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So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?

 
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So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
If you are a liberal then it is safe and you should 100% take it. Any liberal should take it 100%.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Let’s start with something more simple. Can you provide solid hard evidence that you are alive and not a figment of my imagination?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
If you are a liberal then it is safe and you should 100% take it. Any liberal should take it 100%.
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I am in no way a liberal, despite our fears. I just need solid proof. That's all I am asking. I am very much so a conservative. someone in my household will not listen to what I have said. They tell me I have no evidence. Please, help me what is the strong evidence against it.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
It's too early to have solid evidence against it. Just as it's too early to declare it safe.

If you want to be part of the test population taking it now, go right ahead. I'm not taking it because I don't take Experimental Gene Therapy that has not been tested or approved sufficiently for safety.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Let’s start with something more simple. Can you provide solid hard evidence that you are alive and not a figment of my imagination?
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What does that have to do with what I am asking for? How does that question even relate?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
It's too early to have solid evidence against it. Just as it's too early to declare it safe.

If you want to be part of the test population taking it now, go right ahead. I'm not taking it because I don't take Experimental Gene Therapy that has not been tested or approved sufficiently for safety.
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So, we agree. Yet, others think I am a nut. I have no clue.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
I think the better question is:

Why in the fuck would you take it to begin with?
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I think the better question is:

Why in the fuck would you take it to begin with?
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Fine, I wouldn't. But where is the evidence against it? Someone, please point me to it.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Why aren't you doing your own research, OP? It's the best way to learn. There are innumerable things pointing to scamdemic, danger, years of preparation for this one event. Jeez, Louise.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
your post OP is solid hard evidence that your actions are controlled by fear. for you it's a question of who can provide more fear, so you can act accordingly. I on the other hand have an inbuilt 'fuck-up'-measurement tool. When I fact-check history then I can see that the ones providing the vaccine and their peers are responsible for unspeakable 'fuck-ups'. Question: Why should it be any different this time ?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
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You’re clearly very simple minded and uneducated.

Not even going to waste my time and effort with you.

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It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
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-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
If someone thinks so little of their own lives they feel comfortable testing brand new DNA altering drug that not one person on the planet truly knows what effect it can/will cause then tell them to go right ahead. All the triple digit IQ people will wait decline being a test dummy.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
 Quoting: Phoenix Light


Is this a serious question, or has the mask wearing starved what's left of your "brain" of oxygen?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Why aren't you doing your own research, OP? It's the best way to learn. There are innumerable things pointing to scamdemic, danger, years of preparation for this one event. Jeez, Louise.
 Quoting: TXGLP2


I have done my own research, and I see nothing that comes from a lab that shows me anything against it.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
 Quoting: Phoenix Light


Why would anybody in their right mind take an experimental "vaccnine" for a cold virus with a 99.97% survival rate?

Even the common Flu is more deadly. And that's why they hijacked the Flu numbers to pad the so-called (fraudulent) "COVID" deaths.

You should be explaining to US why anyone NEEDS to take ANY vaccine!
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
I don't know that what you want is available, you'll have to connect dots or at least understand medical studies that are listed in pubmed. Don't feel bad if someone is being a blockhead about it, there's not really anything you can do. They have it set up so not only is there no real evidence on either side but the vaccine can do absolutely nothing and nobody will be the wiser. Drug companies police themselves. People believe them, what are you going to do.

The evidence is in all the studies about these types of vaccines in the past, here's a good site for a bunch of info:


[link to www.primarydoctor.org (secure)]


You could point out that there is no solid evidence that we should take these vaccines. The FDA hasn't technically approved them yet and there is lots of money at stake. Plus NOBODY CAN BE SUED if someone has a bad reaction. So there is NO INCENTIVE for them to make it safe or even effective at all.

Once you introduce the spike protein into your body, like with the vaccine, you are risking what it can do by itself, like cross the blood brain barrier and attack lung and heart tissues. You can avoid the virus but you can't avoid the spike protein if you inject it into the body, then you've changed your immune system forever.

Pull up some of the VAERS reports, and check the box at the top that says to show the adverse event description:

[link to vaers.hhs.gov (secure)]

some of these death reports are horrific

lots of good info here, click on the blue words for studies and the evidence you want:


[link to childrenshealthdefense.org (secure)]
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
No. What you need is solid evidence on why you should risk an new and unproven vax process.
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What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
 Quoting: Phoenix Light



Research these areas.

