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Judas Iscariot was one of the original disciples of Jesus of Nazareth (d. c. 30 CE), one of the twelve apostles. For handing Jesus over to the authorities, as described in the gospels, he has become the epitome of the act of betrayal in the Christian tradition, eternally beyond forgiveness.

Then Mary took about a pint of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair ... But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, "Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor?" ... He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it. "Leave her alone," Jesus replied. "It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me. (12:1-8)

>Jesus accepts all equally
>Jesus teaches equality
>Judas guilty of (betrayal) + (thief)
>Judas remembered in history as betrayer
>theft is betrayal
>causes infinitely compounding algorithm (betrayal(thief)) due to how the story is perceived publically


As a result, in all the 9 Hells, does Judas suffer the worst, still?!


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Because when you think about it, that takes it to SUCH a personal level, as Judas was one of the 12 disciples.

That's the most personal act of betrayal in all human history.
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It was between them, Jesus and Judas.

But to *us, it means something.

That's a really personal attack on someone.

Because Jesus would prefer you didn't bring it up - he's not looking to make it personal.

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so that's a (creep) and a (flea)
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Because when you think about it, that takes it to SUCH a personal level, as Judas was one of the 12 disciples.

That's the most personal act of betrayal in all human history.
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No matter how you look at it, it is probably forgiven.


Not for us to judge, in any case.

Certainly nothing to get worked up about.
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Because when you think about it, that takes it to SUCH a personal level, as Judas was one of the 12 disciples.

That's the most personal act of betrayal in all human history.
 Quoting: gooddayforit


No matter how you look at it, it is probably forgiven.


Not for us to judge, in any case.

Certainly nothing to get worked up about.
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Yeah they would drop it after some time you would think.

I was just amused at how the scenario seems in a modern setting with their story told as if they stuck around...

By that I mean Judas. If he stuck around.

You see, to follow the tone here, I make a point of how you need to cut the difference between Judas and Jesus.
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Judas was NEVER beyond forgiveness. He would have been forgiven many times over had he not taken his own life.

He would have been a perfect example of how far God was willing to forgive us. I'd even assume Judas would have been one of the first people Jesus would appear to.

Most would argue that Judas was doomed right from the start, that there was no escaping what he was destined to do. And I would agree with that somewhat.

However, understand that GOD CAN SEE TIME AND SPACE LIKE A FLOWCHART. Every action we do, every decision we make affects the course of the universe. While there are events and timelines that are inevitable, God still leaves it up to human free will to decide how to take that route.

Consider, too, that Peter and Judas had more or less the same personality. Their difference was how they acted and reacted afterwards based on their situation.

Judas was just unfortunate that he had to play the role of the traitor. But he dwelt on the misery and gave himself no chance to make up for what he did. Would the others scorn him for what he did if he came back? No doubt, and they would have burned that guilt right into his heart. But had he waited for a few more days, Jesus would have redeemed him in one of the most extreme acts of mercy in history, and the other Apostles would have gained a deeper understanding of the nature of God through his example.

He let his conscience get the best of him so badly that he decided to give up, and that was his worst sin, not his betrayal.
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Judas did not do what claimed.. it was Judah Iharioth.. a different person with a similar name.
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In the Gospel of Judas, Jesus asks his friend who had a better understanding of the teachings than the others to turn him in in order to fulfill necessary act of defeating death on the cross. Judas was devastated by the request but did as he was asked. He was told he would rule over the last age before Christ returned. He did not commit suicide, he was murdered.

We're lucky to have the lost scrolls that have been found over the last 80 years to give a better insight than canonized scriptures that have been translated across several languages from original to English. Books that were purposely left out because they did not convey the fear and control narrative the rulers needed.
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It says judas was an unbeliever. That is why he wasn't saved.
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Judas did not do what claimed.. it was Judah Iharioth.. a different person with a similar name.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Judas was the apostle and always a close friend. Judah was the son of the pharisee ... betrayed Jesus. YOU BIBLE SAYS PHARISEE.. I believe I read when I read the thing.

that is correct. the truth was changed so as to make Judas enemy and he was never enemy.. You bible is not the word of God.

it is a collection of stories since the first book in the OT... many people did not comprehend and others screwed it up on purpose... the case of Judah vs Judas is but one example.

