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Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 9 - Livestream

 
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you can avoid the overdose you would have had with some reversal drugs.
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So then overdose is just a potentially lethal dose? And, we can’t be sure everyone who received a counteracting drug would have died, can we? My point isn’t to be obtuse but just to get more of a focused idea of what overdose really means. Because the concept ties into Floyd’s death even if someone thinks the police killed him.
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well, it's not just potentially lethal it is definitely lethal without antidote. or else, it's not an over dose.
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That is a complete lie...

I have many friends who have overdosed and didn’t receive any treatments... stop taking out your ass
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then they didn't over dose.
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Chauvin knelt on Floyds neck almost three minutes after Floyd's last breath. Chauvin was not hyper-vigilant about the crowd. He wasn't even paying attention to the crowd. He knew what he did and did not render aid.
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Chauvin knelt on Floyds neck almost three minutes after Floyd's last breath. Chauvin was not hyper-vigilant about the crowd. He wasn't even paying attention to the crowd. He knew what he did and did not render aid.
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what kind of aid do you suggest to fix a 90% arterial blockage at the roadside?
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Chauvin knelt on Floyds neck almost three minutes after Floyd's last breath. Chauvin was not hyper-vigilant about the crowd. He wasn't even paying attention to the crowd. He knew what he did and did not render aid.
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what kind of aid do you suggest to fix a 90% arterial blockage at the roadside?
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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Ahhh, I thought so. I thought I remembered her saying a couple of weeks. She said a couple of months which would drop that tolerance even more.
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Wow... that prosecutor said he would have built up tolerance yet another witness, his GF, says he was clean for months...

So much biased... so much manipulation
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If he was clean then isn’t that the most dangerous time to use? Clean people think they can handle more than a novice. I’ve heard from people that with heroin using after being clean is very dangerous. That would apply to fentanyl too I’d think.
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I believe so yes... from experience when I stop smoking weed for a few months I have to ease myself into it or I’m high as a fucking kite...
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overdose, is a fatal dose.
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So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
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You can overdose without dying. Some people 'wake up' on their own. Some people need intervention, like narcan.
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So then overdose is just a potentially lethal dose? And, we can’t be sure everyone who received a counteracting drug would have died, can we? My point isn’t to be obtuse but just to get more of a focused idea of what overdose really means. Because the concept ties into Floyd’s death even if someone thinks the police killed him.
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well, it's not just potentially lethal it is definitely lethal without antidote. or else, it's not an over dose.
 Quoting: ID2268


That is a complete lie...

I have many friends who have overdosed and didn’t receive any treatments... stop taking out your ass
 Quoting: <~>


then they didn't over dose.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
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well, it's not just potentially lethal it is definitely lethal without antidote. or else, it's not an over dose.
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That is a complete lie...

I have many friends who have overdosed and didn’t receive any treatments... stop taking out your ass
 Quoting: <~>


then they didn't over dose.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
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if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.


- you've either had too much for comfort and will simply recover.

or you've overdosed and you will die without intervention.

otherwise, where do you draw the line?

it's always been clear up until now that an overdose was a toxic dose of a drug that harms the body to the point you will die. not at a level that simply causes harm, because you can state any amount causes some harm and therefor any amount is an overdose.

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Smock seems like another over eager prosecution witness. He doesn’t seem balanced. He seems to only pay attention to evidence that fits his opinion. He seems to ignore other evidence. He can’t explain all the facts.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


Over opinionated too. Watch his tone change during cross examination. Really sick of paid witnesses. I basically have tuned out.
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I’m not sure what jurors think. I would be put off by that. The LAPD witness was actually a fair expert witness.
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These social justice warrior witnesses are over the top. They always reply to the prosecution questions extremely adamantly, like they're totally positive that their answer is 100% fact when it is actually an opinion, yet when the defense asks an obvious question like "can struggling with police affect a person's heart rate?" they act so suspicious and answer in a hesitating tone like "it's possssssible, depending on the circumstances". It's ridiculous and so obviously biased. I really hope the jury sees through this bull.
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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Ahhh, I thought so. I thought I remembered her saying a couple of weeks. She said a couple of months which would drop that tolerance even more.
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He was on some kind of Recovery program after the OD. They found empty and full packs of Suboxone in his car. Clinics prescribe that for Opioid addicts.
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That is a complete lie...

