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Evolution vs Creationism: It doesn't HAVE to be one or the other, eh?

 
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There is no money in bringing them together as they should be. Evolution is contained within the Creation.

They tptb want us and all things divided not unified. That is corruption at work.
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Evolution never happened, I asked and prayed about it

I used to think it did, but all life forms are far to complex to allow for even slow changes such as what is purported to be evolution. Besides, there are bacteria and primitive life forms that haven't changed in millions of years.

Morover, everything was brought here at one time or another.
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It doesn’t have to be one or the other. But evolution just can’t be true. It violates the principle of sufficient reason. DNA is information. You can’t get information from nothingness. You can’t get more complex life form from less complex. Or at least you can’t get some particular trait unless the genetic information for that trait already existed.
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It's pretty obvious, over the long periods of time in thousands of years, that life forms do not appear to have evolved, but rather devolved. LIfe spans are shorter, people are capable of less than in the ancient past, anials are smaller, etc. The stone monuments in Egypt were made using something more capable than diamond bit cutters which wre at least 500 x faster than the best cutting tools today, etc. I think people had better make up their minds about Jesus sometime soon, because He said that in the final days before His appearing again, there would be great deceptions affecting mankind. It seems obvious that God did not see fit to inform mankind about everything in the universe. Why would He, since man's experience on earth was to have a proper relationship with their Creator?
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Why does there always have to be an argument about the validity of one or the other?....I mean, I've witnessed some arguments about these two theories wherein people were ready to throw down, they're so invested in their belief.

What if I were to tell youse guyses that our history is based both in Creationism and, since Humanity's falling, we have been rising up through evolution ever since?

In a nutshell--


We were created perfect in form. We had 12 strands of DNA firing.

Humanity fell from grace. We now have only two strands of DNA firing.

Evolution describes our rise in consciousness, not our beginning.


You see, there's not a single reason to argue about the two. They are both valid....well, as valid as valid can be in an illusion.


I'm wondering this morning if science dogma types and religious dogma types - the extremes - can read the above and perhaps consider the cessation of arguing about something as inane as this being simply one or the other. Nothing is simple here. Not a single thing. Even boiling water demands some level of skill.


I can imagine a world of people wherein we're not fighting tooth and nail about evolution and creationism....my goodness, it looks far more unified!


I'm only asking you to think about it....hf
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Because in simple terms, they are the opposite...one is false one is true...cannot compare, or cherry pick to make a desired outcome...apples and oranges..
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I have one simple question that will make realize that evolutionist are wrong. When has an explosion [big bang] ever formed into something?
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Interestingly, before the Big Band theory was proposed the scientific community believed the world always existed. It was a Catholic priest who came up with the Big Bang theory. Atheists rejected it because they thought it was religion smuggled in as science. If the Big Bang were true it would disprove atheism.

Since that time atheists as a group have become less honest and intelligent. They act like the Big Bang makes sense scientifically. It doesn’t. Not at all. Stuff doesn’t come into being from nothingness. The atheists try to redefine nothingness or invent ridiculous theories to get around the accepted fact that time and matter began at a specific point in the past.
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Sorry - my ancestors were NOT apes etc...

If you want to identify as a son or daughter of them...

...have at it.

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"Evolution is really slow until it's not"

Great theory guys, did you stay up all night sciencing to come up with that one.
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Nope the universe was created in a week 10,000 years ago. Many believe this even though there is no evidence whatsoever for this idea, and a there is mega ton of evidence for evolution and the ‘big bang’.
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We've been along far longer than 10,000 years but while we are at it, please explain what happened 1 second before the "Big Bang" and why aren't the chimps in my local zoo evolving into humans?
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They are not stupid enough to.
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In game theory, they can prove micro evolution as a survival mechanism, but has nothing to do with objective reality...

They had to create the game before it could be played...

Therefore creation must come before evolution, and both are required for each to exist...
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Finally! I've tried to explaining that on Reddit to no avail for like hours, they couldn't understand that while evolution could be random, the parameters by which evolution takes place still exist or as you say it

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In game theory, they can prove micro evolution as a survival mechanism, but has nothing to do with objective reality...

They had to create the game before it could be played...

Therefore creation must come before evolution, and both are required for each to exist...
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Perfectly said.


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Why does there always have to be an argument about the validity of one or the other?....I mean, I've witnessed some arguments about these two theories wherein people were ready to throw down, they're so invested in their belief.

What if I were to tell youse guyses that our history is based both in Creationism and, since Humanity's falling, we have been rising up through evolution ever since?

In a nutshell--


We were created perfect in form. We had 12 strands of DNA firing.

Humanity fell from grace. We now have only two strands of DNA firing.

Evolution describes our rise in consciousness, not our beginning.


You see, there's not a single reason to argue about the two. They are both valid....well, as valid as valid can be in an illusion.


I'm wondering this morning if science dogma types and religious dogma types - the extremes - can read the above and perhaps consider the cessation of arguing about something as inane as this being simply one or the other. Nothing is simple here. Not a single thing. Even boiling water demands some level of skill.


