Do you believe in Free Will? | |
Alex75
(OP) User ID: 77141943 United States 04/16/2021 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morality is only real if you believe in duality. On the highest plane of existence, there is only One Love. Unconditional love is the answer. Thus, morality holds no water in the paradigm of non-duality. MorTality, not morality duh Mortality is only real if you believe in death. |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 04:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see it like this. We have the capacity for memory and to repurpose parts of memory as imagination. For example, to think in words one must first learn those words and then you string together those memories to create potentially new sentences you've never heard of to produce a new memory. With memories of events, new and old, there is a memory of a judgment of whether you liked it or not. These judgements can determine your future judgements of imaginations or new events for memory. The initial judgments you make as a new born seem, from the adult perspective, to be purely based on the function of the human organism. The baby cried when the body needed something for survival, and from that memories were formed of what was necessary for survival for life. These memories were likely super primitive due to there being no other memories to compare them with. From this perspective, there's not really anything in the free will sense you can do that doesn't have some sort of past memory judgement involved--including imaginations. The ability to pass judgement on something depends on a framework to determine where it lands on your judgment scale. If there are no memories to compare it to, most won't remember what they experience until it happens again, so no judgement can be passed at that time. If it happens a second time, they can use their previous experience to come to some conclusion of where it lands on the like or not like spectrum. Otherwise, a direct experience of how it feels will be used. At that point you've reverted back to the original state of the new born building memory based on the body. You are not in control of the experience the body and mind present to you. It seems that you may possess the ability to determine whether you like the body's representation of reality, but only if it seems to benefit the body. In other words, free will was always just a reaction the body provoked for the experience of itself and never had anything to do with "you". I can go on, but this is probably enough for now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 04:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice try. Quantum mechanics has three interpretations for the double slit-experiment: Kopenhagener Interpretation, De'Broglie-Bohm Interpretation and Many-Worlds-Interpretation. Sorry, but I think you don't have much clue about this. You just throw the buzzword "quantum mechanics" into the room and you think you would have won because of this. But you just showed how clueless you are. Sure, the reason statistics is used in the calculations. Exact science, my ass. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 04:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morality is only real if you believe in duality. On the highest plane of existence, there is only One Love. Unconditional love is the answer. Thus, morality holds no water in the paradigm of non-duality. MorTality, not morality duh Mortality is only real if you believe in death. Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. |
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chilo
User ID: 80209461 Australia 04/16/2021 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sure, one can choose to pull the trigger but the validity of one's actions is indeterminate thus no free will. Universal deception is a hell of a drug. This is OUR challenge. Last Edited by chilo on 04/16/2021 04:42 AM It is a battle for objective reality. / Individual self determination, universal altruism. Thefuture(presents). |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Alex75 Morality is only real if you believe in duality. On the highest plane of existence, there is only One Love. Unconditional love is the answer. Thus, morality holds no water in the paradigm of non-duality. MorTality, not morality duh Mortality is only real if you believe in death. Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78169812 United States 04/16/2021 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I question Free Will because it seems as though one could believe that we are in full control of our own lives and, by the same token, are not. Which one is it? Quoting: Alex75 Of course you have free will You make choices everyday that affect your life Of you didn't have free will then yoi wouldn't be able to make choices Your choices shape the person you are, where you ate at in life, and when you die You have free will yo believe in God or not If you didn't have free will you would be an NPC |
Alex75
(OP) User ID: 77141943 United States 04/16/2021 04:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Alex75 Morality is only real if you believe in duality. On the highest plane of existence, there is only One Love. Unconditional love is the answer. Thus, morality holds no water in the paradigm of non-duality. MorTality, not morality duh Mortality is only real if you believe in death. Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person. |
Alex75
(OP) User ID: 77141943 United States 04/16/2021 04:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. What is fundamental? Can it be quantified in relative terms? |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. What is fundamental? Can it be quantified in relative terms? Not really. All terms are relative to your direct interpretation of them within consciousness. It cannot be known directly. |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 04:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person. I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11635340 Canada 04/16/2021 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ask yourself this question. Is anyone in full control of all that exists everywhere? If you answer no, then free will exists. Also if you are familiar with the Assassin's Creed games, they have a very powerful message. A balance of chaos, order, freedom and control is necessary for life to function. Now you may or may not agree with this message so ask yourself this question. Does anyone have complete freedom over all of existence? If you answer no, then free will still exists. |