I have many friends who have overdosed and didn’t receive any treatments... stop taking out your ass
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then they didn't over dose.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
 Quoting: <~>


if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.
 Quoting: ID2268


You’re wrong, it’s ok... lol now you know the truth...

Not every overdose results or death...

TBH my neighbor overdosed just last week on fentanyl and was in the shower shitting all over himself and had to call 911 to come get him.. he is fine and survived without any drugs CPR, etc... they gave him an IV and held him for 48 hours.

Would you like me to get the hospital paperwork and police report that says that says he OD’d? Lol

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If he was clean then isn’t that the most dangerous time to use? Clean people think they can handle more than a novice. I’ve heard from people that with heroin using after being clean is very dangerous. That would apply to fentanyl too I’d think.
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That's correct
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Smock seems like another over eager prosecution witness. He doesn’t seem balanced. He seems to only pay attention to evidence that fits his opinion. He seems to ignore other evidence. He can’t explain all the facts.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


Over opinionated too. Watch his tone change during cross examination. Really sick of paid witnesses. I basically have tuned out.
 Quoting: 18328


I’m not sure what jurors think. I would be put off by that. The LAPD witness was actually a fair expert witness.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


These social justice warrior witnesses are over the top. They always reply to the prosecution questions extremely adamantly, like they're totally positive that their answer is 100% fact when it is actually an opinion, yet when the defense asks an obvious question like "can struggling with police affect a person's heart rate?" they act so suspicious and answer in a hesitating tone like "it's possssssible, depending on the circumstances". It's ridiculous and so obviously biased. I really hope the jury sees through this bull.
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It's the States case, I'm sure we will see different when the Defense gets to present their case.
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As a society we have wasted SO MUCH TIME, ENERGY, MONEY on this loser, Saint George Fentanyl. In the end, we now KNOW that Chauvin was NOT on his neck, but on his shoulder blade. That he did not kill or even injure Floyd, nor impair his breathing. Floyd died from a combination of drugs HE TOOK HIMSELF along with his own varied health problems, after behaving aggressively towards the police.

There should have been an inquest into his death immediately afterwards and none of the officers should have been charged, no money paid to his family, and no gold caskets. Appalling political display.
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then they didn't over dose.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
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if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.
 Quoting: ID2268


You’re wrong, it’s ok... lol now you know the truth...

Not every overdose results or death...

TBH my neighbor overdosed just last week on fentanyl and was in the shower shitting all over himself and had to call 911 to come get him.. he is fine and survived without any drugs CPR, etc... they gave him an IV and held him for 48 hours.

Would you like me to get the hospital paperwork and police report that says that says he OD’d? Lol
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then that's not an overdose, is it. clearly, there is no indication that he even had any more than a standard recreational drug dose, by the description you gave.

- if the person who was declaring it an overdose considered an overdose to simply be a dose that causes harm and not death without intervention and that person also considers that they should have no fentanyl in their system, then the mere presence of fentanyl according to them is an overdose.

makes the whole thing bs and meaningless.

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As a society we have wasted SO MUCH TIME, ENERGY, MONEY on this loser, Saint George Fentanyl. In the end, we now KNOW that Chauvin was NOT on his neck, but on his shoulder blade. That he did not kill or even injure Floyd, nor impair his breathing. Floyd died from a combination of drugs HE TOOK HIMSELF along with his own varied health problems, after behaving aggressively towards the police.

There should have been an inquest into his death immediately afterwards and none of the officers should have been charged, no money paid to his family, and no gold caskets. Appalling political display.
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You are right. Floyd has cost society millions. It started long ago with his criminal career. It continued with his expensive hospital stays. It ended with an expensive trial and ridiculous payout so he could have a funeral wagon European nobility would be jealous of.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
 Quoting: <~>


if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.
 Quoting: ID2268


You’re wrong, it’s ok... lol now you know the truth...

