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Derek Chauvin Trial - Day 9 - Livestream

 
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The issue here, and I’ll link it in a second is that there have been overdoses of people with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood..

Figures lie and liars figure...
 Quoting: <~>


Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
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The issue here, and I’ll link it in a second is that there have been overdoses of people with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood..

Figures lie and liars figure...
 Quoting: <~>


Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


An immediate family member of mine is a pathologist, told us a couple years ago that a lot of people who OD are the ones that were either first time users OR people that had gotten off and then relapsed.
For some reason, you're even more susceptible when you relapse.
Probably the healing process of the body, but that's why you find of lot of 'reformed' addicts overdosing after a small amount of ingesting.
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The issue here, and I’ll link it in a second is that there have been overdoses of people with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood..

Figures lie and liars figure...
 Quoting: <~>


Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
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There is no way they can claim it was a death due to overdose.

Those blood levels would put him way under what they've been finding people stopped for DUI with.

I'm confident, unless the're lying about the fentanyl levels that he didn't die from an overdose.

- maybe he just died of covid. he was positive.
 Quoting: ID2268


No ratio we don’t know what his standard use was!

Plus there could have been multiple dose like one two hours before and then all the pills he swallowed after the cops came.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


i can guarantee you his standard use would of been of the level of at least someone who was able to still drive.

swallowing extra pills wouldn't make a difference unless they had entered the blood already. so if they are still in the stomach and not detectable in the blood, they can't also contribute to death, because, if it's not in the blood yet it can't kill you.
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The issue here, and I’ll link it in a second is that there have been overdoses of people with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood..

Figures lie and liars figure...
 Quoting: <~>


Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
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Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
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What's stopping the jury just saying they have no doubt.
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They need to subpeona Floyd's blood fentanyl level from his prior overdoses when he was hospitalized.
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The issue here, and I’ll link it in a second is that there have been overdoses of people with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood..

Figures lie and liars figure...
 Quoting: <~>


Straight from the CDC...

Serum samples from the hospitalized patients analyzed at UCSF demonstrated fentanyl levels of 0.5–9.5 ng/mL (Table 2) (therapeutic range for analgesia = 0.6–3.0 ng/mL) (4); postmortem levels in the first two patients who died were 11 ng/mL (patient E) and 13 ng/mL (patient I).

[link to www.cdc.gov (secure)]
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For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
 Quoting: <~>


What's stopping the jury just saying they have no doubt.
 Quoting: ID2268


Can’t speak to them as I haven’t even seen them yet... but as a juror this would create doubt
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They need to subpeona Floyd's blood fentanyl level from his prior overdoses when he was hospitalized.
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Excellent suggestion!
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Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
 Quoting: <~>


If they did find a case of death from knee on the neck the question then is why was The cop trained that way?

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The issue here, and I’ll link it in a second is that there have been overdoses of people with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood..

Figures lie and liars figure...
 Quoting: <~>


Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
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There is no way they can claim it was a death due to overdose.

Those blood levels would put him way under what they've been finding people stopped for DUI with.

I'm confident, unless the're lying about the fentanyl levels that he didn't die from an overdose.

- maybe he just died of covid. he was positive.
 Quoting: ID2268


No ratio we don’t know what his standard use was!

Plus there could have been multiple dose like one two hours before and then all the pills he swallowed after the cops came.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


i can guarantee you his standard use would of been of the level of at least someone who was able to still drive.

swallowing extra pills wouldn't make a difference unless they had entered the blood already. so if they are still in the stomach and not detectable in the blood, they can't also contribute to death, because, if it's not in the blood yet it can't kill you.
 Quoting: ID2268


Blood levels may not be everything. I get that, in general, the blood level may be a good indicator. But is that all there is to the issue? For instance, does the rapidity of administration of a drug matter? Does your blood level shooting up to some level make a difference as compared to slowly being raised to that level?
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Yep they find ODs at multiple levels. Hell most ODs are regular users that have a period of interruption jail, rehab, connections lost etc. that finally score again and do half or a third of what they regularly used and bam dead.

How do we know where GF was on his drug use schedule?

In my opinion all this does is creat an ambiguous un quantifiable cascade of several factors leading to death, in other words reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
 Quoting: <~>


That’s a very good point. So far, all we’ve heard is theories that a knee to the neck can kill someone. Surely, George Floyd is not the first person in history to take a knee to the neck, so where’s the other guy who died from that?

It’s not a perfect analogy, but I can say I’ve had about 150 pounds worth of children on my back in a game of Ride The Horsey and had no trouble with it at all, and I’m nowhere near the physical specimen George Floyd was.
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Court Back in session now:


"Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others."

Everyone has to work out their own salvation.

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Court Back in session now:


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There is no way they can claim it was a death due to overdose.

Those blood levels would put him way under what they've been finding people stopped for DUI with.

I'm confident, unless the're lying about the fentanyl levels that he didn't die from an overdose.

- maybe he just died of covid. he was positive.
 Quoting: ID2268


No ratio we don’t know what his standard use was!

Plus there could have been multiple dose like one two hours before and then all the pills he swallowed after the cops came.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


i can guarantee you his standard use would of been of the level of at least someone who was able to still drive.

swallowing extra pills wouldn't make a difference unless they had entered the blood already. so if they are still in the stomach and not detectable in the blood, they can't also contribute to death, because, if it's not in the blood yet it can't kill you.
 Quoting: ID2268


Blood levels may not be everything. I get that, in general, the blood level may be a good indicator. But is that all there is to the issue? For instance, does the rapidity of administration of a drug matter? Does your blood level shooting up to some level make a difference as compared to slowly being raised to that level?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


the point is, until it gets into the blood it's not ingested yet.

your stomach contents are outside of the body.

if it isn't absorbed into the blood, it's not doing anything yet.
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Nelson should have asked what the lowest number was. It would have been at barely detectable. This guys graph was meaningless.
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Nelson should have asked what the lowest number was. It would have been at barely detectable. This guys graph was meaningless.
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No ratio we don’t know what his standard use was!

