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Harvard-MIT admits in NEW study mRNA vaccines will permanently alter your DNA

 
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If you avoid this obviously dangerous weapon they call a vaxxine you must also make sure that your spouse has done the same, as any sexual contact will transmit it and be passed onto your newborn children. If what I already read is on track then getting the covid shot could be the end of your bloodline. Within weeks it kills some and has drastically altered the health of many more, imagine what this vaxx will do to you years down the road and what defects in your babies it will cause.

There's many variants of this vaxxine and so it appears that each version has its creators bioweapon artistic license as they alter your DNA in a myriad of ways. Completely avoid covid vaxxing at all price if you want your blood to continue on in new generations.

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the way I understood it, mRNA gene therapy is basically like an operating system for your cells. This jab told the cells to spike the proteins to create the antibodies for SARS2. Next plandemic, they can just recode it and give another jab and collect those sweet billions!
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by later this year, we'll find out what happens when somebody gets the jab, then gets pregnant and gives birth...

that should be informative one way or the other
 Quoting: 91GMC


and that is fearmongering

Thank you for being represented, antivax!

Society evolves and we learn from our mistakes. Pioneers often make sacrifices for quest of the greater good. We shall see.

But, why just throw crap like this out there without providing any scientific reason to avoid getting the jab.

There is more to life than fear. It's so sad that so many live in this perpetual state of distrust and fear of each other.

Please show me the area of science where I should focus my attention as far as pregnancy and specific vaccines (Yes, it's a vaccine. It's an administered treatment that assists the body with an immune response. It's certainly a new TYPE of vaccine. But, it's a vaccine.).
 Quoting: RationalOne


There are many scientific reasons to avoid taking an unproven experimental neo-vaccine, especially one that has resulted in adverse reaction reports more than an order of magnitude greater in number than the reports for prior vaccines.

The most simple reasons are the results of studies in many countries demonstrating high efficacy of both prophylactic and symptom reducing treatments. Treatments proving so benign as to have little and normally no side effect (aka NO risk for those in the slow lane).

These treatments have been featured in thread reports on this website since last March, and the studies that eventually validated them reported on since last fall.

Some people have not done their homework. Is this misfeasance or malfeasance? Depends on the motivation of the person.

The same type of person has also either not discovered or purposely ignored the revelations regarding vaccine damage disclosed over the last 3 decades, revelations strong enough to provide win after win in vaccine court.

It's a cryin shame.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I don't argue that there are many reasons for NOT taking modern medicine.

I'm not saying that anyone should be forced to take the vaccine.

Do you know there is a disease that some people get from taking Tylenol, their skin falls off...Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis.

But, how many actually develop this problem? It's all a crap shoot. We are all physiologically different and react to items introduced into our bodies differently.

We are all different and YES, there are risks whenever we introduce something into the body. But, what you do is spread fear through hysterical headlines..

"Shit happens" is INFLATED to "SHIT WILL HAPPEN!" through fear. It's sad.

Is it possible I made a mistake by taking that vaccine? Yes.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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I have had both shots.

I am not afraid. I'm going to die anyway! Science is not a "saviour", that's just silly. Respect for knowledge and understanding is just part of evolution.


Please show me such an article from those who have expertise in the fields of study. I think you are trying to fudge semantics in an effort to discredit me.

What "genetic" experiment?
 Quoting: RationalOne


Um, the mRNA one you just took. The one that is going to make your entire body become a spike-protein production plant. That won't elicit an immunity to the virus. Fauci's own words.
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mRNA is experimental. It hasn't even completed phase III trials. It was rushed through the FDA under an emergency act, not based on any real scientific studies that present the short-term or long-term side-effects.

The NIH even says it's experimental and only prevents symptoms.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

So you saying this will give you antibodies and protect you from infection or spreading covid is entirely wrong and you are misinforming other people encouraging them to take an experimental vaccine that has a greater chance of injuring them than the virus itself.

[link to www.theburningplatform.com (secure)]

The 1976 H1N1 only injured ~1700 people where as this is already in excess of injuring 50,000.

This is what it did to the Animals tested.
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Obviously the health industry is fallen to evil nerd geniuses and so now I fear going to the hospital at all because hey are they going to tell me the truth?
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Doctor Doug is not the first peer to review this paper. He just was not aware of others at the time of HIS review.

"It’s important to add that this paper is a pre-print that is not peer-reviewed yet; but I went through all of the data, methods, and results, and I see very little wrong with the paper, and some gaps that need closing- but, at least from the standpoint of being able to answer the question: can RNA from the coronavirus use existing cellular pathways to integrate permanently into our DNA? From that perspective, their paper is rock-solid. Also, please take note that these are respected scientists from MIT and Harvard."...