Not every overdose results or death...

TBH my neighbor overdosed just last week on fentanyl and was in the shower shitting all over himself and had to call 911 to come get him.. he is fine and survived without any drugs CPR, etc... they gave him an IV and held him for 48 hours.

Would you like me to get the hospital paperwork and police report that says that says he OD’d? Lol
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then that's not an overdose, is it. clearly, there is no indication that he even had any more than a standard recreational drug dose, by the description you gave.

- if the person who was declaring it an overdose considered an overdose to simply be a dose that causes harm and not death without intervention and that person also considers that they should have no fentanyl in their system, then the mere presence of fentanyl according to them is an overdose.

makes the whole thing bs and meaningless.
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Not every overdose results in death. I’m sorry that you were under the impression it did but I’m glad now you know the truth.
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As a society we have wasted SO MUCH TIME, ENERGY, MONEY on this loser, Saint George Fentanyl. In the end, we now KNOW that Chauvin was NOT on his neck, but on his shoulder blade. That he did not kill or even injure Floyd, nor impair his breathing. Floyd died from a combination of drugs HE TOOK HIMSELF along with his own varied health problems, after behaving aggressively towards the police.

There should have been an inquest into his death immediately afterwards and none of the officers should have been charged, no money paid to his family, and no gold caskets. Appalling political display.
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You are right. Floyd has cost society millions. It started long ago with his criminal career. It continued with his expensive hospital stays. It ended with an expensive trial and ridiculous payout so he could have a funeral wagon European nobility would be jealous of.
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Very well said, and you really highlight that George Floyd PERSONALLY cost this society countless millions of dollars from his birth through his death and beyond. It's amazing the impact one loser can have.
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if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.
 Quoting: ID2268


You’re wrong, it’s ok... lol now you know the truth...

Not every overdose results or death...

TBH my neighbor overdosed just last week on fentanyl and was in the shower shitting all over himself and had to call 911 to come get him.. he is fine and survived without any drugs CPR, etc... they gave him an IV and held him for 48 hours.

Would you like me to get the hospital paperwork and police report that says that says he OD’d? Lol
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then that's not an overdose, is it. clearly, there is no indication that he even had any more than a standard recreational drug dose, by the description you gave.

- if the person who was declaring it an overdose considered an overdose to simply be a dose that causes harm and not death without intervention and that person also considers that they should have no fentanyl in their system, then the mere presence of fentanyl according to them is an overdose.

makes the whole thing bs and meaningless.
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Not every overdose results in death. I’m sorry that you were under the impression it did but I’m glad now you know the truth.
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you're missing the point. i know an overdose is a fatal dose. you and others alike are using an incorrect definition, one that no doubt stems from some kind of medical corruption.

-next you will be telling me that everyone who's whitying on cannabis is over dosing.

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Amazing that this doctor didn't find it important to mention that a fentanyl overdose would contribute to shallow breathing and the death of floyd. He is putting all blame on physical restraint and not the coctail of drugs. He essentially impeached himself and he will get destroyed on cross examination.
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I had my son put me in this position and lift my arms behind me. It did nothing to impair my breathing. This is total bullshit. And my son is 23, 240 LBS and 6'2". C'mon man....
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Same here I made 9 minutes no problem and mark made 15 before we got bore. 6 of my friends drinking all took turns. We held to continuously talk to make sure we didn’t pass out all of us just said it hurt like a bitch. Everyone involved was above the cops weight.

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then they didn't over dose.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
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if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.
 Quoting: ID2268


You’re wrong, it’s ok... lol now you know the truth...

Not every overdose results or death...

TBH my neighbor overdosed just last week on fentanyl and was in the shower shitting all over himself and had to call 911 to come get him.. he is fine and survived without any drugs CPR, etc... they gave him an IV and held him for 48 hours.

Would you like me to get the hospital paperwork and police report that says that says he OD’d? Lol
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All they need is reasonable doubt. If anyone ODed at that level is reasonable. Much less the other 6 drugs in his system.
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then they didn't over dose.
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Not every over dose results in death...