Alex75
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 04:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. You solipsistic freak always forget one thing: IRREVERSIBLE processes exist and they will kill you in the end together with all the nonsense you gained to believe. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 05:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. You solipsistic freakS* always forget one thing: IRREVERSIBLE processes exist and they will kill you in the end together with all the nonsense you gained to believe. *typo or autocorrection, dunno |
Alex75
(OP) User ID: 77141943 United States 04/16/2021 05:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ask yourself this question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11635340 Is anyone in full control of all that exists everywhere? If you answer no, then free will exists. Also if you are familiar with the Assassin's Creed games, they have a very powerful message. A balance of chaos, order, freedom and control is necessary for life to function. Now you may or may not agree with this message so ask yourself this question. Does anyone have complete freedom over all of existence? If you answer no, then free will still exists. Who is anyone? How do you know that all that exists is everywhere? Black holes give birth to new life, thus point zero is also a space-time wherein life can exist. What if I told you that, through meditation, we can will ourselves to think beyond heirarchical order, to the point where duality no longer exists? What then? |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 05:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there is no observer then there is no moon. However, that doesn't mean that whatever exists that can be called a moon doesn't still exist. The matter and energy, as most call it, will still be there, but the ability to categorical group that specific pattern of it only exists within the ability to do so. In other words, a "moon" is a concept that requires the ability to conceptualize. If there is nothing capable of conceptualizing a "moon" then there is no "moon". However, does the collection of fundamental stuff still exist that we perceive as a moon? Maybe, but for that specific interpretation of its behaviour to be classified as a moon requires a certain relative observation of it from a conscious observer, not just an observation point we use for mathematics. Is the moon a moon to the magnetic pole of the earth? Probably not. Is the moon a moon to a human looking at it? Probably yes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 05:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person. I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm. Exactly. But do not question the hard questions. |
sembe
User ID: 54610988 New Zealand 04/16/2021 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The first bit you said was interesting, but if you study the science of astrology you can tell a great intelligence has designed people's lives so they focus on certain areas of life at particular times to achieve a goal. If you know how the system of fate operates you can have more say in your own destiny I believe. Free will requires the informed and rational interpretation of the situation in which one exists. Insofar as the situation surrounding so many, if not all, individuals from whom the global society are formed defies rationalisation, I would have to say that the exercise of free will is an impossibility at this point. Quoting: chilo Sure, one can choose to pull the trigger but the validity of one's actions is indeterminate thus no free will. Universal deception is a hell of a drug. This is OUR challenge. |
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iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. You solipsistic freak always forget one thing: IRREVERSIBLE processes exist and they will kill you in the end together with all the nonsense you gained to believe. This post isn't about solipcism. It's about an understanding of the difference between phenomenonal consciousness and the noumenal nature of reality. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 05:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75544390 Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. You solipsistic freak always forget one thing: IRREVERSIBLE processes exist and they will kill you in the end together with all the nonsense you gained to believe. This post isn't about solipcism. It's about an understanding of the difference between phenomenonal consciousness and the noumenal nature of reality. Did you know there are other senses than just your mind´s imagination? |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 05:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: iamthevoid Death exists within the experience of a mind/body organism. The quantum information of that organism cannot die. And that's from a purely materialist perspective, which I don't necessarily subscribe. The point is that an attribute created from the same quantum information that creates everything else, as you perceive it from within consciousness, can only exist in that form within consciousness. Beyond or prior to consciousness, everything consists of the same interchangeable fundamental substance of reality. It is only from that fundamental source that the emergence of consciousness happens. It is only within consciousness that the idea of birth and death can exist. You solipsistic freak always forget one thing: IRREVERSIBLE processes exist and they will kill you in the end together with all the nonsense you gained to believe. This post isn't about solipcism. It's about an understanding of the difference between phenomenonal consciousness and the noumenal nature of reality. Did you know there are other senses than just your mind´s imagination? It's all qualia to me! |