..."Through their experiments, they did not find full-length viral RNA integrated into genomic DNA; rather, they found smaller segments of the viral DNA, mostly representing the nucleocapsid (N) protein of the virus, although other viral segments were found integrated into human DNA at a lower frequency.

In this paper, they demonstrate that:

1) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 Viral RNA can become integrated into human genomic DNA.

2) This newly acquired viral sequence is not silent, meaning that these genetically modified regions of genomic DNA are transcriptionally active (DNA is being converted back into RNA).

3) Segments of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA retro-integrated into human genomic DNA in cell culture. This retro-integration into genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients is also implied indirectly from the detection of chimeric RNA transcripts in cells derived from COVID-19 patients. Although their RNAseq data suggests that genomic alteration is taking place in COVID-19 patients, to prove this point conclusively, PCR, DNA sequencing, or Southern Blot should be carried out on purified genomic DNA of COVID-19 patients to prove this point conclusively. This is a gap that needs to be closed in the research. The in vitro data in human cell lines, however, is air tight."...

..."I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA...

...it appears that this integration of viral RNA segments into our DNA is not as rare as I initially hypothesized. It’s difficult for me to put a number on the probability due to data limitations present in the paper, but based on the frequency they were able to measure this phenomenon in both petri dishes and COVID patients, the probability is much greater than I initially anticipated. Due to this current research, I now place this risk as a more probable event than my original estimation...

...I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable...
--------------------------------------------

The take away for an OBJECTIVE, RATIONAL person would be that yet another RISK FACTOR, and not a minor one, has been added to the long list of vaccine risks.

And that with all the scientifically proven COVID prophylactics and treatments that have little to no side effect, it is pure insanity to even suggest use of an unproven genetic therapy under "emergency use", let alone MANDATE it.

Insanity or malicious, reckless greed. Or both.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


OF COURSE THERE ARE RISK FACTORS! No one says differently.

as there are with ALL medications/vaccines.

You're point?

And it's not "genetic therapy", at least not any more so than many other things we put in our bodies. I will avoid discussing this with those who cant understand this fact. Fearmongering by using the obvious average person's misunderstanding of science, is fucking evil.
 Quoting: RationalOne


There are risk factors associated with all vaccines. There are also risk factors associated with most modern synthetic medications.

It is more than disingenuous, some would go so far as to say EVIL, to act as if all risk factors are equivalent.

And to pretend that my point was obscure when I specifically mentioned the low to NO risk prophylactics and treatments that are available as opposed to vaccines of which the RISKS CAN'T EVEN BE QUANTIFIED DO TO LACK OF STUDY, is also a dubious position in regard to your competence, motive, or both.

FINALLY, any therapeutic agent which injects a single strand of exogenous/foreign genetic code in order to use the bodies raw materials to generate an exogenous protein is most certainly and fairly classified as a genetic therapy.

And now that it is considered by many learned in the field that it is Likely that the mRNA will occasionally reverse transcribe into the host cell's DNA, as it has been discovered the same RNA that it was sourced from (part of the SARS-COV-2) has integrated into DNA.

We can consider this both a genetic therapy and a potential genetic alteration.
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Utopia.
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by later this year, we'll find out what happens when somebody gets the jab, then gets pregnant and gives birth...

that should be informative one way or the other
 Quoting: 91GMC


and that is fearmongering

Thank you for being represented, antivax!

Society evolves and we learn from our mistakes. Pioneers often make sacrifices for quest of the greater good. We shall see.

But, why just throw crap like this out there without providing any scientific reason to avoid getting the jab.

There is more to life than fear. It's so sad that so many live in this perpetual state of distrust and fear of each other.

Please show me the area of science where I should focus my attention as far as pregnancy and specific vaccines (Yes, it's a vaccine. It's an administered treatment that assists the body with an immune response. It's certainly a new TYPE of vaccine. But, it's a vaccine.).
 Quoting: RationalOne


You have twisted the definition of a vaccine to fit your theory. Square peg, meet round hole. Not very scientific of you.

I may have to become a registered member, just so that in the future I can give you red.

Dismissed.
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After all, we’ve been told in no uncertain terms that it would be impossible for the mRNA in a vaccine to become integrated into our DNA, simply because “RNA doesn’t work that way.” Well, this current research which was released not too long after my original article demonstrates that yes, indeed, “RNA does work that way”. In my original article, I spelled out this exact molecular pathway.

[link to sciencewithdrdoug.com (secure)]

Any of you that took of this mark is no longer human. Your DNA has been changed.
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a considerable percentage of your dna is already made from many retro virii
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by later this year, we'll find out what happens when somebody gets the jab, then gets pregnant and gives birth...

that should be informative one way or the other
 Quoting: 91GMC


and that is fearmongering

Thank you for being represented, antivax!