Drug overdose meaning

A drug overdose is taking too much of a substance, whether it’s prescription, over-the-counter, legal, or illegal. Drug overdoses may be accidental or intentional. If you’ve taken more than the recommended amount of a drug or enough to have a harmful effect on your body’s functions, you have overdosed.

An overdose can lead to serious medical complications, including death. The severity of a drug overdose depends on the drug, the amount taken, and the physical and medical history of the person who overdosed.

INCLUDING DEATH

but I’m open to it so please show me the definition where it says EVERY overdose results in death
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if that's the definition of overdose you're going with, then you've effectively made it meaningless and unquantative.

you've turned the definition of having too much of something into a trivial maybe it's too much.
 Quoting: ID2268


You’re wrong, it’s ok... lol now you know the truth...

Not every overdose results or death...

TBH my neighbor overdosed just last week on fentanyl and was in the shower shitting all over himself and had to call 911 to come get him.. he is fine and survived without any drugs CPR, etc... they gave him an IV and held him for 48 hours.

Would you like me to get the hospital paperwork and police report that says that says he OD’d? Lol
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You are just wrong.

It is clear that it is the concoction of way overdosing of drugs that actually killed Floyd. Not the knee on the shoulder blades/neck.

Steven crowdeder proved this not once but twice. The move the cop did would never kill anyone ever.
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I wonder why the prosecution put into evidence this video concerning Chauvin's other leg being positioned on his back preventing inhalation:

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Rather than this picture which actually shows his second leg vastly in Floyd's elbow region and if on his back (on any side) barely:

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Chauvin knelt on Floyds neck almost three minutes after Floyd's last breath. Chauvin was not hyper-vigilant about the crowd. He wasn't even paying attention to the crowd. He knew what he did and did not render aid.
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This is the same dumb bitch that was commenting yesterday on this thread, saying the same stupid shit. Do you fuclong realize thwre WAS NO bruising anywhere on the neck/throat area. Thats NOT what killed him, but you are a shill so I guess it doesn't matter.
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Amazing that this doctor didn't find it important to mention that a fentanyl overdose would contribute to shallow breathing and the death of floyd. He is putting all blame on physical restraint and not the coctail of drugs. He essentially impeached himself and he will get destroyed on cross examination.
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I had my son put me in this position and lift my arms behind me. It did nothing to impair my breathing. This is total bullshit. And my son is 23, 240 LBS and 6'2". C'mon man....
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Same here I made 9 minutes no problem and mark made 15 before we got bore. 6 of my friends drinking all took turns. We held to continuously talk to make sure we didn’t pass out all of us just said it hurt like a bitch. Everyone involved was above the cops weight.
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I wonder if Nelson has a similar demonstration planned for his defense case. Bring in some dude the same size as Floyd and have Chauvin kneel on his neck for 20 minutes just to be really hammer the point home.
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Chauvin knelt on Floyds neck almost three minutes after Floyd's last breath. Chauvin was not hyper-vigilant about the crowd. He wasn't even paying attention to the crowd. He knew what he did and did not render aid.
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I think there is a prospect of manslaughter, but he did not murder Floyd.

He was on the back of his neck preventing blood circulation (yet to see any argument that the back of the neck hinders breathing): not murder

His action on the neck was mostly authorized tactics, because it was not a neck restraint which involves smothering breathing on both sides of the neck, it is a pin directed at his upper back but was a couple of inches onto his neck. A pin is valid for passive resistance but as he arrived late on the scene with only vague notions of his level of resistance prior he didn't know for sure whether a pin was required: not murder

Floyd likely had swallowed a drug that causes difficulty breathing when he was in the back of the police car to prevent them being found on him. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it found that the pills had his saliva on them? not murder

Since the officers pin was not smothering his breathing on his throat and was not positioned on the back as the prosecutors alledge: not murder