I can imagine a world of people wherein we're not fighting tooth and nail about evolution and creationism....my goodness, it looks far more unified!


I'm only asking you to think about it....hf
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


I agree. For anything to evolve it first as to be.
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I am the Antichrist condemning you to death.
My name is Alubel Navzion. There will be no reboot. On this planet, the Apocalypse is in full
swing. Have you watched the movie the day after tomorrow? So that's it. Both the US and Britain
and Western Europe will freeze. I am the reincarnation of Ahriman. I let the Demons into this
planet. These Demons are very hungry and angry. Therefore, there will be no salvation for you. The
star of Nemesis is near. Therefore, Asteroids will fall to the ground. My Demons control the
trajectories of the asteroids. Therefore, your government cannot hide in a bunker. My Demons will
shoot down your planes and sink your ships. For I am God, and there is no God but Me. And the
aliens won't help you. The Great Ancient Sleeper awakens. And it is impossible to stop the
awakening. You know, you are like ants. Who are building their own anthill. But they do not see
how water flows on them that will wash them away. And aliens are like ants too. They think that
technology will help them. How naive they are. I saw in a dream. Like a huge asteroid, it falls near
the United States. And causes a huge tsunami. I saw huge tsunamis hitting Western Europe and
Britain. And how they cover Africa. I saw how Israel goes under the water. This is my world. And
he obeys my wishes. I will not share my power with anyone. All states will be destroyed. No
amount of money and gold will help you. For the time has come to pay for your sins.
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I am the Antichrist condemning you to death.
My name is Alubel Navzion. There will be no reboot. On this planet, the Apocalypse is in full
swing. Have you watched the movie the day after tomorrow? So that's it. Both the US and Britain
and Western Europe will freeze. I am the reincarnation of Ahriman. I let the Demons into this
planet. These Demons are very hungry and angry. Therefore, there will be no salvation for you. The
star of Nemesis is near. Therefore, Asteroids will fall to the ground. My Demons control the
trajectories of the asteroids. Therefore, your government cannot hide in a bunker. My Demons will
shoot down your planes and sink your ships. For I am God, and there is no God but Me. And the
aliens won't help you. The Great Ancient Sleeper awakens. And it is impossible to stop the
awakening. You know, you are like ants. Who are building their own anthill. But they do not see
how water flows on them that will wash them away. And aliens are like ants too. They think that
technology will help them. How naive they are. I saw in a dream. Like a huge asteroid, it falls near
the United States. And causes a huge tsunami. I saw huge tsunamis hitting Western Europe and
Britain. And how they cover Africa. I saw how Israel goes under the water. This is my world. And
he obeys my wishes. I will not share my power with anyone. All states will be destroyed. No
amount of money and gold will help you. For the time has come to pay for your sins.
On Judgement Day, Hell shall inherit the Earth.
 Quoting: Asurs



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Re: Evolution vs Creationism: It doesn't HAVE to be one or the other, eh?
Evolution requires death.
Scripture states that death was brought to the equation by Adam.
Creation fell and death was "born" into our universe at that time.
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Re: Evolution vs Creationism: It doesn't HAVE to be one or the other, eh?
Trying to explain Life without God is like trying to explain Cars without humans

It does have to be one or the other,
Creation is a Fact, backed up by ALL the REAL Evidence
VS
Evolution is a Theory, backed up by Lies, Falsehoods and
conjecture based on non-provable things.

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Evolution requires death.
Scripture states that death was brought to the equation by Adam.
Creation fell and death was "born" into our universe at that time.
 Quoting: The Berean


Life requires death or we would be born round...God made the rules, not Adam...
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They got you debating anything-- but the Economy
Fight each other over Religion--the Environment--over Politics--Social Mores--just never mention the Banksters or Military Mafia who are in control of everything
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In this universe at least, we must deal with entropy...Any mechanical, biomechanical, electromechanical, multifunctioning system such as life, cannot be sustained forever...If you want to change the facts, you must change the physics...
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They got you debating anything-- but the Economy
Fight each other over Religion--the Environment--over Politics--Social Mores--just never mention the Banksters or Military Mafia who are in control of everything
 Quoting: VivianTzamis


What's interesting is that nothing is preventing you from joining the side of power and money...They do not discriminate, and they even bend down to give you a hand if you are willing to accept it...
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Evolution requires death.
Scripture states that death was brought to the equation by Adam.
Creation fell and death was "born" into our universe at that time.
 Quoting: The Berean


Life requires death or we would be born round...God made the rules, not Adam...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Adam broke God's rules and entropy entered the universe at that time. Rom.5.12
Before then, creation was perfect. God didn't create death.
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Why does there always have to be an argument about the validity of one or the other?....I mean, I've witnessed some arguments about these two theories wherein people were ready to throw down, they're so invested in their belief.

What if I were to tell youse guyses that our history is based both in Creationism and, since Humanity's falling, we have been rising up through evolution ever since?

In a nutshell--


We were created perfect in form. We had 12 strands of DNA firing.