Society evolves and we learn from our mistakes. Pioneers often make sacrifices for quest of the greater good. We shall see.

But, why just throw crap like this out there without providing any scientific reason to avoid getting the jab.

There is more to life than fear. It's so sad that so many live in this perpetual state of distrust and fear of each other.

Please show me the area of science where I should focus my attention as far as pregnancy and specific vaccines (Yes, it's a vaccine. It's an administered treatment that assists the body with an immune response. It's certainly a new TYPE of vaccine. But, it's a vaccine.).
 Quoting: RationalOne


There are many scientific reasons to avoid taking an unproven experimental neo-vaccine, especially one that has resulted in adverse reaction reports more than an order of magnitude greater in number than the reports for prior vaccines.

The most simple reasons are the results of studies in many countries demonstrating high efficacy of both prophylactic and symptom reducing treatments. Treatments proving so benign as to have little and normally no side effect (aka NO risk for those in the slow lane).

These treatments have been featured in thread reports on this website since last March, and the studies that eventually validated them reported on since last fall.

Some people have not done their homework. Is this misfeasance or malfeasance? Depends on the motivation of the person.

The same type of person has also either not discovered or purposely ignored the revelations regarding vaccine damage disclosed over the last 3 decades, revelations strong enough to provide win after win in vaccine court.

It's a cryin shame.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I don't argue that there are many reasons for NOT taking modern medicine.

I'm not saying that anyone should be forced to take the vaccine.

Do you know there is a disease that some people get from taking Tylenol, their skin falls off...Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis.

But, how many actually develop this problem? It's all a crap shoot. We are all physiologically different and react to items introduced into our bodies differently.

We are all different and YES, there are risks whenever we introduce something into the body. But, what you do is spread fear through hysterical headlines..

"Shit happens" is INFLATED to "SHIT WILL HAPPEN!" through fear. It's sad.

Is it possible I made a mistake by taking that vaccine? Yes.
 Quoting: RationalOne


"Shit happens" is INFLATED to "SHIT WILL HAPPEN!" through fear. It's sad.

So are you flailing against the "health authorities" who employed such irresponsible rhetoric for the SARS-COV-2 virus which is moderately dangerous to ONE MORBID DEMOGRAPHIC and proceeded to leverage that fear to nearly destroy our way of life?

And I am not spreading fear through hysterical headlines.

I am COUNTERING that activity. I am COUNTERING the agenda of the known PROVEN CRIMINALS of Big Pharma companies and the US corporate government in collusion with their media propaganda outlets.

I am offering HOPE by pointing to proven low to no risk avenues for people who have been irrationally frightened over a hopped up flu virus to avoid becoming guinea pigs to experimental gene therapies, and vaccines in general which have now been proven to cause short to long term damage so thoroughly that Vaccine courts pay out billions.
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After all, we’ve been told in no uncertain terms that it would be impossible for the mRNA in a vaccine to become integrated into our DNA, simply because “RNA doesn’t work that way.” Well, this current research which was released not too long after my original article demonstrates that yes, indeed, “RNA does work that way”. In my original article, I spelled out this exact molecular pathway.

[link to sciencewithdrdoug.com (secure)]

Any of you that took of this mark is no longer human. Your DNA has been changed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76735334


"To be fair, this study didn’t show that the RNA from the current vaccines is being integrated into our DNA. However, they did show, quite convincingly, that there exists a viable cellular pathway whereby snippets of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA could become integrated into our genomic DNA. In my opinion, more research is needed to both corroborate these findings, and to close some gaps."

The important parts, in red.

Let's not jump the gun, and by all means keep an eye on the science.

People but WAY too much faith in "studies". Do we all understand all of the variables? Doubtful
 Quoting: RationalOne


Read the entire article and not just take snippets of it to disparage the author.

He makes clear at the end of the article:

” I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did. I simply asked the question, and provided hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur. I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable. It most certainly deserves closer inspection and testing to rule this possibility out, and I would hope that a rigorous and comprehensive test program would be instituted with the same enthusiasm that propelled the vaccine haphazardly through the normal safety checkpoints.”

.
 Quoting: Zovalex



I wasn't criticizing the author. I am pointing out that those who use studies like this expect that no one will read it through. I'm pointing out, as did the author, that it's being used to troll the gullible. I disagree with his use of the word "probable" and agree that we need to watch the science.

What is it I wrote is in conflict? And the article is right there for all to read. Do I have to spoonfeed background before I post a quite FROM the study? I'm not following how you are trying to gig me. I quoted the same source you did!

It is STILL a "study". There is a long way to go before it's accepted science theory.
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We know you disagree. You pulled a specific portion out to confirm your bias...

We’re not blind to your tactics....
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I have had both shots.

I am not afraid. I'm going to die anyway! Science is not a "saviour", that's just silly. Respect for knowledge and understanding is just part of evolution.