That Jesus was the only son of god is impossible as I have covered hugely here.

Many of you assume the God is the god of this planet who made an only son... this is not truth.

But it comes across in postings on GLP where people think Jesus has a Father different than each of you do.
.... and that is not truth..

the Creation does not work as you have falsely told. :hugs 1:
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The following is purely MHO OP.

Jesus knew behand what Judas was about to do yet He still celebrated the Bread and Wine with him. If Judas was the betrayer that the church makes out, why wouldn't Jesus wait until he had left before celebrating Holy Communion with the disciples?

I believe that Judas was following Jesus' instructions as SOMEONE had to do the dirty work and I don't believe that Judas did it willingly. I believe that it cut him to the quick and hence he took his own life afterward.

As I said, just MHO!
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The following is purely MHO OP.

Jesus knew behand what Judas was about to do yet He still celebrated the Bread and Wine with him. If Judas was the betrayer that the church makes out, why wouldn't Jesus wait until he had left before celebrating Holy Communion with the disciples?

I believe that Judas was following Jesus' instructions as SOMEONE had to do the dirty work and I don't believe that Judas did it willingly. I believe that it cut him to the quick and hence he took his own life afterward.

As I said, just MHO!
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he knew JUDAH was about to do it.. not Judas.
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The following is purely MHO OP.

Jesus knew behand what Judas was about to do yet He still celebrated the Bread and Wine with him. If Judas was the betrayer that the church makes out, why wouldn't Jesus wait until he had left before celebrating Holy Communion with the disciples?

I believe that Judas was following Jesus' instructions as SOMEONE had to do the dirty work and I don't believe that Judas did it willingly. I believe that it cut him to the quick and hence he took his own life afterward.

As I said, just MHO!
 Quoting: Ozicell


he knew JUDAH was about to do it.. not Judas.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


I've read what you have said about Judas v Judah - please reference your source that I can consider for myself. Thanks hf
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Judah the brother of Jesus? Jude Thaddeus? There were multiple Judes, James and Johns that were relatives and non-relatives in his circle. Iscariot acted as their treasurer.
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Judas did not do what claimed.. it was Judah Iharioth.. a different person with a similar name.
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NOPE. you get that from the phoenix journals. its similar because the phoenix journals are a deception, it is false, channeled, new-age trash just like the urantia book. The bible is clear in that it was Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus.
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 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL

that is correct. the truth was changed so as to make Judas enemy and he was never enemy.. You bible is not the word of God.

it is a collection of stories since the first book in the OT... many people did not comprehend and others screwed it up on purpose... the case of Judah vs Judas is but one example.

That Jesus was the only son of god is impossible as I have covered hugely here.

Many of you assume the God is the god of this planet who made an only son... this is not truth.

The Creation does not work as you have falsely told.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


You mean as you have falsely spewed here over and over. yes Jesus is the only begotten son. it is truth. It is your multiple sons of urantia which are fake and not real.
and yes the bible is the word of GOD. urantia is not.
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The following is purely MHO OP.

Jesus knew behand what Judas was about to do yet He still celebrated the Bread and Wine with him. If Judas was the betrayer that the church makes out, why wouldn't Jesus wait until he had left before celebrating Holy Communion with the disciples?

I believe that Judas was following Jesus' instructions as SOMEONE had to do the dirty work and I don't believe that Judas did it willingly. I believe that it cut him to the quick and hence he took his own life afterward.

As I said, just MHO!
 Quoting: Ozicell


no and more no..
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Judas was a disciple and knew who Jesus was. Jesus even gave him the chance to repent when he asked Judas, "do you betray me with a kiss?" Judas did experience remorse and tried to return the money but his despair and shame overcame him and he committed suicide.

Judas isn't in hell for betraying Jesus, because that betrayal was needed for the salvation of mankind to occur.

Judas is in hell for not believing in the forgiveness that Jesus taught, for not confessing his sin and seeking forgiveness (like Peter did). He committed the sin against the Holy Spirit, which is final despair.
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Judas did not do what claimed.. it was Judah Iharioth.. a different person with a similar name.
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NOPE. you get that from the phoenix journals. its similar because the phoenix journals are a deception, it is false, channeled, new-age trash just like the urantia book. The bible is clear in that it was Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus.
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Like Always your spot on ..Judas was called the worse word you could be called ....