Humanity fell from grace. We now have only two strands of DNA firing.

Evolution describes our rise in consciousness, not our beginning.


You see, there's not a single reason to argue about the two. They are both valid....well, as valid as valid can be in an illusion.


I'm wondering this morning if science dogma types and religious dogma types - the extremes - can read the above and perhaps consider the cessation of arguing about something as inane as this being simply one or the other. Nothing is simple here. Not a single thing. Even boiling water demands some level of skill.


I can imagine a world of people wherein we're not fighting tooth and nail about evolution and creationism....my goodness, it looks far more unified!


I'm only asking you to think about it....hf
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


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Evolution requires death.
Scripture states that death was brought to the equation by Adam.
Creation fell and death was "born" into our universe at that time.
 Quoting: The Berean


Life requires death or we would be born round...God made the rules, not Adam...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Adam broke God's rules and entropy entered the universe at that time. Rom.5.12
Before then, creation was perfect. God didn't create death.
God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good
 Quoting: The Berean


God never intended man to live forever, it defeats the purpose...
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Imagine the infinite number of realities God must surely have created...This cannot be the only one...
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Science justifies religion and vice versa. The key thing people overlook is time and the fact that time is relative to each person and organism.

God experiences time all at once so the things he does can be termed as instant. We experience time in a linear fashion so there's a process that plays out. That's the easiest way to think about it.

In reality it's more complex than that but it's a good way to get the point across. I'll give you a clue though. There's a reason space is measured in light years.
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I personally have the idea of 'adaptation'. Creatures adapt to their environment and situations. The notion creatures randomly mutate and that just happens to suit their environmental challenges is ludicrous.

This works for animals and plants just as much as humans.

Adaption.


 Quoting: Chaosisfreedom


You might agree with this:

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We sure did adapt well to the enemies tactics in iraq eh

We were encouraged to be as indifferent to human life

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Why does there always have to be an argument about the validity of one or the other?....I mean, I've witnessed some arguments about these two theories wherein people were ready to throw down, they're so invested in their belief.

What if I were to tell youse guyses that our history is based both in Creationism and, since Humanity's falling, we have been rising up through evolution ever since?

In a nutshell--


We were created perfect in form. We had 12 strands of DNA firing.

Humanity fell from grace. We now have only two strands of DNA firing.

Evolution describes our rise in consciousness, not our beginning.


You see, there's not a single reason to argue about the two. They are both valid....well, as valid as valid can be in an illusion.


I'm wondering this morning if science dogma types and religious dogma types - the extremes - can read the above and perhaps consider the cessation of arguing about something as inane as this being simply one or the other. Nothing is simple here. Not a single thing. Even boiling water demands some level of skill.


I can imagine a world of people wherein we're not fighting tooth and nail about evolution and creationism....my goodness, it looks far more unified!


I'm only asking you to think about it....hf
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


First Bible verse.... God created the heavens and the earth....

Evolution questions the time... Bible is clear about the time. So you cannot have both.
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Why does there always have to be an argument about the validity of one or the other?....I mean, I've witnessed some arguments about these two theories wherein people were ready to throw down, they're so invested in their belief.

What if I were to tell youse guyses that our history is based both in Creationism and, since Humanity's falling, we have been rising up through evolution ever since?

In a nutshell--


We were created perfect in form. We had 12 strands of DNA firing.

Humanity fell from grace. We now have only two strands of DNA firing.

Evolution describes our rise in consciousness, not our beginning.


You see, there's not a single reason to argue about the two. They are both valid....well, as valid as valid can be in an illusion.


I'm wondering this morning if science dogma types and religious dogma types - the extremes - can read the above and perhaps consider the cessation of arguing about something as inane as this being simply one or the other. Nothing is simple here. Not a single thing. Even boiling water demands some level of skill.


I can imagine a world of people wherein we're not fighting tooth and nail about evolution and creationism....my goodness, it looks far more unified!


I'm only asking you to think about it....hf
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


fivestars topic and thread CosmicGypsy!!! thanks for posting it!!!

I am an engineering professional with a good part of biological sciences educational background due to my work in agricultural systems. I have never been particularly religious, more the contrary, I dread any religions because they stifle rational thought. That said, I was always innately reluctant to the idea that life was created by mere chance, and that at one point through a series of impossible accidents it just came to be. For me that is the same as dogmatic religious bullshit.

I honestly think that nature’s laws have life embedded in it, it is inevitable for it to arise because nature itself was designed to produce life. And once life is unleashed, it evolves and changes, ebbing and flowing as required to survive. Also this is a cosmic phenomena, it happens all the time and everywhere in the universe, it travels the space in meteorites and comets, cross pollinating and also creating challenges for itself to overcome, or not. Because life is also dangerous to itself sometimes. So I don’t think that life was created, but that the entire creation was designed to produce life inevitably. We see the signatures of the creator in the underlying maths and geometry of life itself and nature (Phi, phi, pi) and then we can understand that the Creator spawned creation to be the cradle of an inevitable life force that would then be ever expanding, ever evolving and ever experiencing.

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