Please show me such an article from those who have expertise in the fields of study. I think you are trying to fudge semantics in an effort to discredit me.

What "genetic" experiment?
 Quoting: RationalOne


Um, the mRNA one you just took. The one that is going to make your entire body become a spike-protein production plant. That won't elicit an immunity to the virus. Fauci's own words.
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mRNA is experimental. It hasn't even completed phase III trials. It was rushed through the FDA under an emergency act, not based on any real scientific studies that present the short-term or long-term side-effects.

The NIH even says it's experimental and only prevents symptoms.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

So you saying this will give you antibodies and protect you from infection or spreading covid is entirely wrong and you are misinforming other people encouraging them to take an experimental vaccine that has a greater chance of injuring them than the virus itself.

[link to www.theburningplatform.com (secure)]

The 1976 H1N1 only injured ~1700 people where as this is already in excess of injuring 50,000.

This is what it did to the Animals tested.
[link to regenerativemc.com (secure)]
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


I guess what we are discussing here is a difference between an "immune response" or an "immune system response". The immune system responds with a response to create the proteins. I am NOT saying the vaccine creates antibodies in the traditional sense. It's certainly an evolution in treatment. But to act like this science is dangerously new, is silly.

That is not a reason to be afraid.

I found this:

How mRNA Vaccines Work
mRNA is a piece of genetic material that cells use as "instructions" to create certain proteins in the body. It is like a bit of computer code.

When it's not inside a cell, mRNA needs protection to keep it from disintegrating. This is why the vaccines require cold temperature storage. To keep the mRNA from disintegrating when it enters the body, the COVID-19 vaccines use fat bubbles to shuttle the mRNA to certain cells.

The mRNA instructs these cells to create "spike proteins." These proteins simulate part of the SARS-CoV-2 (novel coronavirus) cell structure and trick the body into believing it's infected with the virus.

In the case of the mRNA vaccines, your body is never exposed to the germ but is still able to produce an effective immune response.


The creation of the proteins IS the response.

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Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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"To be fair, this study didn’t show that the RNA from the current vaccines is being integrated into our DNA. However, they did show, quite convincingly, that there exists a viable cellular pathway whereby snippets of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA could become integrated into our genomic DNA. In my opinion, more research is needed to both corroborate these findings, and to close some gaps."

The important parts, in red.

Let's not jump the gun, and by all means keep an eye on the science.

People but WAY too much faith in "studies". Do we all understand all of the variables? Doubtful
 Quoting: RationalOne


Read the entire article and not just take snippets of it to disparage the author.

He makes clear at the end of the article:

” I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did. I simply asked the question, and provided hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur. I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable. It most certainly deserves closer inspection and testing to rule this possibility out, and I would hope that a rigorous and comprehensive test program would be instituted with the same enthusiasm that propelled the vaccine haphazardly through the normal safety checkpoints.”

.
 Quoting: Zovalex



I wasn't criticizing the author. I am pointing out that those who use studies like this expect that no one will read it through. I'm pointing out, as did the author, that it's being used to troll the gullible. I disagree with his use of the word "probable" and agree that we need to watch the science.

What is it I wrote is in conflict? And the article is right there for all to read. Do I have to spoonfeed background before I post a quite FROM the study? I'm not following how you are trying to gig me. I quoted the same source you did!

It is STILL a "study". There is a long way to go before it's accepted science theory.
 Quoting: RationalOne


We know you disagree. You pulled a specific portion out to confirm your bias...

We’re not blind to your tactics....
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Who is "we"? Are you part of a gang?
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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and that is fearmongering

Thank you for being represented, antivax!

Society evolves and we learn from our mistakes. Pioneers often make sacrifices for quest of the greater good. We shall see.

But, why just throw crap like this out there without providing any scientific reason to avoid getting the jab.

There is more to life than fear. It's so sad that so many live in this perpetual state of distrust and fear of each other.

Please show me the area of science where I should focus my attention as far as pregnancy and specific vaccines (Yes, it's a vaccine. It's an administered treatment that assists the body with an immune response. It's certainly a new TYPE of vaccine. But, it's a vaccine.).
 Quoting: RationalOne


There are many scientific reasons to avoid taking an unproven experimental neo-vaccine, especially one that has resulted in adverse reaction reports more than an order of magnitude greater in number than the reports for prior vaccines.

The most simple reasons are the results of studies in many countries demonstrating high efficacy of both prophylactic and symptom reducing treatments. Treatments proving so benign as to have little and normally no side effect (aka NO risk for those in the slow lane).

These treatments have been featured in thread reports on this website since last March, and the studies that eventually validated them reported on since last fall.

Some people have not done their homework. Is this misfeasance or malfeasance? Depends on the motivation of the person.