"TRAITOR" in the KJV Bible
2 Instances...ONLY...



Luke 6:16
And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the Traitor..

That word was the Worst of the worst Word to use For one such person...

That judas will be in hell for Eternity..


the SECOND DEATH ....Gehenna
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Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
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The following is purely MHO OP.

Jesus knew behand what Judas was about to do yet He still celebrated the Bread and Wine with him. If Judas was the betrayer that the church makes out, why wouldn't Jesus wait until he had left before celebrating Holy Communion with the disciples?

I believe that Judas was following Jesus' instructions as SOMEONE had to do the dirty work and I don't believe that Judas did it willingly. I believe that it cut him to the quick and hence he took his own life afterward.

As I said, just MHO!
 Quoting: Ozicell


no and more no..
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Your response here is rather pointless as you still haven't provided a reference for your source!
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Judas saw what Jesus did Do ...And Yet Betrayed him for silver ...

THE SON OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD...

THAT JUDAS will Forever be GONE....NEVER TO RETURN EVER AGIAN ...

He was No baby ...HE KNEW WHAT HE DID ....FOR STUPID SILVER

WHAT A LOW LIFE ..THE LOWEST ...

No other man was worse Than he....
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In the Gospel of Judas, Jesus asks his friend who had a better understanding of the teachings than the others to turn him in in order to fulfill necessary act of defeating death on the cross. Judas was devastated by the request but did as he was asked. He was told he would rule over the last age before Christ returned. He did not commit suicide, he was murdered.

We're lucky to have the lost scrolls that have been found over the last 80 years to give a better insight than canonized scriptures that have been translated across several languages from original to English. Books that were purposely left out because they did not convey the fear and control narrative the rulers needed.
 Quoting: Esther Wright

I would not consider the Gospel of Judas as Scripture. Darrell Bock and Dan Wallace book "Dethroning Jesus" say studying the Gospel of Judas is like discovering a document about in discussing tactics with his officers only to find him mentioning nuclear submarines and b-52 bombers.

But then again Saint Augustine sums it up nicely:

Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn.
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NINE hells? Who comes up with this stuff.

There is ONE hell, it's at the end of the world, Revelation 20 tells all about it, the lake of fire on this earth. No hell now; it happens after the 6,000 years.
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I believe 9 Hells is in in reference to Dante's Inferno, 14th century Dante Alighieri, It's called "The Divine Comedy".
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I see everyone here except for one, believes the Devils War Book (the bible).

The Phoenix Journals are alive and well and no one has proven them to be false, except for the powers that be and we all know how wonderful they are!

It was Judah Iharioth who did the deed, not Judas.
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I see everyone here except for one, believes the Devils War Book (the bible).

The Phoenix Journals are alive and well and no one has proven them to be false, except for the powers that be and we all know how wonderful they are!

It was Judah Iharioth who did the deed, not Judas.
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Well I would not consider the Phoenix Journals as Scripture either. it is obvious to see that all of their religious beliefs are based on fictional characters and unconfirmed beliefs. They insist we take them at their word without providing any type of verification or evidence, while they attack the christian doctrine. Reciprocally corresponding to St. Augustine's Reserve, they do not see why anyone may find this offensive, fraudulent or a scam.

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I see everyone here except for one, believes the Devils War Book (the bible).

The Phoenix Journals are alive and well and no one has proven them to be false, except for the powers that be and we all know how wonderful they are!

It was Judah Iharioth who did the deed, not Judas.
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Urantia book also says it was Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus.
How can you prove the Phoenix Journals are true?
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I see everyone here except for one, believes the Devils War Book (the bible).

The Phoenix Journals are alive and well and no one has proven them to be false, except for the powers that be and we all know how wonderful they are!

It was Judah Iharioth who did the deed, not Judas.
 Quoting: bobinthebox


In communications received from Judas Iscariot over the period August 20th, 2001 to June 30th, 2003, he admits he did the deed, and says the account given in Matthew 26:6-16 is correct.

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Not a popular opinion but what if Judas had betrayed the Sanhedrin?





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