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Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 9 - Livestream

 
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everyone seems to be missing this point but fentanyl is a sedative.

if he was overdosing he would be falling asleep, not having a panic attack.
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He was on meth too along with 5 other drugs have you not looked at toxicology.
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small amounts of drugs.

11 ng/ml fentanyl
86 ng/ml morphine
19 ng/ml meth
42 ng/ ml d9c-thc

I do not expect that amount of those drugs in that combination to cause respiratory failure.

Especially since he was having problems breathing before being on the floor.

He was having a panic attack.

That alone is enough to kill.
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Do you need me to link the CDC study where 2 people died of 11 and 13 ng/ml again? Lol
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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still the amount in his blood is a recreational dose. it's even smaller than you would give an infant for sedation.

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90% arterial blockage. stressing the body, panic attack. stressful circumstances.

jury verdict. death by misadventure.
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everyone seems to be missing this point but fentanyl is a sedative.

if he was overdosing he would be falling asleep, not having a panic attack.
 Quoting: ID2268


He was on meth too along with 5 other drugs have you not looked at toxicology.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


small amounts of drugs.

11 ng/ml fentanyl
86 ng/ml morphine
19 ng/ml meth
42 ng/ ml d9c-thc

I do not expect that amount of those drugs in that combination to cause respiratory failure.

Especially since he was having problems breathing before being on the floor.

He was having a panic attack.

That alone is enough to kill.
 Quoting: ID2268



Out of 150 people that overdosed on Fentanyl, they all had between 3 to 6 nb/ml in their system.
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everyone seems to be missing this point but fentanyl is a sedative.

if he was overdosing he would be falling asleep, not having a panic attack.
 Quoting: ID2268


He was on meth too along with 5 other drugs have you not looked at toxicology.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


small amounts of drugs.

11 ng/ml fentanyl
86 ng/ml morphine
19 ng/ml meth
42 ng/ ml d9c-thc

I do not expect that amount of those drugs in that combination to cause respiratory failure.

Especially since he was having problems breathing before being on the floor.

He was having a panic attack.

That alone is enough to kill.
 Quoting: ID2268


Do you need me to link the CDC study where 2 people died of 11 and 13 ng/ml again? Lol
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that doesn't mean he died of it and by the looks of it. he didn't.
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everyone seems to be missing this point but fentanyl is a sedative.

if he was overdosing he would be falling asleep, not having a panic attack.
 Quoting: ID2268


He was on meth too along with 5 other drugs have you not looked at toxicology.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


small amounts of drugs.

11 ng/ml fentanyl
86 ng/ml morphine
19 ng/ml meth
42 ng/ ml d9c-thc

I do not expect that amount of those drugs in that combination to cause respiratory failure.

Especially since he was having problems breathing before being on the floor.

He was having a panic attack.

That alone is enough to kill.
 Quoting: ID2268


Do you need me to link the CDC study where 2 people died of 11 and 13 ng/ml again? Lol
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Floyd's was high because he swallowed it when the first unit arrived.
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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still the amount in his blood is a recreational dose. it's even smaller than you would give an infant for sedation.

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90% arterial blockage. stressing the body, panic attack. stressful circumstances.

jury verdict. death by misadventure.
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You do not give a fentanyl dose for sedation WITHOUT VENTILATION. Without ventilation, you will croak. At 11 nl it is certainly possible.
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everyone seems to be missing this point but fentanyl is a sedative.

if he was overdosing he would be falling asleep, not having a panic attack.
 Quoting: ID2268


He was on meth too along with 5 other drugs have you not looked at toxicology.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


small amounts of drugs.

11 ng/ml fentanyl
86 ng/ml morphine
19 ng/ml meth
42 ng/ ml d9c-thc

I do not expect that amount of those drugs in that combination to cause respiratory failure.

Especially since he was having problems breathing before being on the floor.

He was having a panic attack.

That alone is enough to kill.
 Quoting: ID2268



Out of 150 people that overdosed on Fentanyl, they all had between 3 to 6 nb/ml in their system.
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assuming george flowyd has the regular 5 litres of blood observed in humans and 11 nano gram is 0.000011 micrograms. if you times that by 5000 ml then you get a dose of

0.055mcg

this is the dose for sedation of infants.

Younger infants:
---Sedation/analgesia: Slow IV push: 1 to 4 mcg/kg/dose; may repeat every 2 to 4 hours
---Continuous sedation/analgesia: Initial IV bolus: 1 to 2 mcg/kg
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He was on meth too along with 5 other drugs have you not looked at toxicology.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


small amounts of drugs.

11 ng/ml fentanyl
86 ng/ml morphine
19 ng/ml meth
42 ng/ ml d9c-thc

I do not expect that amount of those drugs in that combination to cause respiratory failure.

Especially since he was having problems breathing before being on the floor.

He was having a panic attack.

That alone is enough to kill.
 Quoting: ID2268


Do you need me to link the CDC study where 2 people died of 11 and 13 ng/ml again? Lol
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that doesn't mean he died of it and by the looks of it. he didn't.
 Quoting: ID2268


It means he could have... let’s remember that the cop is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty...

All we have to do is prove reasonable doubt... I would say that’s enough reasonable doubt...

Plus, he OD’d in March... I’m sure Nelson is just waiting on that evidence...

It will be interesting to see what his levels were then... if they are less than 11 ng/ml this case falls apart.
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
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March 2020 I believe
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
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March of 2020 was when he Overdosed.