The same type of person has also either not discovered or purposely ignored the revelations regarding vaccine damage disclosed over the last 3 decades, revelations strong enough to provide win after win in vaccine court.

It's a cryin shame.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


I don't argue that there are many reasons for NOT taking modern medicine.

I'm not saying that anyone should be forced to take the vaccine.

Do you know there is a disease that some people get from taking Tylenol, their skin falls off...Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis.

But, how many actually develop this problem? It's all a crap shoot. We are all physiologically different and react to items introduced into our bodies differently.

We are all different and YES, there are risks whenever we introduce something into the body. But, what you do is spread fear through hysterical headlines..

"Shit happens" is INFLATED to "SHIT WILL HAPPEN!" through fear. It's sad.

Is it possible I made a mistake by taking that vaccine? Yes.
 Quoting: RationalOne


"Shit happens" is INFLATED to "SHIT WILL HAPPEN!" through fear. It's sad.

So are you flailing against the "health authorities" who employed such irresponsible rhetoric for the SARS-COV-2 virus which is moderately dangerous to ONE MORBID DEMOGRAPHIC and proceeded to leverage that fear to nearly destroy our way of life?

And I am not spreading fear through hysterical headlines.

I am COUNTERING that activity. I am COUNTERING the agenda of the known PROVEN CRIMINALS of Big Pharma companies and the US corporate government in collusion with their media propaganda outlets.

I am offering HOPE by pointing to proven low to no risk avenues for people who have been irrationally frightened over a hopped up flu virus to avoid becoming guinea pigs to experimental gene therapies, and vaccines in general which have now been proven to cause short to long term damage so thoroughly that Vaccine courts pay out billions.
 Quoting: Herr Decider


Nope. You hate "big Pharma" and that is the bias on which you spew your rhetoric.

Companies make money. That is the backbone of Capitalist society. If there is something which seems criminal, like overpriced drugs, that is up to the proper authorities to take care of. And for government officials to create legislation about.

I fully disagree with your ignorant interpretation of what SARS-CoV-2 is.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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GLP will not allow me to post a thread about Liliana Carrillo being vaccinated before killing her children
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Do you know everything about her? Could there have been other reasons?

Maybe she is CRAZY?
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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After all, we’ve been told in no uncertain terms that it would be impossible for the mRNA in a vaccine to become integrated into our DNA, simply because “RNA doesn’t work that way.” Well, this current research which was released not too long after my original article demonstrates that yes, indeed, “RNA does work that way”. In my original article, I spelled out this exact molecular pathway.

[link to sciencewithdrdoug.com (secure)]

Any of you that took of this mark is no longer human. Your DNA has been changed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76735334


"To be fair, this study didn’t show that the RNA from the current vaccines is being integrated into our DNA. However, they did show, quite convincingly, that there exists a viable cellular pathway whereby snippets of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA could become integrated into our genomic DNA. In my opinion, more research is needed to both corroborate these findings, and to close some gaps."

The important parts, in red.

Let's not jump the gun, and by all means keep an eye on the science.

People but WAY too much faith in "studies". Do we all understand all of the variables? Doubtful
 Quoting: RationalOne


Read the entire article and not just take snippets of it to disparage the author.

He makes clear at the end of the article:

” I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did. I simply asked the question, and provided hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur. I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable. It most certainly deserves closer inspection and testing to rule this possibility out, and I would hope that a rigorous and comprehensive test program would be instituted with the same enthusiasm that propelled the vaccine haphazardly through the normal safety checkpoints.”

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 Quoting: Zovalex



I wasn't criticizing the author. I am pointing out that those who use studies like this expect that no one will read it through. I'm pointing out, as did the author, that it's being used to troll the gullible. I disagree with his use of the word "probable" and agree that we need to watch the science.

What is it I wrote is in conflict? And the article is right there for all to read. Do I have to spoonfeed background before I post a quite FROM the study? I'm not following how you are trying to gig me. I quoted the same source you did!

It is STILL a "study". There is a long way to go before it's accepted science theory.
 Quoting: RationalOne


DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT NO FDA-APPROVED STUDIES OF THIS EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE WERE EVER DONE..????

People like you are advocating for this vaccine that has NOT gone through ordinary clinical study protocols, yet when study results show this experimental vaccine is probably dangerous and irreversible, you claim “people put way too much faith in studies”.

....and yet you have the audacity to use “Rational One” as your member name.

One more thing, you god damn Big Pharma shill:

The author is a molecular biologist that correctly and accurately uses the statement:

”I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.

Nobody gives a rat’s ass that YOU, a shill for the vax industry, “don’t agree with it”.

Go take this experimental DNA-altering vaccine, shill.

