protection. I keep a pair of 3M shooter muffs next to my bed instead. Cheaper and less fuss.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108414

By keeping them by the bed I presume you mean in a self defense situation you're going to put them on?


Nice knowing you.

epiclol
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If only OP had the same balls to shine his telescope on the ATF. We know their origins OP, your telescope is aimed away from Earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Beam 52379797


What would pointing my telescope at ATF headquarters do? Not sure what you think I would even accomplish with such an action.
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Not taking your bait, "Senior Forum Mod" should know.
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It's the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Not Guns. Not Loud Guns. Not hunting rifles. Not self defense.

The term used is Arms.

Arms means all armaments. That means artillery. Cannons were commonly privately owned at the time of the writing of the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment covers laser guns, cannons, rockets, F-35s, tanks, nukes, you name it.

The key word is ARMS. Definitions matter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80007340


cruise

Thats the dumbest shit I ever heard.

Gun are arms
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Guns are Arms. Silencers are Arms. Bazookas are Arms. Drones are Arms.

All are protected by the Second Amendment.

The leftists and Biden in particular frequently say someone only needs a shotgun for self defense.

It's not the Right to Self Defense. It protects the right to own an F-35 as much as a shotgun.
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While hearing protection designed for shooting IS designed to allow you to hear people speaking, it blocks a wide range of sounds almost completely. For instance you will never hear a bird call. or the leaves rustle in a forest.


It also does nothing to reduce the sound for anyone or anything else.

The reason the government does not want us having silencers is so we cannot shoot without making a loud sound. Its really that simple.
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Why do you need a silencer?
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Because I can. I don't need to give a reason. How about this:

Because Fuck you, that's why.
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I challenge anyone to tell me a more unConstitutional entity than ATF.

Their one and only job is to take away Constitutional rights. That's it. Alcohol...tax. Tobacco...tax. Firearms...tax.

They add ZERO value to this country. NONE.

I don't toss the Nazi rhetoric around lightly. However, the ATF is the dream child of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.

You cannot be a member of the ATF and swear an oath to the Constitution. You've broken the oath the day you took it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851


Ok buddy how about the IRS. Eh, Mr. Smarty Pants? There is NO LAW in the US that mandates you pay a federal income tax. NONE!
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Guns are bad for humanity

We shouldnt be allowed to defend ourselves

We can just call the cops?

Its not like the system would ever be overhwlemed to the point they cant come and defend us when we call 911?


Its not like well end up in a scenario like Venezuela where all there guns were taken away. And now the Venezuelan people cant even protect themselves. And the police are useless to defend them because they dont even have enough resources to police the country.

So they got screwed listening to their Politicians

But that would never happen in America.

This time its different :)

And when you all die, well just write in the history books. That the decade of 2020 was fine and nothing happened

;)
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I challenge anyone to tell me a more unConstitutional entity than ATF.

Their one and only job is to take away Constitutional rights. That's it. Alcohol...tax. Tobacco...tax. Firearms...tax.

They add ZERO value to this country. NONE.

I don't toss the Nazi rhetoric around lightly. However, the ATF is the dream child of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.

You cannot be a member of the ATF and swear an oath to the Constitution. You've broken the oath the day you took it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78066851


Amen to that, I agree with you 100%
"It's whatever you want it to be, I don't care"
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Why do you need a silencer?
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Its a great advantage for hunting , they can be used to reduce the aggravation neighbors go through when you're target practicing and they protect the shooters hearing without him having to have impaired hearing.

The reason the governemnt wants them to be illegal is the technology they have installed in cities to detect the location of gunshots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36801747


They are not technically "illegal" just "controlled" under the NFA*National Firearms Act) of 1934 I believe.

You just have to file ATF forms; and pay a extra $250 tax to buy the "Federal tax stamp".

It's a shitty useless administrative law.

How many homicidal "shootings" are performed using a suppressor?
Zero?

Colonel Mustards' lead pipe or a hatchet is "silent" yet they are not "controlled"??
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I challenge anyone to tell me a more unConstitutional entity than ATF.

Their one and only job is to take away Constitutional rights. That's it. Alcohol...tax. Tobacco...tax. Firearms...tax.

They add ZERO value to this country. NONE.

I don't toss the Nazi rhetoric around lightly. However, the ATF is the dream child of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.

You cannot be a member of the ATF and swear an oath to the Constitution. You've broken the oath the day you took it.
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MEMBUH...EVEN G.W. BUSH CALLED THEM JACK-BOOTED THUGGS! UH.
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