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Do you believe in Free Will?

 
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I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm.
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Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now.
 Quoting: Alex75


So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


... more too hard questions for Alex until their brain freezes lolsign
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They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
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Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now.
 Quoting: Alex75


So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


... more too hard questions for Alex until their brain freezes lolsign
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75544390


They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
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They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
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What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person.
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I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm.
 Quoting: iamthevoid


Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now.
 Quoting: Alex75


So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


No because he is both the observer and the observed at the same time in space.
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I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm.
 Quoting: iamthevoid


Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now.
 Quoting: Alex75


So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


No because he is both the observer and the observed at the same time in space.
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And where is this time in space being experienced?
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Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now.
 Quoting: Alex75


So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


No because he is both the observer and the observed at the same time in space.
 Quoting: Alex75


And where is this time in space being experienced?
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In his mind's eye.
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So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


... more too hard questions for Alex until their brain freezes lolsign
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75544390


They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
 Quoting: iamthevoid


They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
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Where would we be without it?
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... more too hard questions for Alex until their brain freezes lolsign
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They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
 Quoting: iamthevoid


They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
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Where would we be without it?
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Dead?
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So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


No because he is both the observer and the observed at the same time in space.
 Quoting: Alex75


And where is this time in space being experienced?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


In his mind's eye.
 Quoting: Alex75


There is a mind and an eye that belong to him, yet he maintains that there is no separation, is that correct? Where do I fit I to this equation?

Edit: typo. Where do I fit into* this equation.

Although it still sort of makes sense

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They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
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They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
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Where would we be without it?
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Dead?
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Only one way to find out.
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... more too hard questions for Alex until their brain freezes lolsign
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75544390


They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
 Quoting: iamthevoid


They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75544390


Where would we be without it?
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The Anomaly exists in multiple dimensions at the same time in space.
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They say the teacher will arrive when you're ready for the teaching.
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They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
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Where would we be without it?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


The Anomaly exists in multiple dimensions at the same time in space.
 Quoting: Alex75


How can there be multiple of anything if reality is non-dual?
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Re: Do you believe in Free Will?
I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it?
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We have free will up to a point, so let's call it limited free will...We are dependent on many factors and operate within a structured existence...So to answer your question yes and no...It's both
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I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it?
 Quoting: Alex75


We have free will up to a point, so let's call it limited free will...We are dependent on many factors and operate within a structured existence...So to answer your question yes and no...It's both
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This. I think it is called an autonomy.
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They say Life itself is the ultimate guru.
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Where would we be without it?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


The Anomaly exists in multiple dimensions at the same time in space.
 Quoting: Alex75


How can there be multiple of anything if reality is non-dual?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


To go a bit further, do you think it's possible for anything not to live in multiple dimensions? Can 3D exist without 2D or 1D?
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I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it?
 Quoting: Alex75


We have free will up to a point, so let's call it limited free will...We are dependent on many factors and operate within a structured existence...So to answer your question yes and no...It's both
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Can you elaborate?
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Re: Do you believe in Free Will?
Ask yourself this question.

Is anyone in full control of all that exists everywhere?

If you answer no, then free will exists.

Also if you are familiar with the Assassin's Creed games, they have a very powerful message. A balance of chaos, order, freedom and control is necessary for life to function.

Now you may or may not agree with this message so ask yourself this question.

Does anyone have complete freedom over all of existence?

If you answer no, then free will still exists.
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Who is anyone? How do you know that all that exists is everywhere? Black holes give birth to new life, thus point zero is also a space-time wherein life can exist. What if I told you that, through meditation, we can will ourselves to think beyond heirarchical order, to the point where duality no longer exists? What then?
 Quoting: Alex75


Anyone can be any single/dual part of any and all realities. Is there any living/dead/transcending/artificial being/object in all of this finite/infinite multiverse that is either in full control of everything, or has total freedom? Or perhaps there is a balance of both? The point I was making is that odds are good for free will existing.

Perhaps saying all that exists everywhere was a poor choice of words. I should have said all that ever was, is, and will be.

As for getting to a point where there is no order/duality? Are you referring to the idea that we are all one? How do you know that in the highest state of being one does not require a balance of freedom/control/chaos/order? While I agree with the idea of oneness, I have yet to see evidence of any living/dead/transcendal/artificial being/object with full control or full freedom over everyone/everything that was/is/will be. That being said I fully agree that one can learn/grow to move beyond pyramid power structures, as those are very primitive and limiting to the health and growth of sentient life.
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I read “do you believe in free willie.” I was like hell yeah, I do. Free that motherfucker.
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Re: Do you believe in Free Will?
I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it?
 Quoting: Alex75


We have free will up to a point, so let's call it limited free will...We are dependent on many factors and operate within a structured existence...So to answer your question yes and no...It's both
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Can you elaborate?
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How much free will you exercise will vary from day to day, but we are confined to a planet and we are dependent on food and water. No amount of free will can allow you to escape these needs, but you can make other decisions that have consequences...
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Anything that can create or destroy, including themselves, has free will...
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Re: Do you believe in Free Will?
I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it?
 Quoting: Alex75


We have free will up to a point, so let's call it limited free will...We are dependent on many factors and operate within a structured existence...So to answer your question yes and no...It's both
 Quoting: BRIEF


Can you elaborate?
 Quoting: iamthevoid


How much free will you exercise will vary from day to day, but we are confined to a planet and we are dependent on food and water. No amount of free will can allow you to escape these needs, but you can make other decisions that have consequences...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I agree that no amount of free can allow you to escape those needs.
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Sin is real and has eternal ramifications.
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Sin is real only if you believe in it.
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Sin is a distraction of following God’s path. Distraction of self and others
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People wanna hear lies. I'll tell you the truth. You have free will ONLY under certain conditions
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I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it?
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It goes like this: my free will may think differently than your free will, and my free will is okay with your free will.

We are each free to think and do what will nurture our own lives.
"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change"
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We have no free will. Christians claim free will to excuse the problem of evil and justify their hell for non-believers. They are full of shit!
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People wanna hear lies. I'll tell you the truth. You have free will ONLY under certain conditions
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But think about how much of the operating system that the creator allowed us to interface...The creation of the Bomb! We have the power to destroy our whole civilization...Our entire planet...
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I watched that movie and I can honestly say.

A free Willy is the best Willie.
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People wanna hear lies. I'll tell you the truth. You have free will ONLY under certain conditions
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But think about how much of the operating system that the creator allowed us to interface...The creation of the Bomb! We have the power to destroy our whole civilization...Our entire planet...
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It wouldn't be you doing it. It would be God destroying it
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People wanna hear lies. I'll tell you the truth. You have free will ONLY under certain conditions
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But think about how much of the operating system that the creator allowed us to interface...The creation of the Bomb! We have the power to destroy our whole civilization...Our entire planet...
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Only in theory. Unseen forces keep this prison planet in check.
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15 I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

18 And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19 I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.

Romans 7:15-20

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St. Paul would suggest not in this imho
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People wanna hear lies. I'll tell you the truth. You have free will ONLY under certain conditions
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But think about how much of the operating system that the creator allowed us to interface...The creation of the Bomb! We have the power to destroy our whole civilization...Our entire planet...
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Only in theory. Unseen forces keep this prison planet in check.
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They didn't stop fat man or little boy...


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