The world needs to reduce the population of the Stupid and the deceitful, lying Big Pharma shills.
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If you debate the science on masks being not 100% effective you get a response you are fear mongering and anti science.
If you debate vaccines that are resulting in not 100% effectiveness based on science and real data you get told you are fear mongering and anti science.

To you trolls that work for big pharmaceutical companies... phhhhhhuuuuucccckkkkk you!
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Now 39 million have taken it. Some people getting cold feet and trying to cover their backs. Where were they back in the beginning?
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I have had both shots.

I am not afraid. I'm going to die anyway! Science is not a "saviour", that's just silly. Respect for knowledge and understanding is just part of evolution.


Please show me such an article from those who have expertise in the fields of study. I think you are trying to fudge semantics in an effort to discredit me.

What "genetic" experiment?
 Quoting: RationalOne


Um, the mRNA one you just took. The one that is going to make your entire body become a spike-protein production plant. That won't elicit an immunity to the virus. Fauci's own words.
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mRNA is experimental. It hasn't even completed phase III trials. It was rushed through the FDA under an emergency act, not based on any real scientific studies that present the short-term or long-term side-effects.

The NIH even says it's experimental and only prevents symptoms.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

So you saying this will give you antibodies and protect you from infection or spreading covid is entirely wrong and you are misinforming other people encouraging them to take an experimental vaccine that has a greater chance of injuring them than the virus itself.

[link to www.theburningplatform.com (secure)]

The 1976 H1N1 only injured ~1700 people where as this is already in excess of injuring 50,000.

This is what it did to the Animals tested.
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 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


I guess what we are discussing here is a difference between an "immune response" or an "immune system response". The immune system responds with a response to create the proteins. I am NOT saying the vaccine creates antibodies in the traditional sense. It's certainly an evolution in treatment. But to act like this science is dangerously new, is silly.

That is not a reason to be afraid.

I found this:

How mRNA Vaccines Work
mRNA is a piece of genetic material that cells use as "instructions" to create certain proteins in the body. It is like a bit of computer code.

When it's not inside a cell, mRNA needs protection to keep it from disintegrating. This is why the vaccines require cold temperature storage. To keep the mRNA from disintegrating when it enters the body, the COVID-19 vaccines use fat bubbles to shuttle the mRNA to certain cells.

The mRNA instructs these cells to create "spike proteins." These proteins simulate part of the SARS-CoV-2 (novel coronavirus) cell structure and trick the body into believing it's infected with the virus.

In the case of the mRNA vaccines, your body is never exposed to the germ but is still able to produce an effective immune response.


The creation of the proteins IS the response.
 Quoting: RationalOne


Nobody is arguing that, shill.

You’re intentionally evading the subject of the thread, which is that these new studies have demonstrated that it goes well beyond what you’re asserting (that nobody is contesting), and that these mRNA vaccines very likely and probably DO permanently and irreversibly alter a person’s DNA, which will result in autoimmune problems in the near future.

God damn shill.

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It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
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-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

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by later this year, we'll find out what happens when somebody gets the jab, then gets pregnant and gives birth...

that should be informative one way or the other
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sounds like none have made it so far...it kills the babies right in the womb.
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"To be fair, this study didn’t show that the RNA from the current vaccines is being integrated into our DNA. However, they did show, quite convincingly, that there exists a viable cellular pathway whereby snippets of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA could become integrated into our genomic DNA. In my opinion, more research is needed to both corroborate these findings, and to close some gaps."

The important parts, in red.

Let's not jump the gun, and by all means keep an eye on the science.

People but WAY too much faith in "studies". Do we all understand all of the variables? Doubtful
 Quoting: RationalOne


Read the entire article and not just take snippets of it to disparage the author.

He makes clear at the end of the article:

” I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did. I simply asked the question, and provided hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur. I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable. It most certainly deserves closer inspection and testing to rule this possibility out, and I would hope that a rigorous and comprehensive test program would be instituted with the same enthusiasm that propelled the vaccine haphazardly through the normal safety checkpoints.”

.
 Quoting: Zovalex



I wasn't criticizing the author. I am pointing out that those who use studies like this expect that no one will read it through. I'm pointing out, as did the author, that it's being used to troll the gullible. I disagree with his use of the word "probable" and agree that we need to watch the science.

What is it I wrote is in conflict? And the article is right there for all to read. Do I have to spoonfeed background before I post a quite FROM the study? I'm not following how you are trying to gig me. I quoted the same source you did!

It is STILL a "study". There is a long way to go before it's accepted science theory.
 Quoting: RationalOne


DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT NO FDA-APPROVED STUDIES OF THIS EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE WERE EVER DONE..????

People like you are advocating for this vaccine that has NOT gone through ordinary clinical study protocols, yet when study results show this experimental vaccine is probably dangerous and irreversible, you claim “people put way too much faith in studies”.

....and yet you have the audacity to use “Rational One” as your member name.