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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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Ahhh, I thought so. I thought I remembered her saying a couple of weeks. She said a couple of months which would drop that tolerance even more.
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One specific thing out of this today. Testimony indicated there should be bruises from the force of the knee that would have caused these pulmonary shut downs.
No bruises there were reported in the autopsy.
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


March 2020 I believe
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


March of 2020 was when he Overdosed.

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 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Interesting. Does a recent overdose make you more susceptible to a fatal overdose? Does it further weaken the body? It seems to me it does.

Also, what exactly is an “overdose”? If you don’t die did you overdose? Stop the people who say the police killed Floyd, was he or was he not overdosing while being arrested?
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


March 2020 I believe
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


I’m unclear on the timeline of his overdose while being arrested in 2019 and mama taking him to the hospital for an overdose. When was the overdose where she took him to the hospital?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


March of 2020 was when he Overdosed.

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 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


Interesting. Does a recent overdose make you more susceptible to a fatal overdose? Does it further weaken the body? It seems to me it does.

Also, what exactly is an “overdose”? If you don’t die did you overdose? Stop the people who say the police killed Floyd, was he or was he not overdosing while being arrested?
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overdose, is a fatal dose.
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wouldn't it be ironic if he just had a spliff of nice cannabis just before the cops turned up and it was a "whitey" that killed him. - whitey - thc induced hypoglycemia resulting in arterial shrinkage.

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overdose, is a fatal dose.
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So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
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overdose, is a fatal dose.
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So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
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you can avoid the overdose you would have had with some reversal drugs.
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what was he trying to buy from the shop? - was it something containing sugar?

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what was he trying to buy from the shop?
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He bought cigarettes. L&M menthols I would think. Because there were some empty packs of those in the Mercedes when they processed it.
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what was he trying to buy from the shop?
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He bought cigarettes. L&M menthols I would think. Because there were some empty packs of those in the Mercedes when they processed it.
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How if they refused his fake money?
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overdose, is a fatal dose.
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So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


you can avoid the overdose you would have had with some reversal drugs.
 Quoting: ID2268


So then overdose is just a potentially lethal dose? And, we can’t be sure everyone who received a counteracting drug would have died, can we? My point isn’t to be obtuse but just to get more of a focused idea of what overdose really means. Because the concept ties into Floyd’s death even if someone thinks the police killed him.
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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Ahhh, I thought so. I thought I remembered her saying a couple of weeks. She said a couple of months which would drop that tolerance even more.
 Quoting: Simple27


Wow... that prosecutor said he would have built up tolerance yet another witness, his GF, says he was clean for months...

So much biased... so much manipulation
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what was he trying to buy from the shop?
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He bought cigarettes. L&M menthols I would think. Because there were some empty packs of those in the Mercedes when they processed it.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


How if they refused his fake money?
 Quoting: ID2268


They refused Hall when he tried to pass the Bill. Hall gave it to Floyd and he passed it.

Had they refused it, none of this would have happened.
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overdose, is a fatal dose.
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So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


you can avoid the overdose you would have had with some reversal drugs.
 Quoting: ID2268


So then overdose is just a potentially lethal dose? And, we can’t be sure everyone who received a counteracting drug would have died, can we? My point isn’t to be obtuse but just to get more of a focused idea of what overdose really means. Because the concept ties into Floyd’s death even if someone thinks the police killed him.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


well, it's not just potentially lethal it is definitely lethal without antidote. or else, it's not an over dose.
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overdose, is a fatal dose.
 Quoting: ID2268


So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


you can avoid the overdose you would have had with some reversal drugs.
 Quoting: ID2268


So then overdose is just a potentially lethal dose? And, we can’t be sure everyone who received a counteracting drug would have died, can we? My point isn’t to be obtuse but just to get more of a focused idea of what overdose really means. Because the concept ties into Floyd’s death even if someone thinks the police killed him.
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He’s an idiot, not every overdose results in death... lol
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what was he trying to buy from the shop?
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He bought cigarettes. L&M menthols I would think. Because there were some empty packs of those in the Mercedes when they processed it.
 Quoting: BBQ BOY™


He was a smoker! Oh man. Well that clearly is what killed him. Every cigarette pack has a government warning about death on them. And according to the government menthol is the most dangerous kind of cigarette.
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So anyone alive has never overdosed? You can’t have multiple overdoses?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


you can avoid the overdose you would have had with some reversal drugs.
 Quoting: ID2268


So then overdose is just a potentially lethal dose? And, we can’t be sure everyone who received a counteracting drug would have died, can we? My point isn’t to be obtuse but just to get more of a focused idea of what overdose really means. Because the concept ties into Floyd’s death even if someone thinks the police killed him.
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


well, it's not just potentially lethal it is definitely lethal without antidote. or else, it's not an over dose.
 Quoting: ID2268


That is a complete lie...

I have many friends who have overdosed and didn’t receive any treatments... stop taking out your ass
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Keep in mind Courteney Ross testified they had been clean for a few months.
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Ahhh, I thought so. I thought I remembered her saying a couple of weeks. She said a couple of months which would drop that tolerance even more.
 Quoting: Simple27


Wow... that prosecutor said he would have built up tolerance yet another witness, his GF, says he was clean for months...

So much biased... so much manipulation
 Quoting: <~>


If he was clean then isn’t that the most dangerous time to use? Clean people think they can handle more than a novice. I’ve heard from people that with heroin using after being clean is very dangerous. That would apply to fentanyl too I’d think.





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