160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79688307 United States 04/12/2021 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. They should have just organized a tax protest and withheld federal taxes, it would have been more effective. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78417466 The government was largely funded with tariffs until the twentieth century -- not taxes. There was no income tax until the early twentieth century, for instance. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79688307 United States 04/12/2021 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. My g-g-g-grandfather, an immigrant from "Alsace, Europe" (as he wrote proudly in the immigration ledger) would participate at age 45 in the Battles of Chancellorsville and Gettysburg on the Union side -- 24th Michigan Infantry. I believe he was drafted (the draft had just been put in place and 45 was the upper age limit) from Detroit, where I was born. His name was Frank (Francis). He lived. He was on the invalid rolls the next spring. He returned to Detroit alive though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79062230 United States 04/12/2021 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. And that was the mistake. The states who decided to secede were on firm legal and moral ground to do so and quite likely could have done so peaceably if they had stayed that course but attacking Sumter was not an act of provocation the young Union could allow without losing all respect internationally. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79688307 United States 04/12/2021 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. And that was the mistake. The states who decided to secede were on firm legal and moral ground to do so and quite likely could have done so peaceably if they had stayed that course but attacking Sumter was not an act of provocation the young Union could allow without losing all respect internationally. I don't know. I think the war may have just started another way. But there are no do-overs in history. |
Saint Lance the Odd from BC
User ID: 77547432 Canada 04/12/2021 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. If you are not busy weaving your own magick, you are trapped in anothers spell. “It’s time you realized that you have something in you more powerful and miraculous than the things that affect you and make you dance like a puppet.” – Marcus Aurelius |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79228190 Sweden 04/12/2021 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. [twitter] [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: Builder of the Adytum And that was the mistake. The states who decided to secede were on firm legal and moral ground to do so and quite likely could have done so peaceably if they had stayed that course but attacking Sumter was not an act of provocation the young Union could allow without losing all respect internationally. i never really knew what started the American Civil War but now, as we're older and knowledge is deeper, i wouldn't be surprised, based on your assumptions, message, where it wasn't in South's interest, but rather Union's so everything started with the good old false flag shame really, some Unionist, dressed as an Confederate, or just in civil clothes started the war |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79062230 United States 04/12/2021 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. [twitter] [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: Builder of the Adytum And that was the mistake. The states who decided to secede were on firm legal and moral ground to do so and quite likely could have done so peaceably if they had stayed that course but attacking Sumter was not an act of provocation the young Union could allow without losing all respect internationally. i never really knew what started the American Civil War but now, as we're older and knowledge is deeper, i wouldn't be surprised, based on your assumptions, message, where it wasn't in South's interest, but rather Union's so everything started with the good old false flag shame really, some Unionist, dressed as an Confederate, or just in civil clothes started the war That's a plausible theory except nobody on the Southern side of the equation ever denied they fired the shots and on the other hand there were plenty who were quick to put on the grey after Sumter. Another one of those potentially explosive situations just waiting for a hothead with a match to come along. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79688307 United States 04/12/2021 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. [twitter] [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: Builder of the Adytum And that was the mistake. The states who decided to secede were on firm legal and moral ground to do so and quite likely could have done so peaceably if they had stayed that course but attacking Sumter was not an act of provocation the young Union could allow without losing all respect internationally. i never really knew what started the American Civil War but now, as we're older and knowledge is deeper, i wouldn't be surprised, based on your assumptions, message, where it wasn't in South's interest, but rather Union's so everything started with the good old false flag shame really, some Unionist, dressed as an Confederate, or just in civil clothes started the war That's a plausible theory except nobody on the Southern side of the equation ever denied they fired the shots and on the other hand there were plenty who were quick to put on the grey after Sumter. Another one of those potentially explosive situations just waiting for a hothead with a match to come along. John Brown almost got that party started, in fairness. It's not like some Northerners didn't try. |
VinoSom
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 79688307 United States 04/12/2021 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 160 years ago today, rebel forces in Charleston, SC opened fire on union held Fort Sumter; marking the start of the Civil War. To be honest, I was a damn Yankee for the first 20 years of my life, I've spent the last 20 in the south. I always agreed with Lincoln and keeping the Union together. Unfortunately the life long politicians on both sides, the Democrat party, the far left agenda, groups like Antifa and BLM have made me rethink my position. I now fully support succession. If states like Texas or Florida ever pull it off, I will go with them! Quoting: VinoSom I rather doubt they will be allowed to just leave peacefully, but I am of the same mindset. |