One more thing, you god damn Big Pharma shill:

The author is a molecular biologist that correctly and accurately uses the statement:

”I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.

Nobody gives a rat’s ass that YOU, a shill for the vax industry, “don’t agree with it”.

Go take this experimental DNA-altering vaccine, shill.

The world needs to reduce the population of the Stupid and the deceitful, lying Big Pharma shills.
.
 Quoting: Zovalex


I understand it perfectly, and I understand why, and I understand why it isn't the huge deal the paranoids make it out to be.

I'm advocating for reducing the spread of this disease because I think the disease is more dangerous than suggested by so many. I don't believe in forcing anyone to take the vaccine.

It's not audacity. It's emotional intelligence. Get some!

The backbone of mRNA technology has been studied for a very long time. The science is sound and wasn't implemented willy-nilly! In my opinion, it's obvious that you have a VERY limited understanding of the technology, and you are fearmongering based on that limited understanding. Again, that is my opinion.

You obviously have hatred for corporations that sell drugs. That's your right! But, I don't have that hatred, in most cases.

You lose as soon as you call someone a "shill". It's a stupidly overused word that proves more about the one using it than the one it's being used against.

Bye.
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The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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After all, we’ve been told in no uncertain terms that it would be impossible for the mRNA in a vaccine to become integrated into our DNA, simply because “RNA doesn’t work that way.” Well, this current research which was released not too long after my original article demonstrates that yes, indeed, “RNA does work that way”. In my original article, I spelled out this exact molecular pathway.

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clappa

This is stuff why RichieFromBoston's YouTube channels were all taken from him. He was one of the few Truther YouTubers who actually showed these exact truths very early. Almost immediately after Bill Gates admitted as much in at least one of his interviews during the Year 2020 RichieFromBoston was there showing such truths. He was destroyed on YouTube. His other social media accounts are failing due to similar BS. His physical health is deteriorating due to him having become what I am very much certain a Targeted Individual. All because he showed these same truths back in the Year 2020.
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I have had both shots.

I am not afraid. I'm going to die anyway! Science is not a "saviour", that's just silly. Respect for knowledge and understanding is just part of evolution.


Please show me such an article from those who have expertise in the fields of study. I think you are trying to fudge semantics in an effort to discredit me.

What "genetic" experiment?
 Quoting: RationalOne


Um, the mRNA one you just took. The one that is going to make your entire body become a spike-protein production plant. That won't elicit an immunity to the virus. Fauci's own words.
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mRNA is experimental. It hasn't even completed phase III trials. It was rushed through the FDA under an emergency act, not based on any real scientific studies that present the short-term or long-term side-effects.

The NIH even says it's experimental and only prevents symptoms.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

So you saying this will give you antibodies and protect you from infection or spreading covid is entirely wrong and you are misinforming other people encouraging them to take an experimental vaccine that has a greater chance of injuring them than the virus itself.

[link to www.theburningplatform.com (secure)]

The 1976 H1N1 only injured ~1700 people where as this is already in excess of injuring 50,000.

This is what it did to the Animals tested.
[link to regenerativemc.com (secure)]
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


I guess what we are discussing here is a difference between an "immune response" or an "immune system response". The immune system responds with a response to create the proteins. I am NOT saying the vaccine creates antibodies in the traditional sense. It's certainly an evolution in treatment. But to act like this science is dangerously new, is silly.

That is not a reason to be afraid.

I found this:

How mRNA Vaccines Work
mRNA is a piece of genetic material that cells use as "instructions" to create certain proteins in the body. It is like a bit of computer code.

When it's not inside a cell, mRNA needs protection to keep it from disintegrating. This is why the vaccines require cold temperature storage. To keep the mRNA from disintegrating when it enters the body, the COVID-19 vaccines use fat bubbles to shuttle the mRNA to certain cells.

The mRNA instructs these cells to create "spike proteins." These proteins simulate part of the SARS-CoV-2 (novel coronavirus) cell structure and trick the body into believing it's infected with the virus.

In the case of the mRNA vaccines, your body is never exposed to the germ but is still able to produce an effective immune response.


The creation of the proteins IS the response.
 Quoting: RationalOne


Nobody is arguing that, shill.

You’re intentionally evading the subject of the thread, which is that these new studies have demonstrated that it goes well beyond what you’re asserting (that nobody is contesting), and that these mRNA vaccines very likely and probably DO permanently and irreversibly alter a person’s DNA, which will result in autoimmune problems in the near future.

God damn shill.

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 Quoting: Zovalex


There is ZERO evidence that the vaccine manipulates DNA in any way. YOUR ignorance owns you. Sorry.

The study conclusions and the thread headline don't work well with each other. The study did NOT "admit that mRNA vaccines "will" permanently alter your DNA". There is a possible path.