1. It was rushed and couldn't possibly have all the normal safety protocols utilized.

2. There are known side effects.

3. Not getting vaxxed helps America's herd immunity.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
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Is this a serious question, or has the mask wearing starved what's left of your "brain" of oxygen?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80191387


You cannot answer a simple solid question. The mask is only an indication of their desire for control. I see that. Yet, what evidence we have from papers or lab research against it?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
 Quoting: Phoenix Light



Research these areas.

1. It was rushed and couldn't possibly have all the normal safety protocols utilized.

2. There are known side effects.

3. Not getting vaxxed helps America's herd immunity.
 Quoting: Swamprat


Thank you, just the type of direction I am trying to go. I need it from studies or from a lab or even a lack thereof.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What does your gut tell you?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
If you are a liberal then it is safe and you should 100% take it. Any liberal should take it 100%.
 Quoting: Fred Allen


I am in no way a liberal, despite our fears. I just need solid proof. That's all I am asking. I am very much so a conservative. someone in my household will not listen to what I have said. They tell me I have no evidence. Please, help me what is the strong evidence against it.
 Quoting: Phoenix Light


Solid proof is in the eye of the beholder.

Personally, before taking any medicine and I consider the shot meds......I do a side effect search.


Do a side effect search, that’ll lean you one way or another.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Liberals and the young, recently public school educated,
make fun of religious people and their "blind faith" to
the 'sky man'

BUT they will gladly rush to be injected with a new unproven medical chemical experiment for an infection
with a 99.9% survival rate. And thereby perpetuate the
big pharma corporate financial power. And they do this
as big pharma pays as many msm famous social nitwits as
they can to convince them its what they need to do.

Blind faith, ignorance and hypocracy on full display.
Really, its no wonder why TPTB want to cull this herd
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[link to jamanetwork.com (secure)]

Reactogenicity Following Receipt of mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccines

[link to www.webmd.com (secure)]

Article on Herd Immunity from Web MD.

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

Blood clots from vaccine.

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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Look at what happened to Hank Aaron, Marvin Hagler, DMX, the black CNN reporter, etc, after they took the covid vax.

THEY ALL DIED WITHIN DAYS.

THERE'S YOUR HARD EVIDENCE. ARE THEY NOW MAGICALLY "PROTECTED" FROM THE PHONY FAIRY TALE VIRUS, IN THEIR COFFINS?!?
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
 Quoting: Phoenix Light


You're not looking at the issue correctly. Do you want to take an experimental vaccine?

Phase 2 testing will be done in 2023. That will provide some clinical data on it's safety.

Oh, and BTW, when you sign you're agreeing to give up your right to sue or otherwise ask for redress for any potential damage.

The solid evidence at this point is that there's no reason for a healthy person to take an experimental vaccine for a virus that isn't lethal to healthy people.
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No. What you need is solid evidence on why you should risk an new and unproven vax process.
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Ok, yes. Good point.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
Sounds like you want a “fact-check” that says “don’t take it because x, y, z.”

There are plenty of reasons NOT to take it and none other than brain washing TO take it.

If your household member is proving difficult and they WANT the vaccine, it’s unfortunate but it’s the way it is.

An hour of HONEST research will provide enough areas of concern for a free thinking person.

At this point, lead by example.

And Pray for those that do take it.
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Re: So Who here is really in the know on the vaccine? I need SOLID EVIDENCE why we should not take any of the vaxes?
What is the solid very hard evidence against this???? If you don't know please don't speak unless you have absolute solid evidence. I need this evidence for a very good reason. Someone in my household will not listen to me and they will not take anyone's word for it. There has to have been studies or something solid to prove there is good reason not to take the Vax. Please if you have anything solid please link me to it.
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SOLID EVIDENCE OF A NEGATIVE IS LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE ...

ONE SHOULD RATHER DEMAND SOME SOLID EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPPOSED POSITIVE EFFECTS OF THE SO-CALLED VACCINES ...
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your post OP is solid hard evidence that your actions are controlled by fear. for you it's a question of who can provide more fear, so you can act accordingly. I on the other hand have an inbuilt 'fuck-up'-measurement tool. When I fact-check history then I can see that the ones providing the vaccine and their peers are responsible for unspeakable 'fuck-ups'. Question: Why should it be any different this time ?
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Yes, I do not want to lose a loved one and if that is fear-producing, then so be it. Yet, what I want is proof beyond fear. I want it so solid their mouths wag.
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