Did the officer show indifference to his welfare? He very well might have. He certainly should have released him when he went limp. He didn't. Potential arguments for a manslaughter conviction since there is no proof that his actions actually killed Floyd.
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Amazing that this doctor didn't find it important to mention that a fentanyl overdose would contribute to shallow breathing and the death of floyd. He is putting all blame on physical restraint and not the coctail of drugs. He essentially impeached himself and he will get destroyed on cross examination.
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I had my son put me in this position and lift my arms behind me. It did nothing to impair my breathing. This is total bullshit. And my son is 23, 240 LBS and 6'2". C'mon man....
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Same here I made 9 minutes no problem and mark made 15 before we got bore. 6 of my friends drinking all took turns. We held to continuously talk to make sure we didn’t pass out all of us just said it hurt like a bitch. Everyone involved was above the cops weight.
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I wonder if Nelson has a similar demonstration planned for his defense case. Bring in some dude the same size as Floyd and have Chauvin kneel on his neck for 20 minutes just to be really hammer the point home.
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That would be quite a gambit. In one sense if it works it would be fairly compelling. But it could also stir up emotions of the jurors. Seeing this go on in person for close to ten minutes might look inhumane.

But this raises an important point. All these eggheads testifying that the cops killed Floyd are using models. Have they ever actually tested their theory? I mean if it is as dangerous as they say then it should be easy to verify with an actual test. If could be made safe by having the test subject wear devices to show oxygen levels. So you would stop the experiment when it became obvious it was dangerous or deadly.

Why not test it with a rig that ensures the amount of weight is correct and the placement is right to mimic the worst case scenario presented in Floyd’s death.
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Chauvin knelt on Floyds neck almost three minutes after Floyd's last breath. Chauvin was not hyper-vigilant about the crowd. He wasn't even paying attention to the crowd. He knew what he did and did not render aid.
 Quoting: Soap


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Did the officer show indifference to his welfare? He very well might have. He certainly should have released him when he went limp. He didn't. Potential arguments for a manslaughter conviction since there is no proof that his actions actually killed Floyd.
 Quoting: GooPile


Here the crowd who thought they were helpful may have contributed to Floyd being killed. The crowd was clearly hostile. The crowd threatened the officers. Also, the neighborhood is unsafe and full of criminals.

Remember Floyd resisted arrest. Once he did that he presented a greater risk and required greater control.

The EMS judged the situation to be volatile enough that they didn’t stay on scene to perform their duties but drove off.
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I had my son put me in this position and lift my arms behind me. It did nothing to impair my breathing. This is total bullshit. And my son is 23, 240 LBS and 6'2". C'mon man....
 Quoting: 18328


Same here I made 9 minutes no problem and mark made 15 before we got bore. 6 of my friends drinking all took turns. We held to continuously talk to make sure we didn’t pass out all of us just said it hurt like a bitch. Everyone involved was above the cops weight.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


I wonder if Nelson has a similar demonstration planned for his defense case. Bring in some dude the same size as Floyd and have Chauvin kneel on his neck for 20 minutes just to be really hammer the point home.
 Quoting: Revbo™


That would be quite a gambit. In one sense if it works it would be fairly compelling. But it could also stir up emotions of the jurors. Seeing this go on in person for close to ten minutes might look inhumane.

But this raises an important point. All these eggheads testifying that the cops killed Floyd are using models. Have they ever actually tested their theory? I mean if it is as dangerous as they say then it should be easy to verify with an actual test. If could be made safe by having the test subject wear devices to show oxygen levels. So you would stop the experiment when it became obvious it was dangerous or deadly.

Why not test it with a rig that ensures the amount of weight is correct and the placement is right to mimic the worst case scenario presented in Floyd’s death.
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Hell, if I were Nelson, I’d spend a whole day doing nothing other then having Chauvin kneel on different dudes’ necks to show that it’s not a fluke. Of course, test it first, but I really think the prosecution is basing its case on something that is not all that dangerous. I mean, why are we hearing from all these medical types talking about how that’s what killed him but nobody has ever heard of anyone actually dying that way?
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You are right. Floyd has cost society millions. It started long ago with his criminal career. It continued with his expensive hospital stays. It ended with an expensive trial and ridiculous payout so he could have a funeral wagon European nobility would be jealous of.
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Don't forget $500 billion in damages from the riots





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