samurai turtle
User ID: 79275137 United States 04/16/2021 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To some extent yes.. those who are completely isolated from any influences. For the rest of us. I believe they have calculated every possible move somebody will make and how to target their brand to you where you live the signs you see, advertisement's.. what job you will work, what you eat, when you die, the decisions you make from things that happen and further decisions that become of that, you are always a customer. They have maximized you buying potential. For those on f.b. or tied to social media. They control your thoughts. The feed is calculated and they know everything about you.. for example 2 funny stories or videos, 1 neutral, time for a warm fuzzy feeling, another funny 1 and so on and so forth, now a trigger post and another If your supposed to have a bad day they know exactly how to position your mind set into doing so. They know exactly how you will feel, what you will comment, what you will share, exactly which friends will see it. It's scares me that some poindexter with a pocket protector is regulating most of the worlds emotional state. Hence the recent uprising in mass shootings, they create this. They make them jealous, angry, create mental un stability. They keep us numb and dumb. Why are people changing their vac stance? They know how to change the thought process. They could feed people knowledge and some they do, they need those "wise" leaders, they could truly make a difference for betterment, but yet they squander it for selfish gains. |
Alex75
(OP) User ID: 77141943 United States 04/16/2021 05:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there is no observer then there is no moon. However, that doesn't mean that whatever exists that can be called a moon doesn't still exist. The matter and energy, as most call it, will still be there, but the ability to categorical group that specific pattern of it only exists within the ability to do so. In other words, a "moon" is a concept that requires the ability to conceptualize. If there is nothing capable of conceptualizing a "moon" then there is no "moon". However, does the collection of fundamental stuff still exist that we perceive as a moon? Maybe, but for that specific interpretation of its behaviour to be classified as a moon requires a certain relative observation of it from a conscious observer, not just an observation point we use for mathematics. Is the moon a moon to the magnetic pole of the earth? Probably not. Is the moon a moon to a human looking at it? Probably yes. What if the observed and the observer are one in the same? Then surely this 'collection of fundamental stuff' of which you speak is subjective. What I am saying is that every thing is alive; all is energy thus even at the atomic level the frequency and vibration that it emits can affect its neighboring elements while at the same time is affected itself. |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 05:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there is no observer then there is no moon. However, that doesn't mean that whatever exists that can be called a moon doesn't still exist. The matter and energy, as most call it, will still be there, but the ability to categorical group that specific pattern of it only exists within the ability to do so. In other words, a "moon" is a concept that requires the ability to conceptualize. If there is nothing capable of conceptualizing a "moon" then there is no "moon". However, does the collection of fundamental stuff still exist that we perceive as a moon? Maybe, but for that specific interpretation of its behaviour to be classified as a moon requires a certain relative observation of it from a conscious observer, not just an observation point we use for mathematics. Is the moon a moon to the magnetic pole of the earth? Probably not. Is the moon a moon to a human looking at it? Probably yes. What if the observed and the observer are one in the same? Then surely this 'collection of fundamental stuff' of which you speak is subjective. What I am saying is that every thing is alive; all is energy thus even at the atomic level the frequency and vibration that it emits can affect its neighboring elements while at the same time is affected itself. Let me ask you this. If I say that quantum information is matter and energy, which we know is the same, and from that emerges the experience of consciousness, does that or does that not mean that consciousness is equal to this "fundamental stuff" I'm talking about? |
Alex75
(OP) User ID: 77141943 United States 04/16/2021 05:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person. I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm. Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now. |
iamthevoid
User ID: 80194506 Canada 04/16/2021 05:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75544390 Death is the only fact provable to everybody. One day you will learn first hand too. What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person. I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm. Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now. So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75544390 Slovakia 04/16/2021 05:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Alex75 What if I told you that there is a person alive on this Earth that has transcended duality, including life and death, aging and non-aging? The laws of physics at that point do not apply to this person. I'd like to know how it's possible that a person is still a person after transcending the non-dual paradigm. Because, while this person was ascribed a name at birth, this person has done the shadow work necessary to transcend duality and is The Nobody/Anomaly. He lives among us now. So, there is a "person" living among "us"? Doesn't that seem at least one more than not-two? ... more too hard questions for Alex until their brain freezes |