Plus there could have been multiple dose like one two hours before and then all the pills he swallowed after the cops came.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


i can guarantee you his standard use would of been of the level of at least someone who was able to still drive.

swallowing extra pills wouldn't make a difference unless they had entered the blood already. so if they are still in the stomach and not detectable in the blood, they can't also contribute to death, because, if it's not in the blood yet it can't kill you.
 Quoting: ID2268


Blood levels may not be everything. I get that, in general, the blood level may be a good indicator. But is that all there is to the issue? For instance, does the rapidity of administration of a drug matter? Does your blood level shooting up to some level make a difference as compared to slowly being raised to that level?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


the point is, until it gets into the blood it's not ingested yet.

your stomach contents are outside of the body.

if it isn't absorbed into the blood, it's not doing anything yet.
 Quoting: ID2268


The point is it was slowly being absorbed raising over the 30 minutes he was interacting with police. Raising beyond his tolerance level.
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For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
 Quoting: <~>


That’s a very good point. So far, all we’ve heard is theories that a knee to the neck can kill someone. Surely, George Floyd is not the first person in history to take a knee to the neck, so where’s the other guy who died from that?

It’s not a perfect analogy, but I can say I’ve had about 150 pounds worth of children on my back in a game of Ride The Horsey and had no trouble with it at all, and I’m nowhere near the physical specimen George Floyd was.
 Quoting: Revbo™


Let's hope that Nelson has something along these lines he will address when he has the defense witnesses on the stand. I just don't believe the knee on the shoulder/neck killed this guy and above all we need justice to be served, not pacification.
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For me it’s about finding a case study where someone died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood... I did and linked it..

That immediately creates reasonable doubt for me... I couldn’t as a juror vote to convict him on that fact alone...
 Quoting: <~>


Exactly. It’s not the prosecution’s job to create reasonable doubt; it’s their job to prove Chauvin killed Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt, and the fact that other people have survived that much fentanyl doesn’t really help their case because, as long as one person has died as a result of that amount of fentanyl (and they have), it’s possible something other than Chauvin’s knee killed George Floyd, which is the definition of reasonable doubt.
 Quoting: Revbo™


I agree 100%. Now if I were the prosecutor and I knew this, I would find a case study where someone had died from force on the neck... all they are saying is it could happen... but has it? I didn’t look into this as the toxicology report was my first piece of evidence... I’ve also been paying attention and I have yet to see this case study presented as evidence..

To sway me, I need to see a case study where someone died with a knee on their neck...

Even then I would still have a hard time knowing that one can die from 11 ng/ml in their blood...

Like you said, I would need irrefutable proof... which I really don’t think exists
 Quoting: <~>


That’s a very good point. So far, all we’ve heard is theories that a knee to the neck can kill someone. Surely, George Floyd is not the first person in history to take a knee to the neck, so where’s the other guy who died from that?

It’s not a perfect analogy, but I can say I’ve had about 150 pounds worth of children on my back in a game of Ride The Horsey and had no trouble with it at all, and I’m nowhere near the physical specimen George Floyd was.
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Yeah as I was typing I realized all they have presented is theories... where the overdose has actual case studies we can refer too... I’m sure Nelson is waiting till the last moment to present this...
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i can guarantee you his standard use would of been of the level of at least someone who was able to still drive.

swallowing extra pills wouldn't make a difference unless they had entered the blood already. so if they are still in the stomach and not detectable in the blood, they can't also contribute to death, because, if it's not in the blood yet it can't kill you.
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Blood levels may not be everything. I get that, in general, the blood level may be a good indicator. But is that all there is to the issue? For instance, does the rapidity of administration of a drug matter? Does your blood level shooting up to some level make a difference as compared to slowly being raised to that level?
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the point is, until it gets into the blood it's not ingested yet.

your stomach contents are outside of the body.

if it isn't absorbed into the blood, it's not doing anything yet.
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The point is it was slowly being absorbed raising over the 30 minutes he was interacting with police. Raising beyond his tolerance level.
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you think his tolerance level as in his required dose to overdose and die was half that of the average found with those stopped for a DUI and still driving? that's a really really long stretch you're going for there.
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I wish the defense would just ask any of these doctors...Are there any health benefits to mixing fentanyl and methamphetamine?

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Blood levels may not be everything. I get that, in general, the blood level may be a good indicator. But is that all there is to the issue? For instance, does the rapidity of administration of a drug matter? Does your blood level shooting up to some level make a difference as compared to slowly being raised to that level?
 Quoting: Corporal Punishment


the point is, until it gets into the blood it's not ingested yet.

your stomach contents are outside of the body.

if it isn't absorbed into the blood, it's not doing anything yet.
 Quoting: ID2268


The point is it was slowly being absorbed raising over the 30 minutes he was interacting with police. Raising beyond his tolerance level.
 Quoting: Sardonic Dadaist


you think his tolerance level as in his required dose to overdose and die was half that of the average found with those stopped for a DUI and still driving? that's a really really long stretch you're going for there.
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It doesn’t matter. Multiple people have died with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in their system....





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