We should keep an eye on that!

God damn cunt.
Claiming to be a "Christian" is not the same as acting like one. We see your hypocrisy, and it is painfully obvious.

The hypocrites go to "hell" also..Calling oneself a Christian, while letting yourself be owned by hate and fear while engaging in false witness, IS hypocrisy.
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After all, we’ve been told in no uncertain terms that it would be impossible for the mRNA in a vaccine to become integrated into our DNA, simply because “RNA doesn’t work that way.” Well, this current research which was released not too long after my original article demonstrates that yes, indeed, “RNA does work that way”. In my original article, I spelled out this exact molecular pathway.

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Tell you what! If this consequence eliminates blacks , the planet earth will once again advance, purify, and flourish!!!


ebonics translation: , troo dat muh homies, an yoo noe dats rite!
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The resident Big Pharma shill offers NO “sound science” of any kind to rebut the study (that strongly indicates this is a DNA-altering vax), and his only argument is “I don’t agree with it”.

The science is absolutely NOT “sound” as has been pointed out by virologists, immunologists, and molecular biologists around the world.

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Read the entire article and not just take snippets of it to disparage the author.

He makes clear at the end of the article:

” I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did. I simply asked the question, and provided hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur. I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable. It most certainly deserves closer inspection and testing to rule this possibility out, and I would hope that a rigorous and comprehensive test program would be instituted with the same enthusiasm that propelled the vaccine haphazardly through the normal safety checkpoints.”

.
 Quoting: Zovalex



I wasn't criticizing the author. I am pointing out that those who use studies like this expect that no one will read it through. I'm pointing out, as did the author, that it's being used to troll the gullible. I disagree with his use of the word "probable" and agree that we need to watch the science.

What is it I wrote is in conflict? And the article is right there for all to read. Do I have to spoonfeed background before I post a quite FROM the study? I'm not following how you are trying to gig me. I quoted the same source you did!

It is STILL a "study". There is a long way to go before it's accepted science theory.
 Quoting: RationalOne


DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT NO FDA-APPROVED STUDIES OF THIS EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE WERE EVER DONE..????

People like you are advocating for this vaccine that has NOT gone through ordinary clinical study protocols, yet when study results show this experimental vaccine is probably dangerous and irreversible, you claim “people put way too much faith in studies”.

....and yet you have the audacity to use “Rational One” as your member name.

One more thing, you god damn Big Pharma shill:

The author is a molecular biologist that correctly and accurately uses the statement:

”I believe this current research validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.

Nobody gives a rat’s ass that YOU, a shill for the vax industry, “don’t agree with it”.

Go take this experimental DNA-altering vaccine, shill.

The world needs to reduce the population of the Stupid and the deceitful, lying Big Pharma shills.
.
 Quoting: Zovalex


I understand it perfectly, and I understand why, and I understand why it isn't the huge deal the paranoids make it out to be.

I'm advocating for reducing the spread of this disease because I think the disease is more dangerous than suggested by so many. I don't believe in forcing anyone to take the vaccine.

It's not audacity. It's emotional intelligence. Get some!

The backbone of mRNA technology has been studied for a very long time. The science is sound and wasn't implemented willy-nilly! In my opinion, it's obvious that you have a VERY limited understanding of the technology, and you are fearmongering based on that limited understanding. Again, that is my opinion.

You obviously have hatred for corporations that sell drugs. That's your right! But, I don't have that hatred, in most cases.

You lose as soon as you call someone a "shill". It's a stupidly overused word that proves more about the one using it than the one it's being used against.

Bye.
 Quoting: RationalOne


There is no such thing as "emotional intelligence", RationalOne. You can not possibly be a rational individual and be emotional at the same time. It just is not logical. You are simply not a logical individual who depends way too much on emotionalism as well, RationalOne.
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The resident Big Pharma shill offers NO “sound science” of any kind to rebut the study (that strongly indicates this is a DNA-altering vax), and his only argument is “I don’t agree with it”.

The science is absolutely NOT “sound” as has been pointed out by virologists, immunologists, and molecular biologists around the world.

.
 Quoting: Zovalex


clappa
Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker.

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Experimental fast tracked mRNA DNA ''vaccine''.

I'm amazed so many people subjected themselves to this poison.

It's a tragedy of epic proportion perpetrated against mankind.
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How long to you think this technology has been researched?

Are you suggesting that this technology was just whipped up over the last year?

Please learn the complete history of this subject, which you don't seem to have ANY understanding of.

But, we all know fear sells...so...shill away!
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Nature is the only pharmacy one really needs. You're defending a group of sorcerers engaged in ongoing harm, extortion, and experimentation upon mankind.

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Gates on this thread shows how it affects DNA

Thread: Did U Know mRNA Vaxx Contains. . . (Page 2)

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